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GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage [W:596, 1059]

Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

Would that mean that I would be able to worship Teotl in the traditional manner again and without fear of religious discrimination?

Oh, they don't want to practice Christianity strictly according to the Bible. They just don't like gay people.
 
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So you'd be A-OK with forcing pastors not to speak against the sin of homosexuality
Bull crap, no one said anything even remotely similar.

like they do in Canada?
Ignorant lie.

There is a war against the Church in America.
More ignorant lying.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

And as I've been asserting all along, now that the rabid Homosexuals got their wish, how long before the kiddie diddlers get their "rights" codified into law?
As long as the raid bigots get defeated there is nothing to worry about. Feeling the pinch?
 
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False dichotomy. One cannot change race, one however, CAN change sexual behavior. All the "born this way" crap is just that!
At least the total ignorance is constant in your posts.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

To the "bakers" it may mean they can't be bullied. That is more than a bone to the small Mom and Pop stores. Small in the overall scheme of things, and I agree with the rest of your assessment.

So if my "sincerely held religious beliefs" have me opposed to black-white or Jew-Christian marriage, I am free to discriminate? Ans: you open a store, advertise, get a license, protection from the police, etc., you serve everyone. Those who don't are the bullies, not the customers.
 
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Sorry, its a majority rules country and forcing the majority of our people to go against their well founded moral beliefs, to condone, to encourage that which, and since the beginning of recorded history, has been shown as unsustainable, immoral and never to be promoted. When rights are in conflict, you inflict the least damage long term to society. It is our duty to our posterity.

Here's some education for you.

"Based on polling in 2017, a majority of Americans (62%) support same-sex marriage, while 32% oppose it."

Weird. It's almost the president's (dis)approval rating.

Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage | Pew Research Center

"64% of Americans say same-sex marriage should be legal
For the first time, majority of Protestants support gay marriage
Support for same-sex relations has also climbed, now at 72%"

U.S. Support for Gay Marriage Edges to New High

"Sixty percent of those polled say they support same-sex marriage, which is up from 59 percent in 2015 and 53 percent in 2013."

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...icans-support-gay-marriage-poll-finds-n799376

My point is that you very well know there is no law against what the GOP is making law...

Law? No, it's called the Constitution. Read the 14A.

I left out the word your "side's" gems. So you, like I, totally disavow the idea?

This is what you're talking about, which I didn't even write?

"This not good, people. Once we allow religion to circumvent law, we're going down a very bad road indeed."

There is no necessity of hate...besides which people are free in our country. Freedom from only the government imposing what can be thought, we are free to think...or not, hate or love, flatter or offend... its freedom man, you cannot impose your will upon the rest of us. And the majority rules, brother... should be used to it by now, this isnt a dictatorship.

I havent a clue as to where you get this weird idea, nobody is stopping ANYBODY from loving another, its impossible ( we are free, see above). We dont have mental slavery (yet), but that is a derivative of what you are attempting. You may love someone, but you will never be able to impose that, and all that is ancillary to that, on other free citizens.

To hell with that.

Then stop trying to impose discrimination on an innocent class of people.

I, too, have degrees in both history and political science, taught US History, World, European Advanced Placement and American Government over 17 years. If you happened into one of our numerous class discussions, I would just let the students give you a proper Civics lesson... seeing as all your learning seems to have gone for naught.

Yet you don't understand the Constitution. Perfect.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

You are a skier too? Ever try heli-skiing?

If I were I'd be sad this year. New Mexico got so little snow and I live about an hour and a half away from at least 4 ski resorts. The closest being 18 miles. But I can count on my hands how many times I've actually skied.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

News flash from several years ago and every day since then: A majority of Americans don't want gay people's rights to be abridged.



Oh, I see. So "your" country was lovely and functional for 239 years until the duly appointed and highest court in the land interpretated the foundational document of the country's government to allow two adult consenting citizens to participate in a civil benefit allowed to every other pair of adult consenting citizens in the country. That's where we went wrong.



Yes, in the three years since Obergefell, the US has really gone down the tubes. Or was that the year and a half since the last presidential election? I'll get back to you.
Yeah, right.

Several applicable arguments can be made to that rather simplistic approach.

One, I believe in your polls about as much as I did when Hillary was elected by those polls. She wasnt, just in case you didnt notice. Besides, We, the American people, We are a tolerant lot...and we make missteps, but we finally eventuallyget it right.

Sometimes we get fooled by those who havent the least care as to the long term health of our society...the selfish and greedy the I want it and I want it now mavens. We had way too much of that for the last 8 years. The me me me, the I, I, I...Pushed too fast and too hard to your own detriment. I warned of this on site. People laughed when I told them there was a revolt simmering under the surface.

Three, We, the American people, have risen up all over the country to get elected to the overwhelming majority of state and national elected positions...over 30 governors, the majority of states where we have both houses. In 23 states we have the trifecta, governorship, House and Senate like we have at the national level with President and both congressional bodies under our control. Elections have consequences. And by the end of summer we will probaly have a lock on the Supreme Court for the forseeable future as well.

Yeeeeeehaaaaaa.

Next, there is little more certain in life than change. Examples, the Dred Scotf decision, Plessy v Ferguson reversed by Brown v Board, 18th Amendment passed then repealed by the 21st. The American public swings back and forth, so very little is settled for all time.

The Supreme Court case of Obergefell simply overstepped. It is not within the federal government's jurisdiction, much less the Supreme Court, to make such law that is reserved to the ststes. They can overturn or nullify, but not write/establish law for the entire nation. Besides, marriage is not an enumerated power of the federal government and is rightfully to be left up to the states.

And, as history proves, stated earlier, SC decisions, even amendments, get reversed. And you are mightily wrong about what the government allows, i.e., "two adult consenting citizens to participate in a civil benefit allowed to every other pair of adult consenting citizens in the country." Patently false. I, for instance, cannot marry either my adult sister nor my adult brother, could not, if either were still living, marry my adult parents or any of my adult childen...or marry another consenting adult already married. Its just cognitive flatulence to think otherwise.

We can and do restrict marriage by consenting adults in many instances.

Yes, "three years" of strife and division...probably would have been a bit more settled for a bit but your buddies had to push too hard and we, generally tolerant, Americans got fed up. Now in power, we are fighting back. You cant truly complain, you won a short term victory against our posterity. We shall overcome, we shall wrest it back from y'all's sweaty palms, rest assured.

Such a short time in the scheme of things is nothing, but savor it...it might leave just as fast.
 
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Wrong.

A law upholding our first amendment freedoms. It is an inalienable right, brother. See US Constitution, look under AMENDMENT 1.

Wrong. Read a little bit farther.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
 
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If I were I'd be sad this year. New Mexico got so little snow and I live about an hour and a half away from at least 4 ski resorts. The closest being 18 miles. But I can count on my hands how many times I've actually skied.
Shame, powder is great.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

Would that mean that I would be able to worship Teotl in the traditional manner again and without fear of religious discrimination?

Is it against the teachings of a Teoltite to have same sex marriage? I would suspect in that aspect, most certainly. If it goes against nature AND Teotlism, have at it. I mean good, god...or in your case, good Teotl.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

Seems like the proposed law is not in the spirit of equal protection, since it favors one group while targeting another.

Even if the law passes, SCOTUS would eviscerate it.
 
Re: GOP senators reintroduce bill to protect opponents of same-sex marriage

Yeah, right.

Several applicable arguments can be made to that rather simplistic approach.

One, I believe in your polls about as much as I did when Hillary was elected by those polls. She wasnt, just in case you didnt notice. Besides, We, the American people, We are a tolerant lot...and we make missteps, but we finally eventuallyget it right.

Oh, the polls are fake. Yeah, I've heard that before. Do you know people? Do you ask them how they feel about marriage equality? What do they say? In what capacity and from where do you know them? Are you suggesting to me that a majority of the people you know don't want gay people to get married and buy cakes and buy resort vacations and fill up their gas tanks? Honestly, I only know a few anti-gay bigots. They're all Catholic relatives from the American Midwest. Their opinions on this subject are antiquated, worthless, and un-Christian.

Sometimes we get fooled by those who havent the least care as to the long term health of our society...the selfish and greedy the I want it and I want it now mavens. We had way too much of that for the last 8 years. The me me me, the I, I, I...Pushed too fast and too hard to your own detriment. I warned of this on site. People laughed when I told them there was a revolt simmering under the surface.

Three, We, the American people, have risen up all over the country to get elected to the overwhelming majority of state and national elected positions...over 30 governors, the majority of states where we have both houses. In 23 states we have the trifecta, governorship, House and Senate like we have at the national level with President and both congressional bodies under our control. Elections have consequences. And by the end of summer we will probaly have a lock on the Supreme Court for the forseeable future as well.

Ouch. So people who disagree with you are not part of we, the American people? That sucks.

Yeeeeeehaaaaaa.

Next, there is little more certain in life than change. Examples, the Dred Scotf decision, Plessy v Ferguson reversed by Brown v Board, 18th Amendment passed then repealed by the 21st. The American public swings back and forth, so very little is settled for all time.

Yeah, but Americans don't rescind rights once recognized. History, man.

The Supreme Court case of Obergefell simply overstepped. It is not within the federal government's jurisdiction, much less the Supreme Court, to make such law that is reserved to the ststes. They can overturn or nullify, but not write/establish law for the entire nation. Besides, marriage is not an enumerated power of the federal government and is rightfully to be left up to the states.

Wait. You taught our children? The SC didn't write a law. The SC never writes laws. It overturned state laws in MI, OH, KY, and TN. Have you even read the Obergefell decision?

And, as history proves, stated earlier, SC decisions, even amendments, get reversed. And you are mightily wrong about what the government allows, i.e., "two adult consenting citizens to participate in a civil benefit allowed to every other pair of adult consenting citizens in the country." Patently false. I, for instance, cannot marry either my adult sister nor my adult brother, could not, if either were still living, marry my adult parents or any of my adult childen...or marry another consenting adult already married. Its just cognitive flatulence to think otherwise.

We can and do restrict marriage by consenting adults in many instances.

Yes, "three years" of strife and division...probably would have been a bit more settled for a bit but your buddies had to push too hard and we, generally tolerant, Americans got fed up. Now in power, we are fighting back. You cant truly complain, you won a short term victory against our posterity. We shall overcome, we shall wrest it back from y'all's sweaty palms, rest assured.

I'm screen shotting that statement. When shall we review it together again? Shall we say every year for the rest of our lives? I'm good with that because you will always be wrong.

Such a short time in the scheme of things is nothing, but savor it...it might leave just as fast.
 
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Here's some education for you.

"Based on polling in 2017, a majority of Americans (62%) support same-sex marriage, while 32% oppose it."

Weird. It's almost the president's (dis)approval rating.

Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage | Pew Research Center

"64% of Americans say same-sex marriage should be legal
For the first time, majority of Protestants support gay marriage
Support for same-sex relations has also climbed, now at 72%"

U.S. Support for Gay Marriage Edges to New High

"Sixty percent of those polled say they support same-sex marriage, which is up from 59 percent in 2015 and 53 percent in 2013."

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...icans-support-gay-marriage-poll-finds-n799376



Law? No, it's called the Constitution. Read the 14A.



This is what you're talking about, which I didn't even write?

"This not good, people. Once we allow religion to circumvent law, we're going down a very bad road indeed."



Then stop trying to impose discrimination on an innocent class of people.



Yet you don't understand the Constitution. Perfect.
Are we having trouble reading...or processing....or both? I think I pretty prominently mentioned that I dont believe your polls anymore than the ones predicting Hillary would win. Cant/wont dumb that down any further.

First amendment vs 14th? I will take the 1st, thank you very much. You say you are a historian. Know anything about the history of the "ratification" of the fraudulent 14th that did not actually do any such thing...not lawfully, Constitutinally anyhow? Get back to me when you have at least a modicum of knowledge on the topic.

How about YOU and yours stop discriminating first. We' ll see how that goes then I will get back to you.

You are supposed to be trained in law and yet you, apparently, have very little idea as to meaning nor history of our Constitution. Virtue signalling on the shallow end or trying to grab rights for yourself that dont exist is not equivalent to an expression of any pertinent appreciation of the document, its just good old fashioned sophistry.

Or maybe in your case, sophistory.
 
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Wrong. Read a little bit farther.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So, you are telling me here that you have the right to marry your father, if he so consented, even if still married to your mother? based on the fraud 14th you are quoting here? Could he and you both then also marry his consenting adult daughter, your sister, as well?

Where does this madness stop, you rekon? "Hey, you let them do it, so you gotta let us, too. All 83 of us can marry together now, right?
 
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Seems like the proposed law is not in the spirit of equal protection, since it favors one group while targeting another.

Even if the law passes, SCOTUS would eviscerate it.

Obviously. Some of our companions are having a hard time accepting that.
 
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Are we having trouble reading...or processing....or both? I think I pretty prominently mentioned that I dont believe your polls anymore than the ones predicting Hillary would win. Cant/wont dumb that down any further.

First amendment vs 14th? I will take the 1st, thank you very much. You say you are a historian. Know anything about the history of the "ratification" of the fraudulent 14th that did not actually do any such thing...not lawfully, Constitutinally anyhow? Get back to me when you have at least a modicum of knowledge on the topic.

A judge, a lawyer, and a judicial scholar you are not.

How about YOU and yours stop discriminating first. We' ll see how that goes then I will get back to you.

The LGBTQ community could not give one **** less about what psycho Christians think about them. Believe me. Just leave them alone. Don't want no problem, don't start no problem.

You are supposed to be trained in law and yet you, apparently, have very little idea as to meaning nor history of our Constitution. Virtue signalling on the shallow end or trying to grab rights for yourself that dont exist is not equivalent to an expression of any pertinent appreciation of the document, its just good old fashioned sophistry.

Don't take my word for it. Read the case law. There are hundreds of cases that fill up volumes of leather bound books. Or Google it. Either way, knowledge is power, Gaugingcatenate.

Or maybe in your case, sophistory.
 
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So, you are telling me here that you have the right to marry your father, if he so consented, even if still married to your mother? based on the fraud 14th you are quoting here? Could he and you both then also marry his consenting adult daughter, your sister, as well?

Where does this madness stop, you rekon? "Hey, you let them do it, so you gotta let us, too. All 83 of us can marry together now, right?

There's a compelling social reason to disallow incest. There is no compelling social reason to disallow homosexual unions. That's a biological, not a subjective, argument. Since you seem to be unaware, "slippery slope" defenses almost never work.
 
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Oh, the polls are fake.

*Snip*


Ouch. So people who disagree with you are not part of we, the American people? That sucks.



Yeah, but Americans don't rescind rights once recognized. History, man.



Wait. You taught our children? The SC didn't write a law. The SC never writes laws. It overturned state laws in MI, OH, KY, and TN. Have you even read the Obergefell decision?



I'm screen shotting that statement. When shall we review it together again? Shall we say every year for the rest of our lives? I'm good with that because you will always be wrong.

I know many pro gay bigots on this site.

Do you read my posts? Memory a sieve? Taught high school, had thousands of students over the years, knew plenty of indoctrinated idiots in the teaching profession (its almost interminable some of these educated fools so often are, so emotional, rarely reasoned, articulate on current events) as well. Over a lifetime I have met many more hundreds having traveled a good bit of the world.

Most Americans, if asked truthfully, went along with same sex marriage when the SCOTUS made that horrible decision... but if they had their druthers, would opt out of that decision. They inherently understand how it weakens the institution, places children in non optimal formative family situations ...along with other hard hits on the institution of marriage by the lefty liberal progressive agenda...IOW, its not just gay marriage, its a multitude of liberal sins burrowing into the once solid plank of the American family unit. High rates of easy divorce, the welfare policies and periods of radical feminism which push hetro males out of the household... all and more have done tremendous damage.

Most dont care, just like myself, who you want to love, sleep with, etc

But tearing down a good nation's morals, however, and our once very strong instititions, our heritage, attacking long held American ideals and faith on so many levels on every front with an increasing and insatiable desire for more, you must be fought, defeated and denied.

The nation gave tolerance when homosexuals fought so hard crying out, righteously at that point for that...but that just didnt satisfy. A nation isnt obligated to weaken itself, lay down before these hungry reasonless, conscienceless lions who only think of todays meal, sleep, wake up to look for more prey when thats gone.

That time is past. The meek turn the other cheek days are over.

Many on that side just are not Americans in that true spirit, though by birth can consider themselves Americans with all rights of citizenship. Besides, Americans deep down are not suicidal...we see what your side offers is give aways of things that arent yours to give away.

And you just dont really know history, do you?

We dont recind rights once recognized? Are you asare how stupidly platitudinal that idea truly is? I can destroy that with a couple of questions: Was there a right implicit in our Constitution for ownership of slaves? The three-fifths compromise, the slave trade clause, and the fugitive-slave law all point to the fact it was recogized, allowed...speaking of slavery, did we Americans, have the right to work and be free of burdensome individual income taxation?...that right has evaporated...did we have the right not to have s federal government involved in nearly all, if not all, aspects of our lives? Last I checked the government had rescinded that right....more currently, those who felt we have the right to purchase or not purchase what legal products only WE decide...didnt the individual mandate under Slendermans health care atrocity rescind that right?

So give it a break, look around, study history...how about the right to practice our faith as WE see fit...yours are trying to rescind that.

It appears you have only the clues your bubble allows.

To hell the SC doesnt write and rewrite laws, what do you think they did twice with Obamacare, or with Roe v Wade. I suppose it a good thing not many lawyers go into teaching, eh?

Is there a right for same sex couples to marry in the US? Can you quote the law? No. The Supreme Court created a right where there wasnt any previously. Even with the 14th being a fraudulent amendment as it did not go through the proper and legal process as dictated in Article 5, plus it was never intended to do anything but reverse the Dred Cott decision and give rights to those recently freed from slavery by the 13th Amendment...which was, as far as I have determined, properly ratified by Article 5 process.

Screen shot to your hearts content, I wont be cowed into not speaking the truth...but I note that you didnt answer the questions about what two consenting adults can and cannot do...wonder why? Because youre wrong... and you know it.

What have you been right about?
 
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There's a compelling social reason to disallow incest. There is no compelling social reason to disallow homosexual unions. That's a biological, not a subjective, argument. Since you seem to be unaware, "slippery slope" defenses almost never work.

Its completely ridiculous. I've been part of this fight since the 80s when I was in my teens and 20s. It's now 2018 and still, we have people like Gaugingcatenate who simply can't understand that there just isn't anything wrong with being gay or two adults of the same sex marrying.

I'm in my 50s now, and let me tell you, I've lost my patience. I could not care less what anybody thinks of me. But when it comes to the law in this country and if someone tries to use it against people like me, they damn well better be ready for a fight. I'm too old to put up with **** like this from people. I've done it long enough.
 
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I know many pro gay bigots on this site.

Uh huh.

Do you read my posts? Memory a sieve? Taught high school, had thousands of students over the years, knew plenty of indoctrinated idiots in the teaching profession (its almost interminable some of these educated fools so often are, so emotional, rarely reasoned, articulate on current events) as well.

All you've done is offer emotional and religious based arguments. Not one shred of evidence as to why two people of the same sex being able to get married hurts anybody.

Most Americans, if asked truthfully, went along with same sex marriage when the SCOTUS made that horrible decision... but if they had their druthers, would opt out of that decision. They inherently understand how it weakens the institution, places children in non optimal formative family situations ...along with other hard hits on the institution of marriage by the lefty liberal progressive agenda...IOW, its not just gay marriage, its a multitude of liberal sins burrowing into the once solid plank of the American family unit. High rates of easy divorce, the welfare policies and periods of radical feminism which push hetro males out of the household... all and more have done tremendous damage.

1. No, most Americans would not opt out of that decision: U.S. Support for Gay Marriage Edges to New High
2. So wait, conservatives don't; get divorced? Divorce Statistics Republicans vs. Democrats | LoveToKnow
3. Kids of same sex couples do just fine: https://www.theguardian.com/austral...parents-do-as-well-as-their-peers-study-shows

Most dont care, just like myself, who you want to love, sleep with, etc

Oh, you definitely care. This post alone shows that much.

But tearing down a good nation's morals, however, and our once very strong instititions, our heritage, attacking long held American ideals and faith on so many levels on every front with an increasing and insatiable desire for more, you must be fought, defeated and denied.

Most Christians are not anti-gay marriage: U.S. Support for Gay Marriage Edges to New High What needs to be destroyed is ignorance.

The nation gave tolerance when homosexuals fought so hard crying out, righteously at that point for that...but that just didnt satisfy. A nation isnt obligated to weaken itself, lay down before these hungry reasonless, conscienceless lions who only think of todays meal, sleep, wake up to look for more prey when thats gone.

WTF? Do you honestly think I spend my days looking for ways to "weaken the nation"? I neither have that kind of time, nor the power. Good lord man, get to know some gay people. We go to work, school and all the other things you do. World domination is not on the list.

That time is past. The meek turn the other cheek days are over.

Oh, you are definitely right about that. I'm done being nice.

Many on that side just are not Americans in that true spirit, though by birth can consider themselves Americans with all rights of citizenship. Besides, Americans deep down are not suicidal...we see what your side offers is give aways of things that arent yours to give away.

We're all Americans, man. And the more people who are brought together, the stronger we are. There's nothing suicidal about that.

And you just dont really know history, do you?

We dont recind rights once recognized? I can destroy that with a couple of questions...

I'll let MateoMtnClimber take that one. He's the legal expert.

So give it a break, look around, study history...how about the right to practice our faith as WE see fit...yours are trying to rescind that.

That right ends where others' rights begin. This is not a theocracy, and the bible is not the law.

To hell the SC doesnt write and rewrite laws, what do you think they did twice with Obamacare, or with Roe v Wade. I suppose it a good thing not many lawyers go into teaching, eh?

Is there a right for same sex couples to marry in the US? Can you quote the law? No.

Again, I'll let MateoMtnClimber speak for himself on this one.
 
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