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Mueller team asks about Trump's Russian business dealings as he weighed a run for president

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Investigators for special counsel Robert Mueller have recently been asking witnesses about Donald Trump's business activities in Russia prior to the 2016 presidential campaign as he considered a run for president, according to three people familiar with the matter.

Questions to some witnesses during wide-ranging interviews included the timing of Trump's decision to seek the presidency, potentially compromising information the Russians may have had about him, and why efforts to brand a Trump Tower in Moscow fell through, two sources said.
The lines of inquiry indicate Mueller's team is reaching beyond the campaign to explore how the Russians might have sought to influence Trump at a time when he was discussing deals in Moscow and contemplating a presidential run.

Several lines of questioning to witnesses have centered on the 2013 Miss Universe pageant, which was held in Moscow, and unsuccessful discussions to brand a Trump Tower Moscow, two sources said.

For the pageant, Trump partnered with Aras Agalarov, and his son, Emin Agalarov, billionaire real estate developers in Russia. In congressional testimony last year, Donald Trump Jr. said that "preliminary discussions" to build a tower in Moscow began between the Trump Organization and the Agalarovs after the Miss Universe pageant. Trump tweeted with excitement about the potential project, saying "Trump Tower-Moscow is next."

But the plans fell through. Rob Goldstone, a publicist for pop star Emin Agalarov, told Yahoo News last year that the Trump Tower deal was scrapped because "the economy tanked in Russia" from harsh sanctions imposed by Western countries.

One of the sources said, based on the questions, that Mueller's team was focused on the financing of the Miss Universe Pageant, such as who paid for what and what money was paid to whom.

The Trump Organization has never disclosed exactly how much it was paid to hold the beauty pageant in Russia. But Trump's lawyers said in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee that the Trump Organization made $12.2 million from foreign sources that year, and a "substantial portion" came from the Moscow event.

A second area of focus was what happened during the event. The source said questions also focused on meetings Trump had with Russian business people or government officials, leading the source to believe the investigators were probing the possibility of "kompromat," or compromising material, on Trump.
Along these lines, the source said, investigators were interested in logistics surrounding Trump's hotel room in Moscow: Who was there? Who would have access to it? Who was in charge of security? Who was moving around with him during the trip?

About two years after the pageant, Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen began negotiations with another Russian company for a Trump Tower in Moscow. Trump even signed a non-binding letter of intent in October 2015. But Cohen says he cut off negotiations in January 2016. One of the sources said Mueller's team has also asked about this project, in addition to the potential Agalarov deal.

Trump did not mention during the presidential campaign that his company explored these two business deals in Russia. Instead, he insisted that he had "nothing to do with Russia." Even when talking about his past dealings with Russians -- like the Miss Universe pageant -- Trump never referred to the prospective deal that fell through a few weeks before the Iowa caucuses.

Trump's past business dealings have been an area of interest to counterintelligence officials. CNN has previously reported that before the special counsel's appointment in May, the FBI had combed through the list of shell companies and buyers of Trump-branded real estate properties and scrutinized the roster of tenants at Trump Tower reaching back more than a half-dozen years.

It's exactly as I said to Chomsky, the emails written by Sater and Cohen where they are asking VTB for financing for proposed real estate projects in Moscow are very problematic. It doesn't matter whether Trump had such plans before hand, they are still using the campaign for personal business, which is prohibited by both federal election laws and the foreign corrupt practices act.

And gods knows what could be revealed about SoHo and Trumps other ventures with Sater. This is bad for the Trump Organization.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html



It's exactly as I said to Chomsky, the emails written by Sater and Cohen where they are asking VTB for financing for proposed real estate projects in Moscow are very problematic. It doesn't matter whether Trump had such plans before hand, they are still using the campaign for personal business, which is prohibited by both federal election laws and the foreign corrupt practices act.

And gods knows what could be revealed about SoHo and Trumps other ventures with Sater. This is bad for the Trump Organization.

Sigh....by your lights we are condemned to be ruled by worthless swamp parasites on the take...they go to Washington promising to do good but end of doing very well indeed.

The Clintons went into "public service" in a rattling used Arkansas pickup truck and now own over $300,000,000 in cash assets.

Trump goes into politics not taking a salary and sending the share of all profits earned through ANY nation's government officials stays in his luxurious hotels straight to the US Treasury.

The Parasites are getting pissed. He's wrecking their game
 
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Sigh....by your lights we are condemned to be ruled by worthless swamp parasites on the take...they go to Washington promising to do good but end of doing very well indeed.

The Clintons went into "public service" in a rattling used Arkansas pickup truck and now own over 300,000,000 in cash assets.

Trump goes in not taking a salary and sending the share of all profits earned through ANY nations govenment officials stays in his luxurious hotels straight to the US treasury.

The Parasites are getting pissed
The Trump Organization has since reneged on their promise to keep track of the money spent by foreign nationals at their hotels, so no dice.

I think Trump wants to keep that money, and instead golf on the tax payers dime.

:golf
 
lock him up, lock him up, lock him up ............... repeat 10,000 times ........... :lol: ...........
 
The Trump Organization has since reneged on their promise to keep track of the money spent by foreign nationals at their hotels, so no dice.

I think Trump wants to keep that money, and instead golf on the tax payers dime.

:golf


Trump wants a tail fin sticker slapped on Air Force One: "My other plane is Custom 757"

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Do you really believe that Trump is subjecting himself to slow torture of the mosquitoes, buzz flies, and leeches of the DC swamp to enjoy more of the luxuries of wealth he already has in abundance?

 
Sigh....by your lights we are condemned to be ruled by worthless swamp parasites on the take...they go to Washington promising to do good but end of doing very well indeed.

The Clintons went into "public service" in a rattling used Arkansas pickup truck and now own over $300,000,000 in cash assets.

Trump goes into politics not taking a salary and sending the share of all profits earned through ANY nation's government officials stays in his luxurious hotels straight to the US Treasury.

The Parasites are getting pissed. He's wrecking their game

Trump IS the swamp.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html



It's exactly as I said to Chomsky, the emails written by Sater and Cohen where they are asking VTB for financing for proposed real estate projects in Moscow are very problematic. It doesn't matter whether Trump had such plans before hand, they are still using the campaign for personal business, which is prohibited by both federal election laws and the foreign corrupt practices act.

And gods knows what could be revealed about SoHo and Trumps other ventures with Sater. This is bad for the Trump Organization.

You just know Trump is seething over this. When Mueller indicted the 13 Russians, he guaranteed his job. But nutty Don just may do it, Trump DOES not want his finances being scrutinized by Mueller. The man is VERY thorough.
 
Trump wants a tail fin sticker slapped on Air Force One: "My other plane is Custom 757"

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Do you really believe that Trump is subjecting himself to slow torture of the mosquitoes, buzz flies, and leeches of the DC swamp to enjoy more of the luxuries of wealth he already has in abundance?

You know most of that crap is probably financed, right? Those ****ing 757's are like, $70 million a pop, and a custom job is god knows how much.

Meanwhile, his company only earns between $600 and $700 million, while Trump personally is drowning in both personal and mortgage debt, so you can bet that mother****er has been a bum paying it off -- if he has.
 
So, Trump ran for and became POTUS because he was going to lose his lease on his jet and couldn't face flying commercial?
:lamo
 
You know most of that crap is probably financed, right? Those ****ing 757's are like, $70 million a pop, and a custom job is god knows how much.

Meanwhile, his company only earns between $600 and $700 million, while Trump personally is drowning in both personal and mortgage debt, so you can bet that mother****er has been a bum paying it off -- if he has.

Hey go for it...tell your banker you want to buy a customized 757 and a scattering of mansions here and there and all on your credit line.

Tell me how it went.

 
You just know Trump is seething over this. When Mueller indicted the 13 Russians, he guaranteed his job. But nutty Don just may do it, Trump DOES not want his finances being scrutinized by Mueller. The man is VERY thorough.

Yes; Trump is very thorough with other women .............. ones he isn't married to .............
 
Trump said he had nothing to do with Russia during the campaign, are you saying he lied about business dealings in Russia, and conflicts of issue with Russia, and if he were not presdient, could never in a milliion years get a security clearance, just like his son in law Jared?

Takes a year or so for Mueller to get there with the cleanup crew, glad to see he's there.
 
The 2013 Miss Universe pageant was hosted at a hotel owned by Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin and a good friend of Trump. Emin Agalarov, Aras' son, was involved in setting up the secret Trump Tower meeting through his publicist, Rob Goldstone. Rob and Ike Kaveladze, a Senior VP at Aras' company, were both present, as was Kaveladze's lawyer Scott Balber, who also represents both Agalarovs.

Emin has said he visits Trump every time he's in New York (Source). "I consider him a friend. We exchange correspondence. We see each other a few times a year."

Trump is clearly very close to Aras and Emin and had been in regular contact with them for years prior to the election. Aras is also very close to Putin.

Given these ties, it's reasonable to question this connection. Trump has done business with Aras in the past. Trump had proposed business with Aras in the recent past (the Moscow projects). Trump is very close to Aras. Aras' associates were at a meeting about providing the Trump campaign with dirt. That's concerning.

If Mueller flips Manafort we'll know what happened at the meeting.
 
The 2013 Miss Universe pageant was hosted at a hotel owned by Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin and a good friend of Trump. Emin Agalarov, Aras' son, was involved in setting up the secret Trump Tower meeting through his publicist, Rob Goldstone. Rob and Ike Kaveladze, a Senior VP at Aras' company, were both present, as was Kaveladze's lawyer Scott Balber, who also represents both Agalarovs.

Emin has said he visits Trump every time he's in New York (Source). "I consider him a friend. We exchange correspondence. We see each other a few times a year."

Trump is clearly very close to Aras and Emin and had been in regular contact with them for years prior to the election. Aras is also very close to Putin.

Given these ties, it's reasonable to question this connection. Trump has done business with Aras in the past. Trump had proposed business with Aras in the recent past (the Moscow projects). Trump is very close to Aras. Aras' associates were at a meeting about providing the Trump campaign with dirt. That's concerning.

If Mueller flips Manafort we'll know what happened at the meeting.
Great post, providing reasonable rationale for Mueller's current interest in this area. :thumbs:
 
The 2013 Miss Universe pageant was hosted at a hotel owned by Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin and a good friend of Trump. Emin Agalarov, Aras' son, was involved in setting up the secret Trump Tower meeting through his publicist, Rob Goldstone. Rob and Ike Kaveladze, a Senior VP at Aras' company, were both present, as was Kaveladze's lawyer Scott Balber, who also represents both Agalarovs.

Emin has said he visits Trump every time he's in New York (Source). "I consider him a friend. We exchange correspondence. We see each other a few times a year."

Trump is clearly very close to Aras and Emin and had been in regular contact with them for years prior to the election. Aras is also very close to Putin.

Given these ties, it's reasonable to question this connection. Trump has done business with Aras in the past. Trump had proposed business with Aras in the recent past (the Moscow projects). Trump is very close to Aras. Aras' associates were at a meeting about providing the Trump campaign with dirt. That's concerning.

If Mueller flips Manafort we'll know what happened at the meeting.

If Manafort flips, he's a dead man and he knows it. Trump's corruption isn't the only thing Manafort knows about Ukraine/Russian secret dealings. He'll take his chances on a trial, and wait for a presidential pardon. Much safer option for him that cooperating with Mueller.

I hope I'm wrong, because I want Mueller to have absolutely every crumb of information available about this intolerable mess the Russians have caused in their cyberwar against American, but I doubt Manafort is willing to take a chance by crossing the Russians.
 
If Manafort flips, he's a dead man and he knows it. Trump's corruption isn't the only thing Manafort knows about Ukraine/Russian secret dealings. He'll take his chances on a trial, and wait for a presidential pardon. Much safer option for him that cooperating with Mueller.

I hope I'm wrong, because I want Mueller to have absolutely every crumb of information available about this intolerable mess the Russians have caused in their cyberwar against American, but I doubt Manafort is willing to take a chance by crossing the Russians.

If Manafort is in that deep then I'm sure Mueller knows it and won't leave him out to dry like that.
 
If Manafort is in that deep then I'm sure Mueller knows it and won't leave him out to dry like that.

Point taken. But even Witness Protection is limited when the government of an entire country is determined enough to silence someone.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html



It's exactly as I said to Chomsky, the emails written by Sater and Cohen where they are asking VTB for financing for proposed real estate projects in Moscow are very problematic. It doesn't matter whether Trump had such plans before hand, they are still using the campaign for personal business, which is prohibited by both federal election laws and the foreign corrupt practices act.

And gods knows what could be revealed about SoHo and Trumps other ventures with Sater. This is bad for the Trump Organization.
This stuff has been news in various New York local and other media sources, for many years. It's only been getting tied together in the national spotlight relatively recently. Mueller's way ahead of us, I'm sure.

But here's what really saddens me:

A second area of focus was what happened during the event. The source said questions also focused on meetings Trump had with Russian business people or government officials, leading the source to believe the investigators were probing the possibility of "kompromat," or compromising material, on Trump.

Along these lines, the source said, investigators were interested in logistics surrounding Trump's hotel room in Moscow: Who was there? Who would have access to it? Who was in charge of security? Who was moving around with him during the trip?
It's becoming clear much, if not most, of Trump's inner circle in the White House can NOT obtain security clearance commensurate with their positions & access. Now it seems to me, even our President himself could never attain security clearance!

So in essence, we have a President & inner circle running the country who are not of the character, honesty, and trustworthiness, to be there.

Damn, I'm torn apart by this. And still trying to figure-out how it came to be, and how it is allowed to continue.
 
So... looks to me like Trump had been compromised by Russia. Russia forces Trump to run for President. Trump runs and Russia makes sure that he wins.

Russia is now firmly entrenched in the United States government.

**** me.
 
You just know Trump is seething over this. When Mueller indicted the 13 Russians, he guaranteed his job. But nutty Don just may do it, Trump DOES not want his finances being scrutinized by Mueller. The man is VERY thorough.
He's BEYOND thorough!

The detail and inside knowledge and supporting documentation in his indictments is nothing short of amazing.

For the Russian troll factory, Mueller had their emails, employee records and pay scales, hire dates, everything! It was an amazing hack-job, or he had or got to someone inside. I'm highly impressed by this.

In fact, I'd love to see him run for President when he's done with his work here. If there's a guy that can keep America safe, and clean-up government, he's the guy I'm betting on. But I suspect he's going to be busy for a while ...
 
Point taken. But even Witness Protection is limited when the government of an entire country is determined enough to silence someone.
One only needs to look at the UK and Europe plutonium murders, to get a feel for what's going through Manafort's mind.

Plus Manafort's been in the Ukraine, and dealt with the oligarchs. He know their m.o.s better then us, for sure!
 
One only needs to look at the UK and Europe plutonium murders, to get a feel for this.

Exactly. That's why I don't think he'll open his mouth. He's not afraid of Mueller; he's afraid of Putin.
 
This stuff has been news in various New York local and other media sources, for many years. It's only been getting tied together in the national spotlight relatively recently. Mueller's way ahead of us, I'm sure.
But here's what really saddens me:
It's becoming clear much, if not most, of Trump's inner circle in the White House can NOT obtain security clearance commensurate with their positions & access. Now it seems to me, even our President himself could never attain security clearance!
So in essence, we have a President & inner circle running the country who are not of the character, honesty, and trustworthiness, to be there.
Damn, I'm torn apart by this. And still trying to figure-out how it came to be, and how it is allowed to continue.

This really seems some glaring oversights in our old and experimental system of government. As you say, it should not happen in the first place. Also if it does, we need a better mechanism to stop it...and wtf pardons. All we needed was a crazy with the party in Congress to break it? Seems absurd. As fear and loathing said our officials should fear us...not the othe way around.
 
So... looks to me like Trump had been compromised by Russia. Russia forces Trump to run for President. Trump runs and Russia makes sure that he wins.

Russia is now firmly entrenched in the United States government.

**** me.
Well - there's a long way to go from "looking at possible kompromat", to the full-boogie scenario in your post!
 
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