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NBC News: Former Trump Campaign Aide Rick Gates Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy, Lying

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WASHINGTON — Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates pleaded guilty Friday to conspiracy and to lying to investigators — even while he was negotiating a deal with prosecutors. It makes him the third associate of the president to strike a cooperation agreement with special counsel Robert Mueller.

The agreement, which requires Gates to cooperate on "all matters" prosecutors deem relevant, turns up the pressure on Paul Manafort, a close business associate of Gates who was the chairman of the Trump campaign.

It appears to be a good deal for both sides. Gates could get as little as probation if he keeps up his end of the bargain and Mueller's case from Manafort morphs from one built on paper evidence to one where the star witness worked hand-in-hand with the defendant.
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Source: NBC News: Former Trump Campaign Aide Rick Gates Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy, Lying

Much anticipated, but now it's reality as of 2:00P today.

What I find interesting, is Gates didn't just plead to the process crime of lying, but also of a financial crime. He pleaded to both crimes as individual counts.

But even more interesting, he copped to a conspiracy plea. A conspiracy leaves far more ability to involve others, and even allows an exception to the hearsay rule in the courtroom for conversations between co-conspirators. I must also point-out that the recent 13 Russian indictments, were also for conspiracy. So with conspiracy, there's now a heck of a lot of latitude as to where this investigation can go, even if the underlying base crimes were never consummated, and any individuals providing furtherance have serious potential legal exposure.

This thing is really opening up.
 
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Chomsky said:
Source: NBC News: Former Trump Campaign Aide Rick Gates Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy, Lying

Much anticipated, but now it's reality as of 2:00P today.

What I find interesting, is Gates didn't just plead to the process crime of lying, but also of a financial crime. He pleaded to both crimes as individual counts.

But even more interesting, he copped to a conspiracy plea. A conspiracy leaves far more ability to involve others, and even allows an exception to the hearsay rule in the courtroom for conversations between co-conspirators. I must also point-out that the recent 13 Russian indictments, were also for conspiracy. So with conspiracy, there's now a heck of a lot of latitude as to where this investigation can go, even if the underlying base crimes were never consummated, and any individuals providing furtherance have serious potential legal exposure.

This thing is really opening up.
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Dude, I'm confused. Why is this a RIP thread?
 
The agreement, which requires Gates to cooperate on "all matters" prosecutors deem relevant, appears to be a good deal for both sides. Gates could get as little as probation if he keeps up his end of the bargain and Mueller's case from Manafort morphs from one built on paper evidence to one where the star witness worked hand-in-hand with the defendant.
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Carrot and a stick. Gates sings like a canary and he gets off. Whatever he knows is definitely coming out.

Anyways, regarding the conspiracy thing, that's just for his conspiring with Manafort in their tax evasion scheme AFAIK.

Also, this is some juicy stuff:

In addition, Gates admits that even while he was negotiating a deal with Mueller, he lied about a March 19, 2013, meeting attended by Manafort, a lobbyist, and Rep. Dana Rohrabacher. He told investigators that Ukraine had not been discussed when he knew it was.
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Rohrabacher could get pulled into this if Gates knows that this meeting was anything other than just a political discussion. But it's very telling that he originally lied and is now telling the truth about it. First, it means that there's likely something there that is off (why lie about it?), and second it shows the extent to which Gates is now cooperating (by admitting his lie).
 
Mr Person said:
His life is effectively over if technically not?
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Rules are different than regular threads. Just figured brain fart kinda thing. I have those on a regular basis.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: NBC News: Former Trump Campaign Aide Rick Gates Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy, Lying

Much anticipated, but now it's reality as of 2:00P today.

What I find interesting, is Gates didn't just plead to the process crime of lying, but also of a financial crime. He pleaded to both crimes as individual counts.

But even more interesting, he copped to a conspiracy plea. A conspiracy leaves far more ability to involve others, and even allows an exception to the hearsay rule in the courtroom for conversations between co-conspirators. I must also point-out that the recent 13 Russian indictments, were also for conspiracy. So with conspiracy, there's now a heck of a lot of latitude as to where this investigation can go, even if the underlying base crimes were never consummated, and any individuals providing furtherance have serious potential legal exposure.

This thing is really opening up.
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I am always learning about US laws, and what is or is not admissible. Thank you for that tidbit

Some nervous retired EU Politicians now looking for lawyers.
People all over the world going to Jail due to Mueller's skill & tenacity. Good Damn, I like that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-trump-campaign-aide-rick-gates-set-plead-guilty-n849256
Further squeezing Manafort, Mueller lodged new charges in a superseding indictment Friday, alleging he secretly hired a group of former senior European politicians to promote positions favorable to Ukraine in the United States. He allegedly paid the ex-pols, dubbed the "Hapsburg Group," $2 million euros from offshore accounts, and they lobbied members of Congress and other U.S. officials.
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Khayembii Communique said:
Carrot and a stick. Gates sings like a canary and he gets off. Whatever he knows is definitely coming out.

Anyways, regarding the conspiracy thing, that's just for his conspiring with Manafort in their tax evasion scheme AFAIK.

Also, this is some juicy stuff:



Rohrabacher could get pulled into this if Gates knows that this meeting was anything other than just a political discussion. But it's very telling that he originally lied and is now telling the truth about it. First, it means that there's likely something there that is off (why lie about it?), and second it shows the extent to which Gates is now cooperating (by admitting his lie).
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Whoa! And with the changing of the GOP platform to favor Russia, this thing could now be reaching into the Republican Party, at least in investigatory terms.
 
Chomsky said:
Whoa! And with the changing of the GOP platform to favor Russia, this thing could now be reaching into the Republican Party, at least in investigatory terms.
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No it isn't. Trump asked Putin if there was anything to it, and Putin said no. So Trump says nothing to see here, move along. No collusion. LOL.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Rules are different than regular threads. Just figured brain fart kinda thing. I have those on a regular basis.
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Oh, I know. Just an attempt at minor amusement
 
JANFU said:
I am always learning about US laws, and what is or is not admissible. Thank you for that tidbit

Some nervous EU Politicians now looking for lawyers.
People all over the world going to Jail due to Mueller's skill & tenacity. Good Damn, I like that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-trump-campaign-aide-rick-gates-set-plead-guilty-n849256
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Mueller's really cleaning house, and I like it. After the very first indictments last year, where one of the charges was for not registering as foreign agents, apparently there was a run of swampers rushing to register as foreign agents. Not a slight increase, but an increase of muliple hundreds of percent!

As to the new indictment just now on Manafort, it's apparently directly from Gate's testimony. It probably deserves it's own thread, but I'll try to post something here. Hell, this investigation might deserve it's own sub-forum. :2razz:
 
danarhea said:
No it isn't. Trump asked Putin if there was anything to it, and Putin said no. So Trump says nothing to see here, move along. No collusion. LOL.
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Lies!


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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...p-doubts-putin-russia-meddling-multiple-times

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Chomsky said:
Or now that he flipped, the lives of those he's singing about are over?
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I love the smell of schadenfreude in the mor....afternoon...
 
NonoBadDog said:
Rules are different than regular threads. Just figured brain fart kinda thing. I have those on a regular basis.
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Nah. When I scroll up & down on my OP posts when composing them in BN, if my cursor is in the "title" field, the arrow keys accidentally flip the RIP designator off & on.

This happened to me before, but I didn't catch it in time to edit it. Gotta' keep on eye on that next time.

BTW, I owe you a reply in another thread from the other day.
 
Chomsky said:
Nah. When I scroll up & down on my OP posts when composing them in BN, if my cursor is in the "title" field, the arrow keys accidentally flip the RIP designator off & on.

This happened to me before, but I didn't catch it in time to edit it. Gotta' keep on eye on that next time.

BTW, I owe you a reply in another thread from the other day.
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I hope it's not about giving me flowers. Had enough of those today.
 
Chomsky said:
Mueller's really cleaning house, and I like it. After the very first indictments last year, where one of the charges was for not registering as foreign agents, apparently there was a run of swampers rushing to register as foreign agents. Not a slight increase, but an increase of muliple hundreds of percent!

As to the new indictment just now on Manafort, it's apparently directly from Gate's testimony. It probably deserves it's own thread, but I'll try to post something here. Hell, this investigation might deserve it's own sub-forum. :2razz:
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Agreed a separate sub forum would be great as we have so much info being posted. Perhaps older threads could be accessible in a sub forum? Mueller is making so much breaking news, and that is where people post it.

And I laugh my ass off at those that were crying, Mueller no charges last fall, guess they need another line.
If I ever found the time I would go back thru older threads and make a mass thread on those denial posts, Deep State, corrupted DOJ-FBI and the Intelligence agencies.
Perhaps I will, see their rebuttals.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
In addition, Gates admits that even while he was negotiating a deal with Mueller, he lied about a March 19, 2013, meeting attended by Manafort, a lobbyist, and Rep. Dana Rohrabacher. He told investigators that Ukraine had not been discussed when he knew it was.
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Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R/CA) is easily the most pro-Russia individual in Congress.
 
danarhea said:
No it isn't. Trump asked Putin if there was anything to it, and Putin said no. So Trump says nothing to see here, move along. No collusion. LOL.
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Oh, fine then. Good enough for me! :2razz:

But we've got to remember, Flynn either lied to Pence, or Pence is saying he lied. And Preibus was an integral top-level operative in the administration, ostensibly privy to great deal of information & strategizing.

They may have legal exposure, even if incident or inadvertent. Same for Sessions, who to me sure comes across as squirrelly.
 
This is turning out to be the most successful witch hunt since salem.
I wish I could draw I would do a cartoon with trump with a witches hat on with a broomstick in his hand running away and screaming...:)
 
Mr Person said:
I love the smell of schadenfreude in the mor....afternoon...
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I've always loved that word. Along with "chutzpah", for some reason. So old school. Just like "malarkey". (my pop's old favorite)
 
Chomsky said:
Source: NBC News: Former Trump Campaign Aide Rick Gates Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy, Lying

Much anticipated, but now it's reality as of 2:00P today.

What I find interesting, is Gates didn't just plead to the process crime of lying, but also of a financial crime. He pleaded to both crimes as individual counts.

But even more interesting, he copped to a conspiracy plea. A conspiracy leaves far more ability to involve others, and even allows an exception to the hearsay rule in the courtroom for conversations between co-conspirators. I must also point-out that the recent 13 Russian indictments, were also for conspiracy. So with conspiracy, there's now a heck of a lot of latitude as to where this investigation can go, even if the underlying base crimes were never consummated, and any individuals providing furtherance have serious potential legal exposure.

This thing is really opening up.
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I don't know what Gates has agreed to, but I don't think it's necessarily anything about collusion. My guess is that if it's anything useful, it has to do with the Trump Tower meeting, and what truly came out of it.

But this deal just solidifies what many of us knew in late 2015, Manafort is going to be eating cheese sandwiches and hot-pockets for a long time, unless the Mad Hatter wants to use the pardon button.
 
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