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Hundreds of teachers sign up for free gun training in Ohio

minnie616 said:
Because the 144 hours was a requirement for Florida schools.

We don’t allow pilots ( even they have a CCW ) to carry guns on airplanes.

We don’t allow Judges ( even if they have a CCW ) to carry a gun into court.

We don’t allow congressmen ( even if they have a CCW ) to carry guns into the Capitol.
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Air Marshals carry firearms onto flights. Judges do in fact carry firearms in courtrooms. And congressmen do keep firearms in their offices and have armed security where needed.
 
VanceMack said:
Im sure that would be 'reasonable' to gun banners. Any new rule they can pass...
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That is exactly my point - if any training requirement, test or fee is a constitutional condition for having 2A rights then it's only a matter of mandating how much more is required.
 
VanceMack said:
Air Marshals carry firearms onto flights. Judges do in fact carry firearms in courtrooms. And congressmen do keep firearms in their offices and have armed security where needed.
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Air Marshals have many hours special training since bullets shot that dont hit the target could cause the plane to crash.

Please provide link that Judges carry into the courtroom.

Of course congressmen have armed security. Courts also have armed security. Im quite sure in order to protect congressmembers and courtrooms those security officers have had more than 8 hours of gun training ...which by the way is what we talking about .
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is exactly my point - if any training requirement, test or fee is a constitutional condition for having 2A rights then it's only a matter of mandating how much more is required.
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We have had no gun zone buildings for many years and The Heller decision recognized that.

Allowing only highly trained people to carry in no gun zone buildings is not taking away on the 2A rights.
 
minnie616 said:
We have had no gun zone buildings for many years and The Heller decision recognized that.

Allowing only highly trained people to carry in no gun zone buildings is not taking away on the 2A rights.
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That has nothing to do with my post (concerning CCW permits or CHLs) but thank you for sharing.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That has nothing to do with my post (concerning CCW permits or CHLs) but thank you for sharing.
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States make their rules regarding schools.

The 144 hours of training was passed by Florida Congress and is only for those who will voluntary carry a gun into a Florida School .

Below are six public places where state laws are pre-empted by federal law and no guns are allowed:

1. Federal court facilities: ...

2. United States post offices: ...

3. Federal prisons: Possession of firearms "by all persons not specifically authorized" is prohibited in federal prisons and this no guns allowed policy includes adjacent parking lots.

4. Ranger stations and visitor centers in any national forest or wilderness area: ...

5. National cemeteries: ...

6. Aircrafts: According to the Transportation Security Administration, federal law prohibits the carry of firearms on aircrafts including but not limited to realistic replicas, compressed air guns, pellet guns, and flare guns. The no guns allowed ban extends to carry-on luggage. According to the TSA, "Travelers may only transport unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage."
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Read Newsmax Article: No Firearms Allowed Here: 6 Public Places You Can't Bring Guns | Newsmax.com

https://www.newsmax.com/fastfeatures/no-guns-allowed/2014/11/16/id/607272/
 
minnie616 said:
States make their rules regarding schools.

The 144 hours of training was passed by Florida Congress and is only for those who will voluntary carry a gun into a Florida School .

Below are six public places where state laws are pre-empted by federal law and no guns are allowed:

1. Federal court facilities: ...

2. United States post offices: ...

3. Federal prisons: Possession of firearms "by all persons not specifically authorized" is prohibited in federal prisons and this no guns allowed policy includes adjacent parking lots.

4. Ranger stations and visitor centers in any national forest or wilderness area: ...

5. National cemeteries: ...

6. Aircrafts: According to the Transportation Security Administration, federal law prohibits the carry of firearms on aircrafts including but not limited to realistic replicas, compressed air guns, pellet guns, and flare guns. The no guns allowed ban extends to carry-on luggage. According to the TSA, "Travelers may only transport unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage."
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Read Newsmax Article: No Firearms Allowed Here: 6 Public Places You Can't Bring Guns | Newsmax.com[/QUOTE]

States are also free make their rules for carrying a gun anywhere by anyone which was my point.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Read Newsmax Article: No Firearms Allowed Here: 6 Public Places You Can't Bring Guns | Newsmax.com

States are also free make their rules for carrying a gun anywhere by anyone which was my point.
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Except the 6 public places in the newsmax article I linked to- Federal law overrules/ pre-empts state laws.
 
minnie616 said:
Except the 6 public places in the newsmax article I linked to- Federal law overrules/ pre-empts state laws.
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Yep, federal law applies to federal places and those granted FAA permission to operate commercial flights.
 
minnie616 said:
Air Marshals have many hours special training since bullets shot that dont hit the target could cause the plane to crash.

Please provide link that Judges carry into the courtroom.

Of course congressmen have armed security. Courts also have armed security. Im quite sure in order to protect congressmembers and courtrooms those security officers have had more than 8 hours of gun training ...which by the way is what we talking about .
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I can cite a few dozen articles...but heres one to start...

'We carry guns': Armed judges in spotlight after Ohio attack - StarTribune.com

We arent talking about paying teachers to be armed marshalls or armed guards. We are talking about allowing citizens to exercise their constitutional rights.
 
VanceMack said:
I can cite a few dozen articles...but heres one to start...

'We carry guns': Armed judges in spotlight after Ohio attack - StarTribune.com

We arent talking about paying teachers to be armed marshalls or armed guards. We are talking about allowing citizens to exercise their constitutional rights.
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Thank you for the correction and for looking up a link.

Since the incident in Ohio it seems that Judges are an exception to the law.

However, I am thinking the judges who carry a gun into court building that security is aware the judge brought a gun into the building. There is usually a metal detector to get into the building.
 
minnie616 said:
Thank you for the correction and for looking up a link.

Since the incident in Ohio it seems that Judges are an exception to the law.

However, I am thinking the judges who carry a gun into court building that security is aware the judge brought a gun into the building. There is usually a metal detector to get into the building.
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Thats just one of many. And passing through those metal detectors is just a formality.

Again...to the point...we should not be talking about training teachers to be air marshals. We should be allowing citizens to exercise their Constitutional rights.
 
VanceMack said:
Thats just one of many. And passing through those metal detectors is just a formality.

Again...to the point...we should not be talking about training teachers to be air marshals. We should be allowing citizens to exercise their Constitutional rights.
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It will be interesting to see if Gov. Scott signs the Florida bill that passed. It would allow some highly trained teachers to carry. That part of bill seems to be a sticking point with the Gov. But Florida does have a one line veto option so the Gov. could pass the Bill but veto the armed teacher part of the bill.
 
minnie616 said:
It will be interesting to see if Gov. Scott signs the Florida bill that passed. It would allow some highly trained teachers to carry. That part of bill seems to be a sticking point with the Gov. But Florida does have a one line veto option so the Gov. could pass the Bill but veto the armed teacher part of the bill.
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Makes zero sense to me that people would rather see students huddled in a corner with books in front of their heads waiting for their turn to die as opposed to allowing armed teachers to give people a fighting chance. But that’s just me. Some people will call 9-11 and be perfectly happy waiting 12-15 minutes for police to show up to save them. Or at least have the decency to cover up their dead bodies.


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