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Hundreds of teachers sign up for free gun training in Ohio

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“We thought we’d get 20, 25 signed up. We had 50 within the first hour. We had 100 within two hours, we had three hundred within like five hours. We offered to teachers first, then we start getting calls from a secretary that works in the school, janitors that work in the school,” Jones said.

More schools are beginning to train their educators to access or carry concealed weapons with reports suggesting there are now more than 1,000 school staffers in a dozen states with access to guns in schools spanning 225 districts.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/hundreds-of-teachers-sign-up-for-free-gun-training-in-ohio

Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones tweeted over the weekend that he’d offer free concealed carry classes for teachers. He said 300 people have signed up so far.
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https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-new...-officials-weigh-in-on-teachers-carrying-guns

Looks like a good start to me.
 
That can't be true! The teachers unions are telling everyone that teachers want to be armed with "resources" and not guns.
 
And, what are the responsibilities of these armed and trained teachers. If they are compensated financially, do they have to respond? And if they hide in a closet, can they be sued? If they wound or kill the wrong person, who bears the responsibility? Them, the school? Who pays the liability insurance?
Just questions.
Because if someone's kid is shot while the armed and trained teacher is hiding in the closet, they are going to sue.
 
Josie said:
That can't be true! The teachers unions are telling everyone that teachers want to be armed with "resources" and not guns.
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Need more pencils. Stabem in the eye.
 
trblmkr said:
And, what are the responsibilities of these armed and trained teachers. If they are compensated financially, do they have to respond? And if they hide in a closet, can they be sued? If they wound or kill the wrong person, who bears the responsibility? Them, the school? Who pays the liability insurance?
Just questions.
Because if someone's kid is shot while the armed and trained teacher is hiding in the closet, they are going to sue.
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The schools already have insurance.

The teachers are "volunteering" but I guess you probably have a problem with that too.

My guess is that if this idea were to work it would be the worst nightmare for anti gun groups. It would rob them of their sanctimonious podium so they couldn't play the one million "what if" question game.
 
trblmkr said:
And, what are the responsibilities of these armed and trained teachers. If they are compensated financially, do they have to respond? And if they hide in a closet, can they be sued? If they wound or kill the wrong person, who bears the responsibility? Them, the school? Who pays the liability insurance?
Just questions.
Because if someone's kid is shot while the armed and trained teacher is hiding in the closet, they are going to sue.
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same laws that apply anywhere else.
 
Being trained in self defense is not the same as being trained and being ready to seek out and confront a killer in your building. Terrible mistake to think otherwise and to focus on arming teachers instead of disarming latent killers.
 
JackA said:
Being trained in self defense is not the same as being trained and being ready to seek out and confront a killer in your building. Terrible mistake to think otherwise and to focus on arming teachers instead of disarming latent killers.
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You are right that self defense training isn't the same. That isn't what these teachers are getting.
FASTER training includes hand-to-hand combat, medical triage
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“Dozens of school staff are already so designated,” Carno said. “We want to bring them world-class training in stopping active shooters.”
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The course is run by trainers with police, SWAT and federal law enforcement backgrounds and leads participants through move-and-shoot drills, hand-to-hand fighting and advanced medical triage of gunshot wounds.
Faculty/Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response, or FASTER , has been taught in Ohio for the past five years, and nearly 900 school staff members have completed the program. FASTER was started in Ohio by the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, a nonprofit that supports the rights of citizens to own and use guns, and Tactical Defense Institute, a private self-defense and firearms training company.
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https://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/28/advanced-gun-training-colorado-teachers/


Educators Agree ... FASTER is the Most Effective Violence Response Training Available

“This class provided the mental preparation to allow me to handle any crisis situation. The children who are entrusted to me need me to have this type of leadership skill.”
Lisa – 3rd Grade Teacher

“I used to think it was acceptable to say it would never happen here. Then I realized every school where this has happened probably would have said the same thing right up until that last moment.”
Scott – Vice Principal

“If anyone has doubts about this program, take the class or just observe. I am a different person after this training.”
Sandy – Guidance Counselor

“In my 17 years of education, this was one of the best prepared classes I have been to … a great wealth of knowledge on how to safely protect our students.”
Mark – Varsity Coach

“Time is of the essence. Standing by and waiting to be rescued will only cost lives.”
Mason – Librarian

“FASTER isn’t just about firearms, it is about being prepared before, during and after a violent event. I feel confident I am better prepared to save lives before, during and after. I am changed thanks to this training.”
Julie – Secretary
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Testimonials | FASTER Saves Lives

The FASTER program pays for tuition and lodging and local school boards authorize these trained staff members to carry firearms in school.

NO-COST TRAINING – This is a nonprofit program sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Foundation, a 501(c)(3) public charity. There is no cost to your school district. Since 2013, thousands of Ohio educators have applied for this specialized training.

COMPREHENSIVE PREPARATION – Training also includes crisis management and hands-on emergency medical training for life-threatening injury.

ON-CALL ASSISTANCE – Program experts can meet with school board members at no cost to answer questions and provide assistance for policies and procedures, insurance issues, legal and union concerns, and local police / EMT drills and coordination.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/training-teachers-school-staff
 
trblmkr said:
And, what are the responsibilities of these armed and trained teachers. If they are compensated financially, do they have to respond? And if they hide in a closet, can they be sued? If they wound or kill the wrong person, who bears the responsibility? Them, the school? Who pays the liability insurance?
Just questions.
Because if someone's kid is shot while the armed and trained teacher is hiding in the closet, they are going to sue.
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I'm not sure the existence of an armed teacher really changes the chance of a law suit.
 
trblmkr said:
And, what are the responsibilities of these armed and trained teachers. If they are compensated financially, do they have to respond? And if they hide in a closet, can they be sued? If they wound or kill the wrong person, who bears the responsibility? Them, the school? Who pays the liability insurance?
Just questions.
Because if someone's kid is shot while the armed and trained teacher is hiding in the closet, they are going to sue.
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I would think if they volunteer to be one of the armed school employees, then yes, they would be held responsible for not doing their duty when and if required. Presumably the school (taxpayers) will pay any litigation costs. But even that aside, the question is still a good one. By agreeing to be one of the people carrying in school, doesn't that mean you've agreed to use your weapon in the event of a threat, and if you don't, you're responsible.
 
Josie said:
That can't be true! The teachers unions are telling everyone that teachers want to be armed with "resources" and not guns.
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If you offered a choice between gun training and school supplies NOT purchased out of their own pockets, 99% of teachers are going to pick the school supplies and the remainder should be fired.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Looks like a good start to me.
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That's because you are basing it on ideology. It's not a start at all. It's a bad reaction....

According to a 2008 RAND Corporation study evaluating the New York Police Department’s firearm training, between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate during gunfights was just 18 percent. When suspects did not return fire, police officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time.
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But teachers spraying bullets in classrooms full of kids is a "good start?" Then again, maybe Mr. Jones and Mrs. Shirley, the Algebra and Choir teacher, are better than trained NYPD. No disaster waiting to happen here.

A good start would be to recognize that the shooters at Sandy Hook, the Batman premiere in Aurora, and in Florida, were all long diagnosed mental cases who exercised their Second Amendment Rights. And as of this day, there is absolutely no reason why a guy with a history of schizophrenia and medication cannot enter a Bass Shop and legally buy himself a toy. Recognizing this would be an actual good start.
 
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NonoBadDog said:
The schools already have insurance.

The teachers are "volunteering" but I guess you probably have a problem with that too.

My guess is that if this idea were to work it would be the worst nightmare for anti gun groups. It would rob them of their sanctimonious podium so they couldn't play the one million "what if" question game.
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You mean like what if a 60+ year old teacher left her gun on a toilet and it was found by elementary school children?
 
Deuce said:
You mean like what if a 60+ year old teacher left her gun on a toilet and it was found by elementary school children?
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I am 62. I am deadly accurate with a weapon so I have a bit of a problem figuring out what age has to do with it. Do you think the teacher is just going to leave her weapon laying around? Why would anyone leave a weapon in the bathroom? How many people do you know that keeps their weapon in their underwear or stuffed up their rectum or vagina? I carried a weapon for 28 years and I never left my weapon in the bathroom. I don't know anyone that did. There are numerous options. Teachers could secure their weapons in the classrooms in a small biometric pistol safe.

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trblmkr said:
And, what are the responsibilities of these armed and trained teachers. If they are compensated financially, do they have to respond? And if they hide in a closet, can they be sued? If they wound or kill the wrong person, who bears the responsibility? Them, the school? Who pays the liability insurance?
Just questions.
Because if someone's kid is shot while the armed and trained teacher is hiding in the closet, they are going to sue.
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Folks are going to sue no matter what - this is America. The question is - are the lawsuit settlements more or less than the cost of adding "adequate" school security? Keep in mind that even trained, experienced LEOs (like Peterson at the FL school) might decide to just wait outside until the shooting stops.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I am 62. I am deadly accurate with a weapon so I have a bit of a problem figuring out what age has to do with it. Do you think the teacher is just going to leave her weapon laying around? Why would anyone leave a weapon in the bathroom? How many people do you know that keeps their weapon in their underwear or stuffed up their rectum or vagina? I carried a weapon for 28 years and I never left my weapon in the bathroom. I don't know anyone that did. There are numerous options. Teachers could secure their weapons in the classrooms in a small biometric pistol safe.

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63, and her name was Beth.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teacher-left-gun-in-bathroom-elementary-kids-found-it/
 
I'm all for arming the teachers that are comfortable with it and want to be armed.

I'm more in favor of armed security on campuses.

Name another high traffic government building that doesn't have armed security. It makes no sense that schools aren't.
 
Deuce said:
If you offered a choice between gun training and school supplies NOT purchased out of their own pockets, 99% of teachers are going to pick the school supplies and the remainder should be fired.
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Since the gun training is covered by a nonprofit at no cost to the school then there isn't an issue like that.
but you would have known this already had you actually read the thread.
 
MSgt said:
That's because you are basing it on ideology. It's not a start at all. It's a bad reaction....



But teachers spraying bullets in classrooms full of kids is a "good start?" Then again, maybe Mr. Jones and Mrs. Shirley, the Algebra and Choir teacher, are better than trained NYPD. No disaster waiting to happen here.

A good start would be to recognize that the shooters at Sandy Hook, the Batman premiere in Aurora, and in Florida, were all long diagnosed mental cases who exercised their Second Amendment Rights. And as of this day, there is absolutely no reason why a guy with a history of schizophrenia and medication cannot enter a Bass Shop and legally buy himself a toy. Recognizing this would be an actual good start.
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No wanting to bad guns is based on ideology and bad reaction.
guns aren't the issue it never was the issue.

Where does it say that teachers are going to spray bullets in a classroom?
you are simply making stuff up.

actually there are laws that prohibit just that thing. you don't know what you are talking about.
the problem is that none of that information made it into the background database.
 
Erod said:
I'm all for arming the teachers that are comfortable with it and want to be armed.

I'm more in favor of armed security on campuses.

Name another high traffic government building that doesn't have armed security. It makes no sense that schools aren't.
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The trouble, I think, is scale. There's a crapload of schools.
 
ludin said:
No wanting to bad guns is based on ideology and bad reaction.
guns aren't the issue it never was the issue.

Where does it say that teachers are going to spray bullets in a classroom?
you are simply making stuff up.

actually there are laws that prohibit just that thing. you don't know what you are talking about.
the problem is that none of that information made it into the background database.
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If NYPD accuracy is below 20%, the teachers are going to be worse. Any bullet they fire will be "sprayed" because their aim is going to suck.

You also have trained police officers who shoot unarmed suspects because they think they're reaching for a weapon. How long before a teacher does that, and are the teachers going to have the same liability protections that police officers get when firing their weapons in the line of duty?
 
Deuce said:
If NYPD accuracy is below 20%, the teachers are going to be worse. Any bullet they fire will be "sprayed" because their aim is going to suck.

You also have trained police officers who shoot unarmed suspects because they think they're reaching for a weapon. How long before a teacher does that, and are the teachers going to have the same liability protections that police officers get when firing their weapons in the line of duty?
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The FL HS tried using a trained and experienced LEO for security and he fired no shots and apparently refused to enter the building under attack. It's hard to imagine a worse waste of public money than that. Allowing teachers to be voluntarily trained and armed is unlikely to be a worse idea.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
...Allowing teachers to be voluntarily trained and armed is unlikely to be a worse idea.
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Either abolish the 2nd Amendment, or arm-up. It's really as simple as that. Everything else is just politics--somebody trying to get re-elected.

Personally, the first teachers I would arm is mothers with their own kids in the same school. You wouldn't see any cowardice that way. A mother will do ANYTHING to protect her kids.
 
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