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GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage [W:596, 1059]

Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

Nickyjo said:
What does what a group on college, our laboratory for assorted silliness, have to do with calling a cop is someone who is breaking up the place? When I got robbed I called a cop. He didnt say that doing so was a cop-out.

Sorry you feel mistreated by the law. It can happen. But anyone avail themselves of it.
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If your going to run from the debate, at least do it with some dignity intact.

If you don't care, then say you don't care. You've already proven that you are perfectly fine with discrimination. So long as the majority are okay with that person being discriminated against.

Let me remind, that at one point in history. The majority believed that the earth was flat and either the sun revolved around it, or that it was a point of light in the air that could fall to the ground.

If your stance is "only a few people matter" and not all of then. Then there is a deeper issue here.
 
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Oborosen said:
If your going to run from the debate, at least do it with some dignity intact.

If you don't care, then say you don't care. You've already proven that you are perfectly fine with discrimination. So long as the majority are okay with that person being discriminated against.

Let me remind, that at one point in history. The majority believed that the earth was flat and either the sun revolved around it, or that it was a point of light in the air that could fall to the ground.

If your stance is "only a few people matter" and not all of then. Then there is a deeper issue here.
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To respond to your last couple of posts, I investigated cases of white people being discriminated against, and for good measure, of males being discriminated against. We felt kinky doing so, :) but the law we enforced is neutral on its face. Whites and blacks can all call the cops. I was an unarmed, cop/investigator, if you will.

You and I are going around in the same circle. The laws wont change, white people dont want them to, black people dont want them to, nor do females of either race. Marx believed that the state would wither at the end of communism; you seem to have the same Utopian belief. I am content with traffic lights, speed limits and laws that prevent the butcher from selling me spoiled meat, and prevent me from busting up his place if he tries to. Same difference as the case that started this string.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

Get back to me in 2081. Probably a nice satire, but the musical Lil Abner included the same satirical message in the 1950s.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

Oborosen said:
The moment you start making little exceptions to the rule. You risk hurting far more than helping.

You really believe in this climate we are in, a customer can't get their way against an owner. Even if they acted like an ass beforehand. Because even going by statistical probability, it can, will, and most likely happened before. To believe otherwise, would be to ignore how the world actually operates.

When saying that two people can discriminate against one another, but only one will ever be punished is in itself a mockery of personal freedom. No physical blood is being spilt, no property is being stolen. The only crime being committed is the breaking of an old, out of date law. That arguably protects its own privileged group.

I have to see a televised case of a white person, sue for discrimination against their race. Even though I have seen it happen myself and it has happened to me as well. Despite the fact that I am a mixed race individual and I believe the person was just being ignorant as well as racist.

Its an atmosphere like this, that allows colleges, actual places of learning. To promote and run their own "no whites allowed day". Had that been my college, I would've been appalled to have even stepped a foot into their front door.

Try having a college run a "no blacks allowed day" and see how far they get.
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Almost all rules (if not all) have little exceptions. There is a difference in power between those offering a service/product, and those who want/need that service/product. It is part of the nature of the relationship.
 
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Nickyjo said:
To respond to your last couple of posts, I investigated cases of white people being discriminated against, and for good measure, of males being discriminated against. We felt kinky doing so, :) but the law we enforced is neutral on its face. Whites and blacks can all call the cops. I was an unarmed, cop/investigator, if you will.

You and I are going around in the same circle. The laws wont change, white people dont want them to, black people dont want them to, nor do females of either race. Marx believed that the state would wither at the end of communism; you seem to have the same Utopian belief. I am content with traffic lights, speed limits and laws that prevent the butcher from selling me spoiled meat, and prevent me from busting up his place if he tries to. Same difference as the case that started this string.
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Laws have been changing for a long time now, or have you just kept your eyes shut this entire time?
 
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roguenuke said:
Almost all rules (if not all) have little exceptions. There is a difference in power between those offering a service/product, and those who want/need that service/product. It is part of the nature of the relationship.
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Do those little exceptions usually hurt, or help?

This doesn't rule out the fact that some of these laws will eventually change, or disappear. Possibly creating worse problems as we go along.

For all intensive purposes, this law only serves to protect and benefit one person. Giving them an option that automatically makes them far more powerful than any store they walk into.

Does that sound like equality to you?
 
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Oborosen said:
Do those little exceptions usually hurt, or help?

This doesn't rule out the fact that some of these laws will eventually change, or disappear. Possibly creating worse problems as we go along.

For all intensive purposes, this law only serves to protect and benefit one person. Giving them an option that automatically makes them far more powerful than any store they walk into.

Does that sound like equality to you?
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Most of those little exceptions help someone. But it is still subjective. If someone shoots and kills a person in self defense, that is an exception to laws that restrict people from killing other people. There are either further exceptions in there pertaining to these, such as where and how a person may kill someone else in self defense and the circumstances involved there (to a point). Not all are written out.

You are the one harping on equality as if it has to be exact and even can be measured. Equality, especially in commerce, is only able to be subjectively compared. There is no measurement of equality. It is most equal, in my opinion as well as the apparent opinion of many others, to restrict business owners/service providers from refusing to serve people, perform transactions with people based on certain factors such as race, religion, sex, etc. The law benefits many people. If it didn't exist, fewer people would be benefited by the lack of these laws than those benefited by their being in place.
 
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roguenuke said:
Most of those little exceptions help someone. But it is still subjective. If someone shoots and kills a person in self defense, that is an exception to laws that restrict people from killing other people. There are either further exceptions in there pertaining to these, such as where and how a person may kill someone else in self defense and the circumstances involved there (to a point). Not all are written out.

You are the one harping on equality as if it has to be exact and even can be measured. Equality, especially in commerce, is only able to be subjectively compared. There is no measurement of equality. It is most equal, in my opinion as well as the apparent opinion of many others, to restrict business owners/service providers from refusing to serve people, perform transactions with people based on certain factors such as race, religion, sex, etc. The law benefits many people. If it didn't exist, fewer people would be benefited by the lack of these laws than those benefited by their being in place.
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So you are completely fine with inequality, so long as it suits a privileged group?
 
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Oborosen said:
The government does not have the right to make you violate your own conscious. Nor can they punish you for when they fail to do so.
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Good thing my government doesn't do that. Good lord, just like I said the dishonest claims behind this stuff are halarious and very transparent.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Good thing my government doesn't do that. Good lord, just like I said the dishonest claims behind this stuff are halarious and very transparent.
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So you don't live in the US then?
 
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