• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

These companies have cut ties with the NRA

Ahlevah said:
What facts? I haven't seen any. I haven't even seen an argument. (Telling me to find a safe space or calling me ignorant or stating that I'm not a victim aren't rebuttals to my stated point, which is there's an obvious movement to vilify the NRA and its members for political reasons.) Why have I "lost" my argument by using the words "Jew" in conjunction with the word "hat"? Can you at least answer that?
Click to expand...

Of course I laid out facts. You aren’t being hunted down and jailed, you’re not being killed, you’re not being gassed, so any comparison to boycotting the NRA as being Nazis is ridiculous. So yeah you’ve lost.
 
Ahlevah said:
In prewar Nazi Germany, business owners who posted "No Jews Allowed" or "We don't serve Jews" weren't hunting down, gassing, or otherwise making them the victims of war crimes either, were they? Even the Nazis didn't do that initially. My point is there's a blatant, full-frontal attempt by the Left to vilify the organization and its members as "extremists" or "out of the mainstream" because they're viewed as political obstacles. Increasingly, these voices are being heard by sympathetic ears in executive suites. It's a twist on traditional business thought to have companies punish their customers for their political associations or memberships, but then it's a natural outgrowth of leftist thinking: "Don't bother reasoning with someone you don't agree with. Any reasoning that results in a bad result isn't reasoning, anyway. Just call them a bigot, tell them they're making you uncomfortable, ask them why they're so angry, or shun them after you tell them to **** off."
Click to expand...

Ah. So don't ever even imply that the far Right is extremist...but lay down and take it up the wazoo if the far Right wants to exercise what they feel is their "right" to vilify nonwhites and anyone with a Hispanic or Asian accent. Got it.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh look, more "we're the real victims" whining. How creative :roll:
Click to expand...

and you will claim your anti gun nonsense is based on crime victims when in reality you just don't like the politics of the NRA. NRA members tend to be more affluent than average and travel more. Hertz is only cutting its own throat
 
When America got to the point where we demanded that everyone pick a side we should have figured out that we are in big big trouble.

Mostly though we ain't that bright.
 
Praxas said:
Of course I laid out facts. You aren’t being hunted down and jailed, you’re not being killed, you’re not being gassed, so any comparison to boycotting the NRA as being Nazis is ridiculous. So yeah you’ve lost.
Click to expand...

You missed the point, so your "facts" aren't relevant as a rebuttal. (To clarify my argument, I pointed at out that Jews in prewar Germany weren't gassed either when they were being denied access to various businesses because of who they were. At that moment in history, the Nazis were interested less in extermination than marginalizing and shunning Jews in order to achieve a political aim. That's the comparison, which you missed again even though I spelled it out for you. So now I'm starting to think you're being obtuse on purpose.)
 
DarkWizard12 said:
It's alright, I'm a member of the NRA, there are other businesses lined up to fill the gaps. The NRA is never going to die.
Click to expand...

given we are more affluent than the average American, travel more, etc its idiotic for companies to lose this business association. It also shows how hateful the anti gun left is.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Ah. So don't ever even imply that the far Right is extremist...but lay down and take it up the wazoo if the far Right wants to exercise what they feel is their "right" to vilify nonwhites and anyone with a Hispanic or Asian accent. Got it.
Click to expand...

If you want to imply that the Far Right is extremist, knock yourself out, but do it by making an argument that supports that thesis. But is someone an "extremist" because they're an NRA member? Does the NRA vilify nonwhites or Hispanics or Asians? No, they're not, and no, it doesn't.
 
TurtleDude said:
and you will claim your anti gun nonsense is based on crime victims when in reality you just don't like the politics of the NRA. NRA members tend to be more affluent than average and travel more. Hertz is only cutting its own throat
Click to expand...

I’ll be the first to admit I don’t like an organization which calls law enforcement “jackbooted thugs” and who are more obsessed with promoting sales than they are with stating facts. That said, the reality of the situation is that there is no sane reason why anyone should be bitching and moaning about the government trying to keep weaponry out of the hands of thugs.

They also seem to have a tendency to support cop killers and would be cop killers.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t like an organization which calls law enforcement “jackbooted thugs” and who are more obsessed with promoting sales than they are with stating facts. That said, the reality of the situation is that there is no sane reason why anyone should be bitching and moaning about the government trying to keep weaponry out of the hands of thugs.

They also seem to have a tendency to support cop killers and would be cop killers.
Click to expand...

you're just lying about the NRA. its specious slander about supporting cop killers.
 
TurtleDude said:
you're just lying about the NRA. its specious slander about supporting cop killers.
Click to expand...

The “Militia movement” are big supporters of the NRA, and it seems in many cases vice versa; they have repeatedly murdered or attempted to murder law enforcement.

So no, not “slanderous” at all.
 
Ahlevah said:
If you want to imply that the Far Right is extremist, knock yourself out, but do it by making an argument that supports that thesis. But is someone an "extremist" because they're an NRA member? Does the NRA vilify nonwhites or Hispanics or Asians? No, they're not, and no, it doesn't.
Click to expand...

I wasn't speaking of the NRA...but since you mention them, the organization as a whole might not be racist, but its leader Wayne LaPierre sure seems to be racist. I know, I know, you don't want to believe anything Media Matters says...so don't! Just go to each and every one of the references they use to list Pierre's quotes.

That being said, today's far Right is, well, MUCH farther to the right than it was when I voted for Reagan and Bush 41 - neither one of them could win a Republican primary today - they'd be metaphorically chased out of town and forever branded "far-left liberals". In fact, you should go back and check the 1956 GOP party platform - you know, when the candidate was a certain far-left screaming snowflake cuck socialist called Dwight D. Eisenhower. It turns out that the GOP party platform of that year had a great deal in common with the Democratic 2012 party platform under Obama.

You see, those are the kind of real conservatives that I wistfully look back to...but today's "conservatives" have forgotten what REAL conservatism is. All you have is populism and a reactionary policy that has been used to force our nation to effectively abdicate its place as the world's leader. I can just see a certain Cold Warrior named Reagan stepping up and castigating all of you for supporting Trump and being SO forgiving of Russia and Putin...but all y'all would do is attack Reagan for being a part of the liberal elite. Y'all have forgotten what real patriotism is.
 
Ahlevah said:
You missed the point, so your "facts" aren't relevant as a rebuttal. (To clarify my argument, I pointed at out that Jews in prewar Germany weren't gassed either when they were being denied access to various businesses because of who they were. At that moment in history, the Nazis were interested less in extermination than marginalizing and shunning Jews in order to achieve a political aim. That's the comparison, which you missed again even though I spelled it out for you. So now I'm starting to think you're being obtuse on purpose.)
Click to expand...

I didn’t miss anything because your comparison doesn’t equate. The acts against the Jews were from the government. Companies boycotting the NRA is in NO way compatible to the Nazis.
 
do you liberals think if the NRA disappeared tomorrow you would be safer from gun violence?! that's why nobody can take you people seriously.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I wasn't speaking of the NRA...but since you mention them, the organization as a whole might not be racist, but its leader Wayne LaPierre sure seems to be racist. I know, I know, you don't want to believe anything Media Matters says...so don't! Just go to each and every one of the references they use to list Pierre's quotes.
Click to expand...

I could spend a month going through Media Matters' "23 reasons the NRA is racist" and rebutting them, but let me focus on one in particular that caught my attention. One Media Matters article toots the headline "NRA's Ted Nugent Praises Use Of The Word 'Nigger.'" So I went to the link and actually read the article in question and what I saw had more in common with George Carlin than George Wallace. His point was the n-word is just that--a word--which can be a useful descriptive term to convey a particular meaning depending on context. The word itself is not evil, and yet there are those in the PC crowd who are trying to convince us it is. Nugent's a musician from Detroit, he played with black musicians, and his music was influenced by black musicians. They tended to use the word a lot, and that was his experience:

"I use the word nigger a lot because I hang around with a lot of niggers, and they use the word nigger, and I tend to use words that communicate ... I don't mean to offend."

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/25/nras-ted-nugent-praises-use-of-the-word-nigger/204136
Click to expand...

When asked to cite artists who've influenced him, he's named people like Bo Diddly, Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, and Little Richard. It would be odd to admire people you would otherwise find to be inferior in almost any other regard based simply on their race.

So at least in the instance of Media Matters' Reason #12, I find reason to doubt their conclusion that the NRA is racist because Ted Nugent says he "niggers up" when he plays his "Motown guitar."
 
Tigerace117 said:
The “Militia movement” are big supporters of the NRA, and it seems in many cases vice versa; they have repeatedly murdered or attempted to murder law enforcement.

So no, not “slanderous” at all.
Click to expand...

credible proof needed
 
TurtleDude said:
and you will claim your anti gun nonsense is based on crime victims when in reality you just don't like the politics of the NRA. NRA members tend to be more affluent than average and travel more. Hertz is only cutting its own throat
Click to expand...

This is a good point. The focus is the 2nd Amendment. Those that are anti-NRA are also more likely to be against self-reliance, and tend to support democratic candidates (anti-affluence).

In the crossfire is the ancient right to bear arms, being used as a proxy for more basic political arguments by the left. This tactic overreaches, and can be countered when the argument goes back to the rights of the citizen to own a gun. The NRA supports the right of black citizens in Baltimore to own guns. Those that are against the NRA want to take those guns out of the hands of the black citizens of Baltimore, and put those guns in the hands of the very trustworthy Baltimore Police Department, and the even more trustworthy Ferguson PD.

The right needs to realize that the NRA argument is merely a proxy for more deeply held leftist beliefs, among the most sacred of these is black victimization.
 
Waddy said:
The NRA will survive. This latest round of gun control publicity will drive up membership yet again. Fund raising gets a lot easier for this years elections.
Click to expand...

Yep. The anti-gunners never learn. The NRA has been under worse attack before. The real question is how many politicians will lose their seats this fall if they go to war against the NRA.
 
TurtleDude said:
and you will claim your anti gun nonsense is based on crime victims when in reality you just don't like the politics of the NRA. NRA members tend to be more affluent than average and travel more. Hertz is only cutting its own throat
Click to expand...

Hertz may as well change it's name to "Hurts".
 
ObamacareFail said:
Hertz may as well change it's name to "Hurts".
Click to expand...

They are not punishing the NRA by taking away discounts, they are punishing NRA members, but only the ones that are their own customers! How stupid is that?
Former customers. What a great business decision.
 
Rickeroo said:
This is a good point. The focus is the 2nd Amendment. Those that are anti-NRA are also more likely to be against self-reliance, and tend to support democratic candidates (anti-affluence).

In the crossfire is the ancient right to bear arms, being used as a proxy for more basic political arguments by the left. This tactic overreaches, and can be countered when the argument goes back to the rights of the citizen to own a gun. The NRA supports the right of black citizens in Baltimore to own guns. Those that are against the NRA want to take those guns out of the hands of the black citizens of Baltimore, and put those guns in the hands of the very trustworthy Baltimore Police Department, and the even more trustworthy Ferguson PD.

The right needs to realize that the NRA argument is merely a proxy for more deeply held leftist beliefs, among the most sacred of these is black victimization.
Click to expand...

It amazes me how some people demonize a group who's mission is to promote responsible gun ownership.
 
Anthony60 said:
They are not punishing the NRA by taking away discounts, they are punishing NRA members, but only the ones that are their own customers! How stupid is that?
Former customers. What a great business decision.
Click to expand...

Agreed. It is an incredibly stupid business decision I am a lifetime NRA member. In effect, they are telling me that they do not want my business. No problem. I'll take it elsewhere.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom