ICE deports stepfather of paraplegic boy. `We cannot do anything else.'

After more than three months of legal calisthenics, a former Springdale man was deported Tuesday to his native Dominican Republic.

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A couple of points here.

1) The blame can be laid on the man who was deported after being convicted of driving without a license. It's all on him. He broke the law, and now pays the price.

2) Having said that, we the taxpayers will now be paying for the mother and paraplegic child. Not too smart. This is America, and we are not going to just let them die.

3) Finally, laying this on Trump would be unfair to Trump. Mass deportations started with Obama, who was called the Deporter in Chief when he was in office. However, putting the blame on either Trump or Obama is beside the point. If we are going to rigorously enforce immigration laws, and not look at deportations on a case by case basis, then we need to be prepared to pick up the tab and financially support those left behind after the breadwinner in a family is deported.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ic-boy-we-can-not-do-anything-else/375492002/

danarhea said:

A couple of points here.

1) The blame can be laid on the man who was deported after being convicted of driving without a license. It's all on him. He broke the law, and now pays the price.

2) Having said that, we the taxpayers will now be paying for the mother and paraplegic child. Not too smart. This is America, and we are not going to just let them die.

3) Finally, laying this on Trump would be unfair to Trump. Mass deportations started with Obama, who was called the Deporter in Chief when he was in office. However, putting the blame on either Trump or Obama is beside the point. If we are going to rigorously enforce immigration laws, and not look at deportations on a case by case basis, then we need to be prepared to pick up the tab and financially support those left behind after the breadwinner in a family is deported.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ic-boy-we-can-not-do-anything-else/375492002/

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again how is it our fault that he was deported?
he was here illegally,
he failed to get citizenship.

his family has no one to blame but themselves.
it use to be in america that people to responsibility for their actions.

now it is always someone else's fault that people are in the position they are in.

screw that. he put his family there. he is the one that chose to do that knowing the possible risk.
i accept no blame or responsibility.

i feel bad for his family i really do, but actions have consequences.

ludin said:

again how is it our fault that he was deported?
he was here illegally,
he failed to get citizenship.

his family has no one to blame but themselves.
it use to be in america that people to responsibility for their actions.

now it is always someone else's fault that people are in the position they are in.

screw that. he put his family there. he is the one that chose to do that knowing the possible risk.
i accept no blame or responsibility.

i feel bad for his family i really do, but actions have consequences.

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I didn't even say that. Read my point number one. It's all on him. However, the "one size fits all" method of deportation costs us, the taxpayers, as we then have to support the family left behind, who cannot be deported, since they are either here legally, or are citizens. In this case, we deported the breadwinner, and now must support the child, as well as the mother, who is unable to work due to her having to stay home and care for the child. This is not smart at all. And yes, the blame for being stupid here is mostly on Obama.

Is the wife/mother a citizen?

I'm assuming she is. But yea, I don't see the issue in providing social services to paraplegics. These are among the few cases where social services actually have a purpose.

These few cases are NOT the reason why our social service spending is crazy...

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Is the wife/mother a citizen?

I'm assuming she is. But yea, I don't see the issue in providing social services to paraplegics. These are among the few cases where social services actually have a purpose.

These few cases are NOT the reason why our social service spending is crazy...

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The mother is not a citizen, but is here legally. The child is a citizen.

danarhea said:

A couple of points here.

1) The blame can be laid on the man who was deported after being convicted of driving without a license. It's all on him. He broke the law, and now pays the price.

2) Having said that, we the taxpayers will now be paying for the mother and paraplegic child. Not too smart. This is America, and we are not going to just let them die.

3) Finally, laying this on Trump would be unfair to Trump. Mass deportations started with Obama, who was called the Deporter in Chief when he was in office. However, putting the blame on either Trump or Obama is beside the point. If we are going to rigorously enforce immigration laws, and not look at deportations on a case by case basis, then we need to be prepared to pick up the tab and financially support those left behind after the breadwinner in a family is deported.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ic-boy-we-can-not-do-anything-else/375492002/

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It makes no sense to keep folks that, besides entering or remaining in the US illegally, commit other crimes in the country simply because they are "breadwinners". The cost to taxpayers involved in caring for a disabled US citizen does not trump (pun intended) having a "breadwinner" that sees US laws as mere suggestions that should be ignored/excused if deemed too inconvenient.

The problem here is "anchor babies" being used to convey special status to their illegal immigrant parents or guardians - not the logical and legal deportation of any and all foreign nationals (and their minor dependent children) who enter or remain in the country illegally and, on top of that, elect to commit additional criminal acts.

It costs the taxpayers more to lock up criminals who are "breadwinners", leaving their dependents on the dole, but that is no reason to turn them loose or to give them shorter sentences.

Well, I have some thoughts on how we can prevent this type of situation in the future. At this point, don't really care whose fault it is, everyone is complicit because we've allowed certain flaws in our immigration laws to go on.

We need to redistribute the funding for Immigration, enforcement gets to big a piece of the pie, while the courts are severely limited by budget deficiencies. We need to hire more Immigration Judges to lighten the load and deal with the backlog. Also need to open up more Immigration courts. We need every court to have in house translators for the most common languages like spanish, french, hindi.

The laws themselves, need a thorough review, as some of them have been on the books since our more racist politicians of the operation wetback era have left office. And are extremely unfair. This guy should have been able to apply for perm residency as a common law spouse, and had his overstay overlooked because of extenuating circumstances. The costs associated with medical care would have made it near impossible for him to afford the application fees. I could barely afford them for my wife, and I had a better job than mechanic.

The lottery system is a joke, each applicant should have a chance. And a special category should be created for those children born to the many many Natural born Americans deported to mexico under previous initiatives such as operation wetback. By right there are millions of Mexicans today, that could be legally considered American citizens.

We need to offer a one time forgiveness program for illegal immigrants currently here on a permanent basis, the seasonals really don't have any interest in living here permanently. And provide a simple and accessible application process. We need to do this, because it would be cheaper than sending in jackbooted thugs to evict them from the country. And I for one am not so much of a dick that I blame them for wanting to live in the US, illegally or not. Nor do I want to punish them for not being able to navigate a system specifically designed to make it hard for them. And yes it was designed by racists seeking to create an underclass in America and utilize the cheap labor.

And we need to do a .gov website with a user friendly interface designed for non native english speakers, and non lawyers to navigate. Which would be very helpful for the seasonal migrants that come up here for Ag jobs, which they could completely do legally now if they had any education on the process. But normally don't fool with out of fear of rejection.

And everyone should remember, if our current immigration system was in place back in the day, your ancestors would likely have come here illegally.Or Sent back to starve during the potato famine, or get shot by Nazis.

And if you want to lessen the amount of immigrants altogether, end the war on drugs, decriminalize every drug, and offer the hard stuff through hospitals. The Cartels would die out, and these people wouldn't be to scared to live and work in their own communities. Their economies wouldn't be hamstrung. And we could invest in their infrastructure and turn a tidy profit to boot.

danarhea said:

A couple of points here.

1) The blame can be laid on the man who was deported after being convicted of driving without a license. It's all on him. He broke the law, and now pays the price.

2) Having said that, we the taxpayers will now be paying for the mother and paraplegic child. Not too smart. This is America, and we are not going to just let them die.

3) Finally, laying this on Trump would be unfair to Trump. Mass deportations started with Obama, who was called the Deporter in Chief when he was in office. However, putting the blame on either Trump or Obama is beside the point. If we are going to rigorously enforce immigration laws, and not look at deportations on a case by case basis, then we need to be prepared to pick up the tab and financially support those left behind after the breadwinner in a family is deported.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ic-boy-we-can-not-do-anything-else/375492002/

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Here illegally, and then broke the law.

Not sure ANY immigration policy--past, current, or future would save him from deportation.

danarhea said:

I didn't even say that. Read my point number one. It's all on him. However, the "one size fits all" method of deportation costs us, the taxpayers, as we then have to support the family left behind, who cannot be deported, since they are either here legally, or are citizens. In this case, we deported the breadwinner, and now must support the child, as well as the mother, who is unable to work due to her having to stay home and care for the child. This is not smart at all. And yes, the blame for being stupid here is mostly on Obama.

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Of course you’d could make this very same argument about a citizen who has kids sentenced to prison and how OMG terrible we are to put the “bread winner” in prison.

X Factor said:

Of course you’d could make this very same argument about a citizen who has kids sentenced to prison and how OMG terrible we are to put the “bread winner” in prison.

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Nope, not at all. He already dealt with the legal system and paid his penalty, so we are talking about whether or not he is deported, not a fallacy where apples are compared to oranges. It's not even close to the same argument.

danarhea said:

A couple of points here.

1) The blame can be laid on the man who was deported after being convicted of driving without a license. It's all on him. He broke the law, and now pays the price.

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And he was here illegally.

2) Having said that, we the taxpayers will now be paying for the mother and paraplegic child. Not too smart. This is America, and we are not going to just let them die.

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No we aren't. But we can't stop enforcing laws because the family of the law breaker will be harmed...can we? What kind of Pandora's box would that open?

3) Finally, laying this on Trump would be unfair to Trump. Mass deportations started with Obama, who was called the Deporter in Chief when he was in office. However, putting the blame on either Trump or Obama is beside the point. If we are going to rigorously enforce immigration laws, and not look at deportations on a case by case basis, then we need to be prepared to pick up the tab and financially support those left behind after the breadwinner in a family is deported.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ic-boy-we-can-not-do-anything-else/375492002/

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Let's be fair about Obama. A lot of his "deportations" were turn backs. They didn't use to count near border interceptions and returns deportations. Now they do.

danarhea said:

I didn't even say that. Read my point number one. It's all on him. However, the "one size fits all" method of deportation costs us, the taxpayers, as we then have to support the family left behind, who cannot be deported, since they are either here legally, or are citizens. In this case, we deported the breadwinner, and now must support the child, as well as the mother, who is unable to work due to her having to stay home and care for the child. This is not smart at all. And yes, the blame for being stupid here is mostly on Obama.

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the bread winner was a paraplegic.
unless he was running an business out of his house or something
i doubt he was not already living on disability.

we were already paying for him.
no it is on him for not coming here legally.

ludin said:

the bread winner was a paraplegic.
unless he was running an business out of his house or something
i doubt he was not already living on disability.

we were already paying for him.
no it is on him for not coming here legally.

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No. Read the article again, this time, take your time. The breadwinner was not paraplegic. The child is.

BTW, don't feel bad about reading the article way to fast and getting it wrong. Happens to me all the time. LOL.