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NBC News: Former Trump Campaign Aide Rick Gates Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy, Lying

JANFU said:
Agreed a separate sub forum would be great as we have so much info being posted. Perhaps older threads could be accessible in a sub forum? Mueller is making so much breaking news, and that is where people post it.

And I laugh my ass off at those that were crying, Mueller no charges last fall, guess they need another line.
If I ever found the time I would go back thru older threads and make a mass thread on those denial posts, deep State, corrupted DOJ-FBI and the Intelligence agencies.
Perhaps I will, see their rebuttals.
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Yeah, it might be interesting to have one area where all this stuff could be referenced. But then we risk balkanizing the forum, which has it's own problems.

I'd like to touch on a Kushner issue that is complicated & not the direct subject of an article, but will need to toss it into General Discussion or such. Or maybe find a recent article with one component, and expound in my comments.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, it might be interesting to have one area where all this stuff could be referenced. But then we risk balkanizing the forum, which has it's own problems.

I'd like to touch on a Kushner issue that is complicated & not the direct subject of an article, but will need to toss it into General Discussion or such. Or maybe find an recent article with one component, and expound in my comments.
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Pls let me now when you do
 
JANFU said:
I am always learning about US laws, and what is or is not admissible. Thank you for that tidbit

Some nervous retired EU Politicians now looking for lawyers.
People all over the world going to Jail due to Mueller's skill & tenacity. Good Damn, I like that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-trump-campaign-aide-rick-gates-set-plead-guilty-n849256
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I'm waiting for it to cross the 49th,

This past few months have revealed a massive conspiracy fraud/money laundering scheme involving British Columbia casinos. RCMP Fraud section will only say it is a "nation wide" investigation and there are Americans who are "persons of interest."

Just a likely the Horsemen will trip over their own dicks and think they invented sausage.
 
MovingPictures said:
I don't know what Gates has agreed to, but I don't think it's necessarily anything about collusion. My guess is that if it's anything useful, it has to do with the Trump Tower meeting, and what truly came out of it.

But this deal just solidifies what many of us knew in late 2015, Manafort is going to be eating cheese sandwiches and hot-pockets for a long time, unless the Mad Hatter wants to use the pardon button.
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Well after all his is "bigger" and it "works"...
 
Fearandloathing said:
I'm waiting for it to cross the 49th,

This past few months have revealed a massive conspiracy fraud/money laundering scheme involving British Columbia casinos. RCMP Fraud section will only say it is a "nation wide" investigation and there are Americans who are "persons of interest."

Just a likely the Horsemen will trip over their own dicks and think they invented sausage.
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That has been ongoing for about a decade, and includes real estate to drugs.
But yes, they should get off their respective asses.
 
GDViking said:
Well after all his is "bigger" and it "works"...
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The one thing he doesn't have to worry about is unwanted sexual advances -- the guy is un****able.
 
Chomsky said:
Oh, fine then. Good enough for me! :2razz:

But we've got to remember, Flynn either lied to Pence, or Pence is saying he lied. And Preibus was an integral top-level operative in the administration, ostensibly privy to great deal of information & strategizing.

They may have legal exposure, even if incident or inadvertent. Same for Sessions, who to me sure comes across as squirrelly.
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That's the ticket.;)

As for Sessions, that prick should be worried if Mueller goes after him for perjury and obstruction for his testimony in front of Congress.
 
MovingPictures said:
That's the ticket.;)

As for Sessions, that prick should be worried if Mueller goes after him for perjury and obstruction for his testimony in front of Congress.
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Thing is, if this thing grows into the Republican Party, it ensures Trump's safety. It is becoming existential to the Repubs. They can't cop to it, or they get politicaly decimated. So I don't see any change to their silence & and inaction. Barring a huge Blue wave in November. If really huge, that might wake them up. But I wouldn't count on it.
 
Chomsky said:
Oh, fine then. Good enough for me! :2razz:

But we've got to remember, Flynn either lied to Pence, or Pence is saying he lied. And Preibus was an integral top-level operative in the administration, ostensibly privy to great deal of information & strategizing.

They may have legal exposure, even if incident or inadvertent. Same for Sessions, who to me sure comes across as squirrelly.
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I don't know many regular GOPs willing to die on Mt. Manafort.
Gates hiding behind his children as a reason to plead out is symptomatic of today's trump gop, not the real GOP.

trump gops are the ones hiding behind more guns in schools,
when they weren't willing to take up arms when it was their turn.

This is not a time for any non-trump gop to think they're winning.
No one is winning in this Nation irl right now; though we do see our students winning in their extracurricular activities.

Whether it's guns in one hand, or the world-wide mafia in the other, it is incumbent upon those older folks
like you and I to have the backs of the younger generations, as well as the back of Mr. Mueller ...
 
Chomsky said:
Thing is, if this thing grows into the Republican Party, it ensures Trump's safety. It is becoming existential to the Repubs. They can't cop to it, or they get politicaly decimated. So I don't see any change to their silence & and inaction. Barring a huge Blue wave in November. If really huge, that might wake them up. But I wouldn't count on it.
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I think at this point the GOP has a messaging problem.

The way they've responded to gun violence has alienated a large section of the public -- people see them as extremists. That's going to hurt them big time in the midterms, perhaps more so than anything Trump has done as president. So while I'm sure they want to protect Sessions in this investigation, they've also officially got to worry about their own ass.
 
GDViking said:
This is turning out to be the most successful witch hunt since salem.
I wish I could draw I would do a cartoon with trump with a witches hat on with a broomstick in his hand running away and screaming...:)
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No need, someone is always thinking along the same lines.

Witch Hunt.jpg
 
NIMBY said:
I don't know many regular GOPs willing to die on Mt. Manafort.
Gates hiding behind his children as a reason to plead out is symptomatic of today's trump gop, not the real GOP.

trump gops are the ones hiding behind more guns in schools,
when they weren't willing to take up arms when it was their turn.

This is not a time for any non-trump gop to think they're winning.
No one is winning in this Nation irl right now; though we do see our students winning in their extracurricular activities.

Whether it's guns in one hand, or the world-wide mafia in the other, it is incumbent upon those older folks
like you and I to have the backs of the younger generations, as well as the back of Mr. Mueller ...
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I get worried that my kids are a little too conforming, despite my pushing them in the other direction. I have no idea what's up with that.

But at my kid's Catholic high school they like to see them politically active, and as so popular in Catholic social teaching, they accept reasonable non-violent civil disobedience. But the teachers had to caution the kids that civil disobedience can have more severe consequence for the kids today, than for the teachers generations ago. Kids today can suffer from even a minor arrest & dismissal, versus the minimal effect that had in the 60's & 70's.

It was an interesting discussion with my kid that evening, and I'm glad the school discussed this with the kids. I'm really impressed the school is entertaining discussions of this nature.
 
I think I can safely assume that Gates will be testifying against Manafort. Which brings us back to the six million dollar question: if it were certain that a guilty verdict would result, would that be enough to make Manafort more frightened of dying in prison than of angry Russian mobsters?

That seems like the ultimate barrier: how do you make someone more frightened of you than of Lucifer himself?
 
Cardinal said:
I think I can safely assume that Gates will be testifying against Manafort. Which brings us back to the six million dollar question: if it were certain that a guilty verdict would result, would that be enough to make Manafort more frightened of dying in prison than of angry Russian mobsters?
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He just figures he will do like trump and eat McDonald's.
 
MovingPictures said:
I think at this point the GOP has a messaging problem.

The way they've responded to gun violence has alienated a large section of the public -- people see them as extremists. That's going to hurt them big time in the midterms, perhaps more so than anything Trump has done as president. So while I'm sure they want to protect Sessions in this investigation, they've also officially got to worry about their own ass.
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Yes. But if you watched Trump at CPAC today, you'll see their message is perfect for their constituency, down to "Lock her up".

The GOP establishment are not interested in you, I, or those that don't agree with them. They could care less. They care about maintaining their hold on power by maintaining their base, and **** everyone & everything else.

Take 2:42, to see if I'm wrong:


 
Cardinal said:
I think I can safely assume that Gates will be testifying against Manafort. Which brings us back to the six million dollar question: if it were certain that a guilty verdict would result, would that be enough to make Manafort more frightened of dying in prison than of angry Russian mobsters?

That seems like the ultimate barrier: how do you make someone more frightened of you than of Lucifer himself?
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And let's not forget Manafort might be thinking:

"I'm so ****ed here, the only thing that can save me is a pardon!"
 
Chomsky said:
And let's not forget Manafort might be thinking:

"I'm so ****ed here, the only thing that can save me is a pardon!"
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Except we've covered that ground already, assuming it's true that he's just as screwed with the NY AG on his ass.
 
Chomsky said:
I get worried that my kids are a little too conforming, despite my pushing them in the other direction. I have no idea what's up with that.

But at my kid's Catholic high school they like to see them politically active, and as so popular in Catholic social teaching, they accept reasonable non-violent civil disobedience. But the teachers had to caution the kids that civil disobedience can have more severe consequence for the kids today, than for the teachers generations ago. Kids today can suffer from even a minor arrest & dismissal, versus the minimal effect that had in the 60's & 70's.

It was an interesting discussion with my kid that evening, and I'm glad the school discussed this with the kids. I'm really impressed the school is entertaining discussions of this nature.
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We will continue to lose every battle in this war of attrition, but we will win the war.
We will win the war from the ground up, since we can't be protected by federal, state and county authorities.

I will continue to tell you of all the great things happening in our schools.
Now, I must work on mental projects, one due tomorrow.

I forgot my golden rule of posting for a few moments, posting to others not like you ...
 
NIMBY said:
We will continue to lose every battle in this war of attrition, but we will win the war.
We will win the war from the ground up, since we can't be protected by federal, state and county authorities.

I will continue to tell you of all the great things happening in our schools.
Now, I must work on mental projects, one due tomorrow.

I forgot my golden rule of posting for a few moments, posting to others not like you ...
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Well, I will say this: It is very much feeling again like "the people" vs "them" as of late, reminiscent of Nixon, the war, and 68-73. Déjà vu all over again, except we now have an added entity, that being corporate & high-worth individual wealth having a much freer reign in influence.

So it seems we now have a triumvirate at the top, that being the President, the GOP Congress, and moneyed interests, all in control of our government.

"Us" vs the "them" may not be fully accurate, but you are right in that we are now on our own. Our protection, must rise from the bottom. We can no longer count on the top to execute our best interests, for now. And of course our most powerful tool, and the one that will win the day, is our vote.

Regardless of Mueller's final impact, if he ever runs for president he has my vote in spades. Right now, he looks like the man in Washington with the most integrity. And we are badly lacking in integrity.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, I will say this: It is very much feeling again like "the people" vs "them" as of late, reminiscent of Nixon, the war, and 68-73. Déjà vu all over again, except we now have an added entity, that being corporate & high-worth individual wealth having a much freer reign in influence.

So it seems we now have a triumvirate at the top, that being the President, the GOP Congress, and moneyed interests, all in control of our government.

"Us" vs the "them" may not be fully accurate, but you are right in that we are now on our own. Our protection, must rise from the bottom. We can no longer count on the top to execute our best interests, for now. And of course our most powerful tool, and the one that will win the day, is our vote.

Regardless of Mueller's final impact, if he ever runs for president he has my vote in spades. Right now, he looks like the man in Washington with the most integrity. And we are badly lacking in integrity.
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Imagine how history will treat Mr. Mueller compared to the world-wide mafia he's bringing down.
Mr. Rosenstein is currently withstanding withering sleazeball attacks from trumpacs.

Everything we hold sacred is being bastardized and destroyed by these gop czars, with current gops in office complicit.
As I've said before, the only good thing about these 'people' is that they will soon die off ...
 
Chomsky said:
Well, I will say this: It is very much feeling again like "the people" vs "them" as of late, reminiscent of Nixon, the war, and 68-73. Déjà vu all over again, except we now have an added entity, that being corporate & high-worth individual wealth having a much freer reign in influence.

So it seems we now have a triumvirate at the top, that being the President, the GOP Congress, and moneyed interests, all in control of our government.

"Us" vs the "them" may not be fully accurate, but you are right in that we are now on our own. Our protection, must rise from the bottom. We can no longer count on the top to execute our best interests, for now. And of course our most powerful tool, and the one that will win the day, is our vote.

Regardless of Mueller's final impact, if he ever runs for president he has my vote in spades. Right now, he looks like the man in Washington with the most integrity. And we are badly lacking in integrity.
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As very pro gun as I am and disagree with propositions being made, what I see happening I the awakening of a whole new community of voters, first it was the women, now it is the youth.

If I were the koch brothers and the NRA I would start backing many democrats or it is going to be the end of their control of government.
 
Chomsky said:
Whoa! And with the changing of the GOP platform to favor Russia, this thing could now be reaching into the Republican Party, at least in investigatory terms.
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The platform change is probably secondary as important, significant, revealing as it is. The major point out of the Cleveland Convention is that Manafort was brought in to secure the delegates and the Republican Party nomination. Securing the nomination was number one. Clinching the deal. The closing of more than 12 months of scheming. To go on from there Scott Free.



Chomsky said:
I'd like to touch on a Kushner issue that is complicated & not the direct subject of an article, but will need to toss it into General Discussion or such. Or maybe find a recent article with one component, and expound in my comments.
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Kushner and Manafort = Zero Pay. Their fiduciary interests lie elsewhere, i.e., in the nature of their, um, job description.



Rogue Valley said:
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R/CA) is easily the most pro-Russia individual in Congress.
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Another Russophile. Putinphile. One of many Russophiles in the Republican party and among people who call themselves Independent and also Libertarian Right or of a number who just plain call themselves Libertarian.



Cardinal said:
I think I can safely assume that Gates will be testifying against Manafort. Which brings us back to the six million dollar question: if it were certain that a guilty verdict would result, would that be enough to make Manafort more frightened of dying in prison than of angry Russian mobsters?

That seems like the ultimate barrier: how do you make someone more frightened of you than of Lucifer himself?
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It's apparent Mueller and his prosecutoral team have a profound contempt of Manafort. They told Manafort he was going to be indicted and made it public. They knocked through Manafort's door at dawn to seize his records before he could do anything with 'em -- they didn't wait for Manafort to come to the door. Mueller has charged Manafort with "Conspiracy Against the United States." Gates has the identical charge in the law as do the 13 Russians. Methinks Mueller knows or has evidence Manafort is a literal Russian agent. Which would of course also implicate Gates in the identical state of affairs. Others such as Flynn might simply be Friends of Vlad.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: NBC News: Former Trump Campaign Aide Rick Gates Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy, Lying

Much anticipated, but now it's reality as of 2:00P today.

What I find interesting, is Gates didn't just plead to the process crime of lying, but also of a financial crime. He pleaded to both crimes as individual counts.

But even more interesting, he copped to a conspiracy plea. A conspiracy leaves far more ability to involve others, and even allows an exception to the hearsay rule in the courtroom for conversations between co-conspirators. I must also point-out that the recent 13 Russian indictments, were also for conspiracy. So with conspiracy, there's now a heck of a lot of latitude as to where this investigation can go, even if the underlying base crimes were never consummated, and any individuals providing furtherance have serious potential legal exposure.

This thing is really opening up.
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Not possible because I've been reading all week this was going to happen today from stories citing "anonymous" sources. So it just HAD to be fake news.
 
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