Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, to Plead Guilty in Mueller Inquiry and Cooperate

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Fenton said:

Lol ! Found any evidence of collusion yet ?

Your probably more responsible for posting threads filled with bull **** than any other poster here.
We can attribute at least one Trump tin hattery thread a day to your personal fetish with our President

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Did you ever wonder what skills Manafort brought to the Trump campaign? Manafort was skilled at money laundering -- and money laundering money from Russia, in particular.

"Paul Manafort, who was forced out as President Trump’s campaign chairman last summer after five months of infighting and criticism about his business dealings with pro-Russian interests, disclosed Tuesday that his consulting firm had received more than $17 million over two years from a Ukrainian political party with links to the Kremlin."

So, why do you think Manafort would be valuable to the Trump campaign?

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Fenton said:

Lol ! Found any evidence of collusion yet ?

Your probably more responsible for posting threads filled with bull **** than any other poster here.
We can attribute at least one Trump tin hattery thread a day to your personal fetish with our President

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Have you ever noticed of yourself that when you engage with people you disagree with you have a tendency to just make up totalities like the bolded for example? You are such a good trump supporter that you even talk like him. Whomever is in front of him is either showered with the most positive superlatives possible or besieged with the most negative superlatives possible. Kind of waters down anything someone says when they are like that.

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Maddow had a great show on this last night.

Gates goes in do the "queen for a day" plea discussion, a lenient time to go in, share it all, and get more leniency than normal. He lied in while doing this...which is like asking for a second chance at being "honest", and then immediately lying...so they slapped him down. He was looking at maybe 5 years of prison time with just the charges currently out. So he plead down, is hoping for zero jail time (he's got a family).

Manafort and Gates were doing their sketchy work with Ukraine, and when the income stopped, they went on their criminal binge of trying to get as much cash as they could, all of a sudden. This is the why they falsified all that stuff for loans, etc. Manafort was in debt to his ears, $17M to pro-Russian interests, including $8M to Oleg Deripaska (oligarch close to Putin, not allowed in the U.S. due to links to organized crime).
Oleg was trying to get his money back, and when all normal efforts failed, he sued Manafort in the Cyamen islands. In august 2015 he moved it to the U.S. to get more traction. Accused Manafort of fraud, pledged to recover the money from him.

Then Manafort/Gates get into the campaign, and Oleg's legal group "will no longer comment". The dogs were suddenly called off, after chasing him legally from Cyamen's to U.S., with written statements showing their desire to get the money back...

Two weeks after Trump hired him, Manafort emailed a Ukrainian intermediary between him and Oleg. Manafort asks if (Oleg) has seen his press coverage (as the new deputy on Trumps presidential campaign team). Manafort asks "How do we use to get whole? "Has OVD (Oleg Vladimirovich, Deripaska) seen"?
Manafort then writes if he needs private breifings, we can accommodate".
July 29th, a week after Trump accepted the nomination, they were excited to meet (with the intermediary). They met on August 2nd. There is more to it, just the first bit.

So it looks like Manafort was trying to use his position on the campaign to get good on his debt to a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin, on pro-Russia issues.

The kicker was the White House statement from Ty Cobb:
..."won't be commenting on Manafort or Gates, as the matters between them and the OSC are dated and have nothing to do with their service to the campaign".

Ooops, apparently, they are neither dated, nor are distinct from the campaign!
Rick Gates guilty plea rounds out a busy week of indictments for Mueller

Re: Gates to plead guilty...

Fenton said:

Lol ! Found any evidence of collusion yet ?

Your probably more responsible for posting threads filled with bull **** than any other poster here.
We can attribute at least one Trump tin hattery thread a day to your personal fetish with our President

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1st it was from you as a loyal Trump Acoloyte along with Trump, his Family, and inner circle - No Russian connections. None- Nada- How did that work out

2nd it was where is Mueller and why have no charges been laid. Well they have

3rd- Then it was George P was a coffee boy - FP advisor with to big a mouth

4th - Mantafort really had nothing to do with the campaign. Campaign Manager- Kerist no security check, a basic wiki check would show him for what he is.

5th - Flynn plea deal- The Russian connections started clarifying

6th - it was ref Mueller - Is that all he has.

7nth - Then he charged Russians and a Russian Company- to you no effect on the election.

8th- Lawyer charged - Father in Law owns a Russian Bank.

9nth - Gates pea deal.

10th - More Felonies coming- More inside Trumps inner circle being charged.

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JANFU said:

1st it was from you as a loyal Trump Acoloyte along with Trump, his Family, and inner circle - No Russian connections. None- Nada- How did that work out

2nd it was where is Mueller and why have no charges been laid. Well they have

3rd- Then it was George P was a coffee boy - FP advisor with to big a mouth

4th - Mantafort really had nothing to do with the campaign. Campaign Manager- Kerist no security check, a basic wiki check would show him for what he is.

5th - Flynn plea deal- The Russian connections started clarifying

6th - it was ref Mueller - Is that all he has.

7nth - Then he charged Russians and a Russian Company- to you no effect on the election.

8th- Lawyer charged - Father in Law owns a Russian Bank.

9nth - Gates pea deal.

10th - More Felonies coming- More inside Trumps inner circle being charged.

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Still waiting for proof of collusion, and nothing you listed had anything to do with collusion, Trumps candidacy, transition or Presidency

Like I said, your threads are filled with bull ****, and if I were you, I would be more worried about Trudeau making a fool out of himself and Canada than US Politics

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Mach said:

Maddow had a great show on this last night.

Gates goes in do the "queen for a day" plea discussion, a lenient time to go in, share it all, and get more leniency than normal. He lied in while doing this...which is like asking for a second chance at being "honest", and then immediately lying...so they slapped him down. He was looking at maybe 5 years of prison time with just the charges currently out. So he plead down, is hoping for zero jail time (he's got a family).

Manafort and Gates were doing their sketchy work with Ukraine, and when the income stopped, they went on their criminal binge of trying to get as much cash as they could, all of a sudden. This is the why they falsified all that stuff for loans, etc. Manafort was in debt to his ears, $17M to pro-Russian interests, including $8M to Oleg Deripaska (oligarch close to Putin, not allowed in the U.S. due to links to organized crime).
Oleg was trying to get his money back, and when all normal efforts failed, he sued Manafort in the Cyamen islands. In august 2015 he moved it to the U.S. to get more traction. Accused Manafort of fraud, pledged to recover the money from him.

Then Manafort/Gates get into the campaign, and Oleg's legal group "will no longer comment". The dogs were suddenly called off, after chasing him legally from Cyamen's to U.S., with written statements showing their desire to get the money back...

Two weeks after Trump hired him, Manafort emailed a Ukrainian intermediary between him and Oleg. Manafort asks if (Oleg) has seen his press coverage (as the new deputy on Trumps presidential campaign team). Manafort asks "How do we use to get whole? "Has OVD (Oleg Vladimirovich, Deripaska) seen"?
Manafort then writes if he needs private breifings, we can accommodate".
July 29th, a week after Trump accepted the nomination, they were excited to meet (with the intermediary). They met on August 2nd. There is more to it, just the first bit.

So it looks like Manafort was trying to use his position on the campaign to get good on his debt to a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin, on pro-Russia issues.

The kicker was the White House statement from Ty Cobb:
..."won't be commenting on Manafort or Gates, as the matters between them and the OSC are dated and have nothing to do with their service to the campaign".

Ooops, apparently, they are neither dated, nor are distinct from the campaign!
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I think this should be in a thread of it own - it is possible to find a transcript of her show??

Question- could Gates have made this plea deal earlier, such as last fall?
Mueller may have delayed providing it to the courts as from what I understand, he would not be required to? If so, Gates would have been working undercover well prior to this date. Laying the charges was camouflage for Gates past action, under cover, and to pressure Mantafort.

And the Mantafort emails- make this whole- OVD -other Russians- private briefings and such- no longer being legally hounded for money owed, moves this much closer to a conspiracy.
Mueller now has an inside track to Trumps campaign, Russia, and who else may be involved.

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Fenton said:

Still waiting for proof of collusion, and nothing you listed had anything to do with collusion, Trumps candidacy, transition or Presidency

Like I said, your threads are filled with bull ****, and if I were you, I would be more worried about Trudeau making a fool out of himself and Canada than US Politics

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Right here where Mach made an excellent post with link. Maddow lays it out quite simply, leg, to leg so those that just do not understand may finally get it. And to top it off it is in English, and not Russian.

Mach said:

Maddow had a great show on this last night.

Gates goes in do the "queen for a day" plea discussion, a lenient time to go in, share it all, and get more leniency than normal. He lied in while doing this...which is like asking for a second chance at being "honest", and then immediately lying...so they slapped him down. He was looking at maybe 5 years of prison time with just the charges currently out. So he plead down, is hoping for zero jail time (he's got a family).

Manafort and Gates were doing their sketchy work with Ukraine, and when the income stopped, they went on their criminal binge of trying to get as much cash as they could, all of a sudden. This is the why they falsified all that stuff for loans, etc. Manafort was in debt to his ears, $17M to pro-Russian interests, including $8M to Oleg Deripaska (oligarch close to Putin, not allowed in the U.S. due to links to organized crime).
Oleg was trying to get his money back, and when all normal efforts failed, he sued Manafort in the Cyamen islands. In august 2015 he moved it to the U.S. to get more traction. Accused Manafort of fraud, pledged to recover the money from him.

Then Manafort/Gates get into the campaign, and Oleg's legal group "will no longer comment". The dogs were suddenly called off, after chasing him legally from Cyamen's to U.S., with written statements showing their desire to get the money back...

Two weeks after Trump hired him, Manafort emailed a Ukrainian intermediary between him and Oleg. Manafort asks if (Oleg) has seen his press coverage (as the new deputy on Trumps presidential campaign team). Manafort asks "How do we use to get whole? "Has OVD (Oleg Vladimirovich, Deripaska) seen"?
Manafort then writes if he needs private breifings, we can accommodate".
July 29th, a week after Trump accepted the nomination, they were excited to meet (with the intermediary). They met on August 2nd. There is more to it, just the first bit.

So it looks like Manafort was trying to use his position on the campaign to get good on his debt to a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin, on pro-Russia issues.

The kicker was the White House statement from Ty Cobb:
..."won't be commenting on Manafort or Gates, as the matters between them and the OSC are dated and have nothing to do with their service to the campaign".

Ooops, apparently, they are neither dated, nor are distinct from the campaign!
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I think the Rick Gates/Manafort story is gonna go to Tony Podesta.

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Where's the evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia?

Former Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort was hit with new charges on Friday, including an allegation he secretly recruited and funded a group of former European politicians to lobby in the United States on behalf of Ukraine.

The superseding indictment was filed just a couple of hours after Manafort's business partner, former campaign aide Rick Gates, pleaded guilty to conspiracy and lying to investigators —even while he was negotiating a deal with special counsel Robert Mueller. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-trump-campaign-aide-rick-gates-set-plead-guilty-n849256

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Mainstream media is full of speculation over what Gates might tell Mueller about Trump’s collusion with the Russians. It is believed the swift and lenient deal (which contemplates his release on probation) reflects the value of the criminal evidence against Trump that Gates has agreed to deliver, naturally they’re thrilled.

The most significant allegation is that Manafort assembled what he called a "Super VIP" group of highly influential Europeans who could push Ukraine's agenda "without any visible relationship" with the Ukrainian government, according to an email obtained by Mueller.

Manafort paid the politicians 2 million euros from offshore accounts in 2012 and 2013 to lobby members of Congress and other U.S. officials. It's illegal for Americans to direct foreigners to lobby the U.S. without informing the Justice Department. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-trump-campaign-aide-rick-gates-set-plead-guilty-n849256

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Lost in the frenzy of the media is any reference to the fact Gates’ “crime” took place five or six years ago, long before the presidency was even a twinkle in Trump’s eye and four years before he even joined the Trump team.

In June 2016, when Donald Trump hired Manafort to manage his campaign for president, Gates went to work for Manafort, handling the day-to-day activities of the campaign including taking responsibility for apparent plagiarism in Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention. Gates stayed with the campaign after Manafort was forced out and then went to work as a fundraiser for the Republican National Committee and the Donald Trump Inaugural Committee. He helped to form a pro-Trump nonprofit group called America First Policies but was removed from the organization due to his involvement with Manafort's overseas ventures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Gates_(political_consultant)

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Some context might help, back in 2012, when Gates allegedly advocated for Ukraine, Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych, a Putin puppet, ruled that country. He made overtures to the EU which gained wild popular support, and then backed down under pressure from Putin, this led to a revolution of sorts, Ukrainians protested the back down, they sieged the main square (Maidan) in front of the government headquarters, got shot at by Russian “Spetnaz” and eventually ousted Yanukovich (this was in 2014 –two years before Gates joined the Trump team).
It is now speculated Trump’s campaign manager’s assistant, who two years earlier had advocated for Putin’s puppet, has compromising information relating to the puppet’s boss and Trump. We’ll see what happens.

"The new allegations against Mr. Manafort, once again, have nothing to do with Russia and 2016 election interference/collusion," said Manafort's spokesman on Thursday. "Mr. Manafort is confident that he will be acquitted and violations of his constitutional rights will be remedied." https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/rick-gates-mueller-analysis/index.html

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Somebody ought to tell Mueller what we are looking for is evidence Trump colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary.

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This is hands down the most corrupt, Incompetent administration in American history.

The sooner they are out the better off America will be.

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GDViking said:

This is hands down the most corrupt, Incompetent administration in American history.

The sooner they are out the better off America will be.

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it takes a special kind of incompetence to be more corrupt than the administration of Warren G. Harding

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Plus Ultra said:

Where's the evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia?

Mainstream media is full of speculation over what Gates might tell Mueller about Trump’s collusion with the Russians. It is believed the swift and lenient deal (which contemplates his release on probation) reflects the value of the criminal evidence against Trump that Gates has agreed to deliver, naturally they’re thrilled.

Lost in the frenzy of the media is any reference to the fact Gates’ “crime” took place five or six years ago, long before the presidency was even a twinkle in Trump’s eye and four years before he even joined the Trump team.

Some context might help, back in 2012, when Gates allegedly advocated for Ukraine, Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych, a Putin puppet, ruled that country. He made overtures to the EU which gained wild popular support, and then backed down under pressure from Putin, this led to a revolution of sorts, Ukrainians protested the back down, they sieged the main square (Maidan) in front of the government headquarters, got shot at by Russian “Spetnaz” and eventually ousted Yanukovich (this was in 2014 –two years before Gates joined the Trump team).
It is now speculated Trump’s campaign manager’s assistant, who two years earlier had advocated for Putin’s puppet, has compromising information relating to the puppet’s boss and Trump. We’ll see what happens.

Somebody ought to tell Mueller what we are looking for is evidence Trump colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary.

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He already has that, he found much, much more. Trump has been involved with the Russian mafia since 1979. It appears that that the amount of charges coming his way are nearly enless, provided he doesn't get an order of plutonium fries...

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Unitedwestand13 said:

it takes a special kind of incompetence to be more corrupt than the administration of Warren G. Harding

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Trump always claims to be the best...

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GDViking said:

Trump always claims to be the best...

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the top of the bottom.

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Where’s the smoking gun?

In the nine months since Robert S. Mueller III was appointed to oversee the investigation into possible links between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, he has issued more than 100 criminal counts against 19 people and three companies. Of the 19 people, (three Trump associates) have pleaded guilty. Thirteen are Russians accused of meddling in the 2016 presidential election. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/us/politics/mueller-investigation-charges.html

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The NYT goes on to enumerate the charges; Papadopoulus admitted he didn’t tell the FBI that he spoke with people he believed were working on behalf of Russians; Flynn admitted he didn’t tell the FBI everything about conversations with the Russian ambassador; Rick Gates admitted he was involved in financial fraud and didn’t report advocacy for Ukraine, Manafort allegedly failed to register as an agent for Ukraine and engaged in tax and bank fraud.

The charges against Manafort and Gates pre-date their joining his team, Papadopoulos was a low level team member who was not given much consideration and Flynn’s contacts with the Russian ambassador were completely legal (just not disclosing them was not).

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Plus Ultra said:

Somebody ought to tell Mueller what we are looking for is evidence Trump colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary.

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Since that's not what he was charged to investigate specifically, I think someone ought to tell you that would be inappropriate.
Wait, I just told you that Have you read his order to investigate? It's available and was posted here probably a dozen times or more over the months, it's easy to find the official legal document. To be shocked if it looks like every other boiler-plate legal document on the web, that's just how this stuff looks!

No one knows if Trump directly or indirectly got involved in pulling in Russian assistance..other than the public stuff like his urging them to find the emails, of course. That's part of the investigation.

What they found was an enormous amount of evidence that something nefarious looking was going on, while simultaneously they watched as Trump loved on Putin like a lost brother, defending him for no apparent reason. the people he surrounded himself with were independently under investigation for things related to....you guessed it, dealing with pro-Russian oligarch's and factions and the Kremlin directly in some cases. Trump in his wide spread business dealings had just a year before sought to open a Trump Tower in Russia...and claimed in the campaign to have nothing to do with Russia.

So they are investigating, and will answer all the questions we have.

That's really it. Mueller is working up, he gets a plea deal, which gives them dozens of leads on new actors to then investigate, and you go bottom up. If you start at the top, you blow your case against the big fish, sorry to say. You start at the bottom and you exhaust each and every possible escape route and lead, so that when you get to the top, you are confident you know the full scope, and that either the top cannot be charged or better, is squeaky clean (yeah right!), or that they have done such a good job of rolling it up, that they have evidence corroborated from so many angles that it's air-tight. Worst case scenario is if they have *some* evidence worthy of indictment, but not a preponderance of evidence...in which case some hard choices will be made by Mueller, and maybe Rosenstein. They may just do a briefing without indictment (Roesenstein's call), to the congress, for example, without charges, if they don't have a super solid case.

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Mueller’s remit:

The order by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointing Mueller states Mueller is authorized to investigate:

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

• any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.
• any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
• any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)
• If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

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Comey’s March testimony that Rosenstein incorporated by reference was as follows:

“I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.”

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In March, Comey did not publicly reveal details of what exactly the FBI is investigating. But news reports based on leaks, coming in February before Comey spoke, provided a fuller picture, at least as of then:

The FBI's Pittsburgh field office, which runs many cyber security investigations, is trying to identify the people behind breaches of the Democratic National Committee's computer systems . . . . Meanwhile the bureau’s San Francisco office is trying to identify the people who called themselves “Guccifer 2” and posted emails stolen from Clinton campaign manager John Podesta’s account . . . . Beyond the two FBI field offices, FBI counterintelligence agents based in Washington are pursuing leads from informants and foreign communications intercepts, two of the people said. This counterintelligence inquiry includes but is not limited to examination of financial transactions by Russian individuals and companies who are believed to have links to Trump associates.

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Earlier the Lawfare team noted a potential ambiguity about whether the Rosenstein order meant to transfer authority to Mueller over “the larger Russian hacking investigation” including any Trump connections, or “only the parts [of the investigation] that involve the Trump campaign.” The Department of Justice press release accompanying Rosenstein’s order seems to confirm the first, broader interpretation: Mueller will “oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters.” https://www.lawfareblog.com/scope-mueller-probe-will-public-learn-what-was-uncovered

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Thus it is clear Mueller can investigate Trump and his team’s business deals with Russia, he can even investigate cloudy offshore banking, money laundering and tax evasion going back many years, if this is discovered as he looks for evidence of collusion with Russia to defeat Hillary. So far Mueller has found a lot of these financial crimes, but we don't know if he's found anything on collusion.

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The NYT says Mueller has brought over 100 charges against 19 people and three companies (so far). We know 13 of the people were those Russians who posted on blogs and bought ads supposedly trying to influence the elections, and there was a US citizen who procured for them false identities. A Russian Lawyer, Alex Van Der Zwaan is charged with lying to the FBI about conversations with Rick Gates. None of these were Trump team members.

Looking for collusion with Russia, Mueller has uncovered evidence Gates, Page and Manafort may have engaged in tax evasion, offshore banking, money laundering, finance and bank fraud. Apparently these activities did involve plenty of Russians, what is not clear is that those Russians involved were colluding to defeat Hillary. The shady deals took place long before Trump was a candidate. It will be hard to prove Putin fostered these fraudulent deals in order to help Trump win the election.

Gates, Page and Manafort all were involved in advocacy for the former Ukranian president Yanokovych (who was strongly supported by Putin before his ouster four years ago). The finance-related charges they face all have to do with funds received and spent in this advocacy.

Papadopoulos, a minor figure who was only briefly associated with Trump’s campaign, is claimed to have contacted a professor alleged to have ties to Russia who claimed they had hacked emails from Hillary and the DNC. No evidence has been revealed anyone on Trump’s team ever followed up on this and there is some evidence Papadopolous’ efforts to encourage this pursuit were dismissed off hand.

Jared is accused of having arranged a meeting with a Russian lawyer to discuss lifting sanctions against Russia in exchange for dirt on Hillary, but the meeting was brief, Jared walked out as the Russian lawyer proffered no evidence and the discussion on lifting sanctions degenerated into an argument over lifting restrictions on US adoptions of Russian orphans.

Finally there’s Flynn, who admitted he failed to accurately report on a conversation he had with the former Russian ambassador, which some claim involved lifting sanctions.

I think the Yanukovych connection is a false lead, that it is likely Putin financed Gates, Page and Manafort's efforts to promote ties with the Ukranian regime, but doubt this then evolved two years later into an arrangement for Putin to help Trump defeat Hillary. I haven't seen any evidence the Wikileaks of Hillary and DNC emails came from Russian agents.