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These companies have cut ties with the NRA

leekohler2 said:
Actually, it didn't backfire at all. Chick Fil A stopped donating to anti-gay organizations shortly after.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...ends-anti-gay-donations-moves-chicago/323467/



It's actually very good. And since they stopped their anti-gay donations, I go there quite a bit.
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Nice try, however the boycott was all about the CEO simply giving his own opinion on one specific occasion . Nothing else. And the call to boycott Chick Filet absolutely did backfire as the response was a massive number of Christians and 1st amendment supporters showing up and patronizing Chick Filet.

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Top Cat said:
Yawn.
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Why is this your response? What I stated was the truth. It may not line up with the emotional backlash and the current MSM push against the NRA (which I have no issues with either way, I have no use for the NRA), but they had nothing to do with this event, so why is everyone going after them as if they were somehow involved.

Some times bad people to bad things and a lot of innocent people get hurt. It sucks but it's true. Alcohol is a direct contributing factor in more violent and accidental deaths than guns are. There are almost equal numbers of DWI fatality crashes as there are gun deaths (9-10K each). Why aren't we boycotting distilleries and breweries? There are something like 80-90K alcohol related deaths every year. That is around 9-10X the number of gun deaths. And the delta is even greater when you factor in how many gun deaths were the result of "assault weapons."

All I'm saying is we have to use some common sense and not let emotions get in the way of addressing the problem of violent homicide. A lot of time and resources get wasted trying to affix blame where it doesn't belong.
 
Lerxst said:
Why is this your response? What I stated was the truth. It may not line up with the emotional backlash and the current MSM push against the NRA (which I have no issues with either way, I have no use for the NRA), but they had nothing to do with this event, so why is everyone going after them as if they were somehow involved.

Some times bad people to bad things and a lot of innocent people get hurt. It sucks but it's true. Alcohol is a direct contributing factor in more violent and accidental deaths than guns are. There are almost equal numbers of DWI fatality crashes as there are gun deaths (9-10K each). Why aren't we boycotting distilleries and breweries? There are something like 80-90K alcohol related deaths every year. That is around 9-10X the number of gun deaths. And the delta is even greater when you factor in how many gun deaths were the result of "assault weapons."

All I'm saying is we have to use some common sense and not let emotions get in the way of addressing the problem of violent homicide. A lot of time and resources get wasted trying to affix blame where it doesn't belong.
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Your point about alcohol is spot-on; that's why we tried but failed with Prohibition.
We all know that prohibiting anything in our society leads to proliferation of what is prohibited.
We also know that the five crime families as we know them were born out of Prohibition,
though some may claim that is a CT.

Attacking the NRA only further divides a divided nation into polarized camps.
Solving the effect of alcohol in conjunction with psychotropics would go a long way to dealing with PTSD behavior exhibited by any American.

I see actions like the following from Dick's Sporting Goods at the ground level to be far more effective:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dicks-sporting-goods-assault-rifles_us_5a969cece4b07dffeb6e3d77

I see our schools dealing with our problems at the Local level, in conjunction with City and Police Officials, etc..
The time for us to wait on action from federal and state politicians is over.
Tomorrow I'll be attending a forum at a local HS.
I can certainly tell you this: everything's on the table and we will solve this problem ...
 
ObamacareFail said:
Nice try, however the boycott was all about the CEO simply giving his own opinion on one specific occasion . Nothing else. And the call to boycott Chick Filet absolutely did backfire as the response was a massive number of Christians and 1st amendment supporters showing up and patronizing Chick Filet.

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No, it was not about that. Don't even try to make this about an opinion. It certainly was not. It was about their donations to anti-gay organizations. And their donations stopped after Cathey reached out to some people in the gay community. Do you deny they stopped? I posted a link for you. I have plenty more if you need them. And no ones 1st amendment rights were ever at issue.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-l-windmeyer/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a_b_2564379.html

Good for Dan Cathey. Read the article. As a gay man myself, I'm fine with Chick-Fil-A now that they stopped those donations. Anybody can think whatever they want, but actions are where I draw the line.
 
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Ahlevah said:
NRA members need to get new hats that read "JEW."
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Am I detecting a whole bunch of antisemitism here? Calling NRA members Jews. Just when I think I had seen it all on this site, someone comes along with a very dumb bigoted remark. Take your Jew hating somewhere else, please.
 
NIMBY said:
Your point about alcohol is spot-on; that's why we tried but failed with Prohibition.
We all know that prohibiting anything in our society leads to proliferation of what is prohibited.
We also know that the five crime families as we know them were born out of Prohibition,
though some may claim that is a CT.

Attacking the NRA only further divides a divided nation into polarized camps.
Solving the effect of alcohol in conjunction with psychotropics would go a long way to dealing with PTSD behavior exhibited by any American.

I see actions like the following from Dick's Sporting Goods at the ground level to be far more effective:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dicks-sporting-goods-assault-rifles_us_5a969cece4b07dffeb6e3d77

I see our schools dealing with our problems at the Local level, in conjunction with City and Police Officials, etc..
The time for us to wait on action from federal and state politicians is over.
Tomorrow I'll be attending a forum at a local HS.
I can certainly tell you this: everything's on the table and we will solve this problem ...
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Great response. The federal government isn't going to be able to solve this. Everything at their level is too political, it's sweeping and not granular enough. It's also reactionary and temporary. Local jurisdictions are best suited to develop strategies to secure their schools and deal with problematic individuals, address red flags, and intervene before something happens. They will be more committed to solving their specific issues and, hopefully, remain vigilant.

What the government can do is provide more in the way of resources to communities that are taking a proactive approach to physically securing their facilities, more funding for SRO's, and more resources for developing strategies that bring the schools, mental health professionals, juvenile justice, the courts, and law enforcement together. With regard to SRO's, I know small towns and cities that have one SRO for three schools - they readily admit that the likelihood of the officer being in the right building at the right time is very low, but have no resources to hire more. I also believe we need to rethink the traditional way law enforcement deals with juveniles. There is simply too many communication breaks due to different agencies not being allowed to share certain information with others, simply because of the age of the problem child. That would require legislative action, but it's got merit.

This problem is simply too complex and nuanced for an "assault weapons ban" to fix. The idea of a ban on AR15's and AK's and other "military style" weapons is easy for people to get behind because it simple. Those guns are identified as the enemy, and the message is that getting rid of them will stop our children from being massacred. It's really very similar to the way the way the border wall is used to convince people it's needed to prevent illegal immigration.
 
Perotista said:
Am I detecting a whole bunch of antisemitism here? Calling NRA members Jews. Just when I think I had seen it all on this site, someone comes along with a very dumb bigoted remark. Take your Jew hating somewhere else, please.
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I think the reference is to denote that NRA members are being persecuted. Hat with "JEW" on it, Jews who had the star of David during the holocaust.
 
Praxas said:
Yep because NRA members are getting hunted down, gassed and then their bodies are either being put in unmarked graves by the 10s of thousands or burned in massive fires. :roll:

Here’s a hint, criticism and boycotting is not a war crime nor are you a victim.
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Innocent guns owners certainly are victims of you and your ilk.

As the good Jewish people in the ghettos demonstrated in WWII, the Nazi's were less likely to toss them into the burners willy nilly without being shot at.

Stick to your usual nonsense please.
 
Lerxst said:
Great response. The federal government isn't going to be able to solve this. Everything at their level is too political, it's sweeping and not granular enough. It's also reactionary and temporary. Local jurisdictions are best suited to develop strategies to secure their schools and deal with problematic individuals, address red flags, and intervene before something happens. They will be more committed to solving their specific issues and, hopefully, remain vigilant.

What the government can do is provide more in the way of resources to communities that are taking a proactive approach to physically securing their facilities, more funding for SRO's, and more resources for developing strategies that bring the schools, mental health professionals, juvenile justice, the courts, and law enforcement together. With regard to SRO's, I know small towns and cities that have one SRO for three schools - they readily admit that the likelihood of the officer being in the right building at the right time is very low, but have no resources to hire more. I also believe we need to rethink the traditional way law enforcement deals with juveniles. There is simply too many communication breaks due to different agencies not being allowed to share certain information with others, simply because of the age of the problem child. That would require legislative action, but it's got merit.

This problem is simply too complex and nuanced for an "assault weapons ban" to fix. The idea of a ban on AR15's and AK's and other "military style" weapons is easy for people to get behind because it simple. Those guns are identified as the enemy, and the message is that getting rid of them will stop our children from being massacred. It's really very similar to the way the way the border wall is used to convince people it's needed to prevent illegal immigration.
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I used a lot of analogies as a Chem/Physics teacher--had to. So I'll use the ideal gas equation. PV = nRT.
You can't solve for R, the ideal gas constant, without knowing P, V, n, and T.
We can't solve this American safety issue without dealing with all of the variables.

We could certainly apply Pressure, Volume, moles (from mass) and Temperature in Kelvins to all of the important variables in the safety problem.

Pressure comes from all of the different lobbies.
Volume comes from the loudest of these lobbies.
Mass of course would be every human involved, and all of the mental problems.
Temperature could be the many different inanimate objects ...
 
Lerxst said:
I think the reference is to denote that NRA members are being persecuted. Hat with "JEW" on it, Jews who had the star of David during the holocaust.
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That's not the way it came across, at least to me.
 
Perotista said:
That's not the way it came across, at least to me.
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I may have been wrong. I found the comparison distasteful, simply because of the way in which it cheapened the horrors that the Jews faced by trying to draw some kind of comparison to the NRA members losing their 5% discount on airfare or something.
 
NIMBY said:
I used a lot of analogies as a Chem/Physics teacher--had to. So I'll use the ideal gas equation. PV = nRT.
You can't solve for R, the ideal gas constant, without knowing P, V, n, and T.
We can't solve this American safety issue without dealing with all of the variables.

We could certainly apply Pressure, Volume, moles (from mass) and Temperature in Kelvins to all of the important variables in the safety problem.

Pressure comes from all of the different lobbies.
Volume comes from the loudest of these lobbies.
Mass of course would be every human involved, and all of the mental problems.
Temperature could be the many different inanimate objects ...
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I think that was a great analogy, NIMBY.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Here's a clue: Soros doesn't speak for the Left and never has. Yeah, he's one of your side's "boogeymen" that they scare their children with: "If you don't behave, George Soros is going to sneak up on you and zap you with his gay ray!"
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Yeah, I get that he doesn't speak for the Left, but he, along with other well-heeled progressives, supplies a significant portion of Media Matters' budget. So your source scores a big, fat zero for objectivity. I rank it somewhere just above the Southern Poverty Law Center (barely). They're in the negative.
 
Ahlevah said:
Yeah, I get that he doesn't speak for the Left, but he, along with other well-heeled progressives, supplies a significant portion of Media Matters' budget. So your source scores a big, fat zero for objectivity. I rank it somewhere just above the Southern Poverty Law Center (barely). They're in the negative.
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And what you did was condemn what Media Matters says - not because of what Media Matters said...but because it was Media Matters that says it. What you did NOT do was to find out whether what they said was true BEFORE you condemned them.

That's why, with the sole exception of InfoWars, when someone posts a quote from Breitbart or RedState or Daily Caller, I read the quote and determine whether or not their claim is true BEFORE I dismiss the claim.

Try that sometime. You'll be surprised at how many times the people you despise the most actually give you factual information.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And what you did was condemn what Media Matters says - not because of what Media Matters said...but because it was Media Matters that says it. What you did NOT do was to find out whether what they said was true BEFORE you condemned them.
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Well, I discussed with you what I did read, such as the information on Nugent and Whittle, and I found it wanting. I mean, I'll read something from Xinhua or watch RT on occasion, but I always take what they write or say with a grain of salt. At least they do a pretty good job of faking accuracy. :shrug:
 
RetiredUSN said:
Innocent guns owners certainly are victims of you and your ilk.

As the good Jewish people in the ghettos demonstrated in WWII, the Nazi's were less likely to toss them into the burners willy nilly without being shot at.

Stick to your usual nonsense please.
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This is where you show your ignorance. Show me where I am anti-2nd amendment, with actual quotes. Just because I don’t believe the NRA is persecuted like the Jews were by the Nazis doesn’t make me anti-2nd amendment. You sir just showed why your comments are nothing but idiotic rants and dishonesty.
 
leekohler2 said:
No, it was not about that. Don't even try to make this about an opinion. It certainly was not. It was about their donations to anti-gay organizations. And their donations stopped after Cathey reached out to some people in the gay community. Do you deny they stopped? I posted a link for you. I have plenty more if you need them. And no ones 1st amendment rights were ever at issue.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-l-windmeyer/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a_b_2564379.html

Good for Dan Cathey. Read the article. As a gay man myself, I'm fine with Chick-Fil-A now that they stopped those donations. Anybody can think whatever they want, but actions are where I draw the line.
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I am glad that you agree with the last part as we do not want to become a nation of thought police. However as I recall, it was just the stated opinion of the founder that started the boycott. What donations to whatever groups later followed.

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