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White House preparing for McMaster exit as early as next month

Barnacle said:
That's alright ... no problem. Take a tissue and a pink woolly, badly-knitted hat ... because I'm cheering about what is happening to our nation. :lol: : MAGA
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Really?...You cheering the Chaos and confusion in the White House?.....We know Putin is, are you even an American?
 
Crosscheck said:
Replacing a general with an auto industry executive for national security adviser makes a lot of sense to the reality tv star in the White House.
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I think Colonel Sanders would be a fine choice.
 
No worries mates. We can hope Senior Advisor Stephen Miller and Chief of Staff Gen. Kelly have a sound transition plan to replace McMaster.

Perhaps Stephen dreams up plans while napping at important meetings?

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jet57 said:
The whole thing is imploding now. November is going to be very very interesting. I hope you're planning on voting.
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I always vote, but not for Democrats or Republicans. LOL.
 
jet57 said:
I think Colonel Sanders would be a fine choice.
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No, I do not like redundancy. We already have a fried chicken in the White House. LOL.
 
Why are there so many stupid comments in this thread? Must be a full moon out. So what if Stephen Biegun is an auto industry exec? Big deal - Richard Holbrooke was an investment banker, and he negotiated the Dayton Accords. Where did Susan Rice work before - she was a management consultant at McKinsey. Lots of people with NSA credentials have worked in private industry.

https://freedomhouse.org/content/stephen-e-biegun

Stephen E. Biegun is vice president of International Governmental Affairs for Ford Motor Company. Prior to joining Ford, Mr. Biegun served as national security advisor to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist. Before joining the Senator’s staff, Mr. Biegun worked in the White House from 2001-2003 as Executive Secretary of the National Security Council. Prior to that, Mr. Biegun served for 14 years as a foreign policy advisor to members of both the House and the Senate. During this time, he was also Chief of Staff of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and was the Committee's senior staff member for European affairs. From 1992-1994 Mr. Biegun served as Resident Director of the International Republican Institutes democracy assistance program in Moscow, Russia.
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What are you meatheads complaining about in his regard? He's got as solid a resume as any.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Well yes, staff is expected to be able to maintain some minimum standards of decent behavior, which includes following orders.
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WH is not the 82nd Airborne nor is the WH any kind of military organization. Potus is CnC but he's a civilian who has no military uniform and no stars on his collar. The term "following orders" is not the best term either given the particulars of history during the first half of the 20th century.




Hawkeye10 said:
I am not happy to be here either:


https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...onference-trump-mcmaster-mccain-elite/553697/

But here we be.
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We're aware a significant segment of society regard the past as the ideal. Or almost always preferable to the present. Want the future to return to the past.

So let's take a risky peek at what McMaster's future past might be shaping up as. Because it looks like the three-star is going to close out his military career by 'failing up.' And how this occurs in these instances.

Two suitable four-star postings are coming open this year in Army. One is vice chief of staff (VCSA) and the other is commander in Afghanistan. The VCSA position is an availability that is scheduled and routine so it happens to dovetail with Trump's revolving door and hopelessly erratic management and McMaster having to exit the Trump sphere of chaos. CSA General Mark Milley has said he considers McMaster to be a stellar prospect as VCSA -- an excellent tandem. So that path is clear and shining.

Gen. Milley continues to support his commander in Afghanistan, General John Nicholson who Trump got talked out of firing last year by McMaster, Milley, Mattis, Kelly. John McCain considers Gen. Nicholson to be an excellent commander but McCain's problem starts with Trump so that's that. Gen. Nicholson is in his second year of what normally is a two year command but he appears to be the man for the job as far as Pentagon is concerned -- he might well continue there through the rest of the year.

As to "following orders," Trump has never had to follow anyone's orders but he does yield to the brass in almost all things. This is in contrast to Trump the candidate who howled throughout 2016 that he wuz gonna "fire the generals." Trump in fact renominated JCS Chairman General Joe Dunford last year for a second (and final) two year term. VCSA is a set four year term and requires a four-star officer, which is why the rap is on McMaster of 'failing up.' If that might be how this goes for him. Which is probably how it will go fairly soon. McMaster is well positioned in his candidacy to 'fail up' given he and all the brass hats presently at Pentagon came up the ranks the same time as McMaster did so they fought with him, beside him, in front of him and covered each other's back so they respect him.

Still McMaster is not appreciated at Pentagon for retaining his active duty status as national security advisor. Everyone over at the Pentagon told McMaster to file his retirement papers before taking the position. The problem was stated precisely by retired CJCS Admiral Mike Mullen who said publicly, "Everything in the White House is politics, politics, politics. It pushes you to the edge. It makes you ask what is the limit. It makes you ask when you're not going to be there any more." As we know and are witnessing, the time does come one way or the other. McMaster however is going because Potus has had it with the guy's limits as broadly encompassing as they are. Kelly meanwhile is better positioned having retired before becoming Trump's lap dog. Mad Dog and Lap Dog.

Gen. Colin Powell was the only other military guy to become national security advisor (Reagan) and retain his officer commission. Powell was of course a political general so he was advanced on up to four stars on greased skids even though he never commanded a division etc (Schwarzkopf was a general's general). Powell had no problem following orders in the WH through two administrations back then. Powell was the pet of Reagan, GHW, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the whole gang of 'em. Powell made 'em look better which is something neither McMaster nor any brass hat can do for Trump. Kelly is himself the illustration of how Trump is Kelly and Kelly is Trump. General E. Barrel Kelly.
 
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Tangmo said:
WH is not the 82nd Airborne nor is the WH any kind of military organization. Potus is CnC but he's a civilian who has no military uniform and no stars on his collar. The term "following orders" is not the best term either given the particulars of history during the first half of the 20th century.






We're aware a significant segment of society regard the past as the ideal. Or almost always preferable to the present. Want the future to return to the past.

So let's take a risky peek at what McMaster's future past might be shaping up as. Because it looks like the three-star is going to close out his military career by 'failing up.' And how this occurs in these instances.

Two suitable four-star postings are coming open this year in Army. One is vice chief of staff (VCSA) and the other is commander in Afghanistan. The VCSA position is an availability that is scheduled and routine so it happens to dovetail with Trump's revolving door and hopelessly erratic management and McMaster having to exit the Trump sphere of chaos. CSA General Mark Milley has said he considers McMaster to be a stellar prospect as VCSA -- an excellent tandem. So that path is clear and shining.

Gen. Milley continues to support his commander in Afghanistan, General John Nicholson who Trump got talked out of firing last year by McMaster, Milley, Mattis, Kelly. John McCain considers Gen. Nicholson to be an excellent commander but McCain's problem starts with Trump so that's that. Gen. Nicholson is in his second year of what normally is a two year command but he appears to be the man for the job as far as Pentagon is concerned -- he might well continue there through the rest of the year.

As to "following orders," Trump has never had to follow anyone's orders but he does yield to the brass in almost all things. This is in contrast to Trump the candidate who howled throughout 2016 that he wuz gonna "fire the generals." Trump in fact renominated JCS Chairman General Joe Dunford last year for a second (and final) two year term. VCSA is a set four year term and requires a four-star officer, which is why the rap is on McMaster of 'failing up.' If that might be how this goes for him. Which is probably how it will go fairly soon. McMaster is well positioned in his candidacy to 'fail up' given he and all the brass hats presently at Pentagon came up the ranks the same time as McMaster did so they fought with him, beside him, in front of him and covered each other's back so they respect him.

Still McMaster is not appreciated at Pentagon for retaining his active duty status as national security advisor. Everyone over at the Pentagon told McMaster to file his retirement papers before taking the position. The problem was stated precisely by retired CJCS Admiral Mike Mullen who said publicly, "Everything in the White House is politics, politics, politics. It pushes you to the edge. It makes you ask what is the limit. It makes you ask when you're not going to be there any more." As we know and are witnessing, the time does come one way or the other. McMaster however is going because Potus has had it with the guy's limits as broadly encompassing as they are. Kelly meanwhile is better positioned having retired before becoming Trump's lap dog. Mad Dog and Lap Dog.

Gen. Colin Powell was the only other military guy to become national security advisor (Reagan) and retain his officer commission. Powell was of course a political general so he was advanced on up to four stars on greased skids even though he never commanded a division etc (Schwarzkopf was a general's general). Powell had no problem following orders in the WH through two administrations back then. Powell was the pet of Reagan, GHW, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the whole gang of 'em. Powell made 'em look better which is something neither McMaster nor any brass hat can do for Trump. Kelly is himself the illustration of how Trump is Kelly and Kelly is Trump. General E. Barrel Kelly.
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I dont know where you get your information but it looks to me that McMaster was given plenty of time and plenty of help to get with the program, but that he is not temperamentally suited for what the WH needs.

It is time to get someone who might be able to do the job.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I dont know where you get your information but it looks to me that McMaster was given plenty of time and plenty of help to get with the program, but that he is not temperamentally suited for what the WH needs.

It is time to get someone who might be able to do the job.
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While you are thinking national security advisor I am thinking Potus.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This thread is about the National Security Advisor.
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One understands but does not accept the back pedaling. That is, from reaching into the gone past to curse the present. Your post in scrolling -- #23 -- goes far afield and off the reservation to get there, quoting mystics and other hero worshipers....


...so many of the ills of the last couple of decades: the algae-like bloom of elites and their simultaneous loss of substance. staunch public servants like Manfred Wörner, a German defense minister and secretary general of NATO in the 1980s, or politicians like Dennis Healey of Britain. Their successors are cautious functionaries, pallid experts, and colorless politicians who think carefully about domestic audiences before speaking up abroad. Perhaps this is the inevitable price of the success of the West in creating societies prosperous beyond the dreams of 100 years ago.
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Indeed, we wouldn't want to lose our essence or our substance so boldness might be the word. If that might be the Strangelove word. Over there.

We haven't had a world war or a serious or major global or regional conflict since 1939. Yet there are always people who can't stand peace and prosperity which is what the overarching theme is of the past 70 years. There are people who don't accept the accountability of their leaders to their populations. Especially when the populations reject both war and the authoritarian rule of men who oppose the bourgeois rule of law.
 
Tangmo said:
One understands but does not accept the back pedaling. That is, from reaching into the gone past to curse the present. Your post in scrolling -- #23 -- goes far afield and off the reservation to get there, quoting mystics and other hero worshipers....





Indeed, we wouldn't want to lose our essence or our substance so boldness might be the word. If that might be the Strangelove word. Over there.

We haven't had a world war or a serious or major global or regional conflict since 1939. Yet there are always people who can't stand peace and prosperity which is what the overarching theme is of the past 70 years. There are people who don't accept the accountability of their leaders to their populations. Especially when the populations reject both war and the authoritarian rule of men who oppose the bourgeois rule of law.
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There is no prosperity, the globe is awash with debt.

As for peace America has been at war for getting close to two decades, and militarism is on the rise lead by China and Russia.

And the systems dont work and the ones who run the systems clearly suck and the society is very ill and things are so bad that we have Trumps fat ass in the POTUS Chair.






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Hawkeye10 said:
There is no prosperity, the globe is awash with debt.

As for peace America has been at war for getting close to two decades, and militarism is on the rise lead by China and Russia.

And the systems dont work and the ones who run the systems clearly suck and the society is very ill and things are so bad that we have Trumps fat ass in the POTUS Chair.






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The post is a descriptive declaratory pronouncement. It is absent analysis so it comes up short. Hawkeye gets grounded by eagle eye is another way to put it, i.e., the usual.

Unmanageable debt is the problem and we're all still here doing fine thx because societies are managing their debt even if it is a huge task and burden to accomplish. Nothing comes easy. The right wing principal alternative is a gold standard when there isn't enough gold in the universe to support the global $100 Trillion GDP that is ever expanding. We'd be talking a baseline of $10,000 a troy ounce and being plunged back into the antibellum 19th century to bring it back to earth again. And staying there.

USA is fighting small wars as necessary which sure as shooting beats world wars and relieves natural global pressures by all parties getting to blow off steam as it were. Militarism is natural so it too needs to be managed successfully -- so far so good in terms of a global conflict. Trump's ignorant and madhouse ass in the oval office is a temporary state although the fact of it occurring marks some unfortunate fundamental changes adverse to the United States. The major consequence is that it simply increases the likelihood of serious global conflict. While we can fully expect a significant pre-emptive strike of NK, we risk it all in Europe by opening the door there to Putin's ambitions.

Indeed, Putin's road to Europe travels through the White House. The 2500 year history of dynasties in China is that each and every one failed. The present dynasty of CCP emperors in business suits is just another young and very nervous dynasty destined to repeat the inevitable cycle of failure. That Xi Jinpingpong has been acclaimed leader for life attests to both the inherent need for dictatorial one man rule in China and its inevitable failure. The trash heap in China of 'I am the state' rulers is high.

You are rejecting matters that go zing over your heads over there and to which youse are oblivious. Invariably.
 
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