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Armed deputy at Florida high school resigns after failing to engage shooter

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RAMOSS said:
That sounds like a problem with police departments, now doesn't it? You are expecting teachers to be better trained than police.
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It doesn't take much to train anyone to shoot better than most cops. Some cops shoot once a year and are only required to hit the target 7 out of 10 times. Yeah, I actually do. I used to teach marksmanship. It's pretty simple to teach. Tactical is pretty easy to teach too. Teachers don't need to know everything that cops know. They just need the active shooter portion and firearms training, if they want it.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Appropriate gear and equipment is an important thing to analyze and consider in the appropriate context.. Pivoting to it as an attempt to rationalize deputies not attempting to intervene during the slaughter of school children is not the appropriate context. Nothing justifies non-response.
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The Public has the advantage/disadvantage of hindsight. NY Times reported the officer Scott Peterson was told by an employee, who escaped from the school, that the gunman was headed toward the West Parking Lot exit.

There were students in the area, outside the school on the West side, so maybe Scott Peterson thought he was ready to engage the shooter when he came out of the school. Every one NOW knows the shooter did not come out of the school for several more minutes of shooting on different floors of the Freshman Building.

Now Scott Peterson looks like he should have gone into the building, instead of relying on the tip that the shooter was headed out to the West paring lot.


There were several versions of the story in the New York Times,

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/...n=click&contentCollection=U.S.&pgtype=article



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This is what I don’t really understand because the deputies who was there. He waited outside of the school from my understanding. I don’t know if it’s depending on a proper tactical approach to handle this issue as properly as correctly. Those several officers were armed but, it doesn’t mean they can be a hero without backup because they don’t know if the psychopath is a lone wolf or whatever. Maybe the officer didn’t know how to handle the situation or maybe he was told to refrain from the situation until they were there. If there was several schools resource officers that would cover the size of this school then they would.


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There’s also another good point and, whenever I heard about that gym teacher. I get depressed because he’s gone because a psychopath shot him to death and, HE DIED AS A HERO. IF HE WAS ARMED HE COULD HAVE STOP THE SHOOTING! It makes me sick


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TheRepublican said:
There’s also another good point and, whenever I heard about that gym teacher. I get depressed because he’s gone because a psychopath shot him to death and, HE DIED AS A HERO. IF HE WAS ARMED HE COULD HAVE STOP THE SHOOTING! It makes me sick


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It would seem that a police officer defending himself from a direct attack can do no right (hands up), but a cop hiding behind a wall defending no one can do no wrong.

I'm not especially shocked that there are those who defend cowardly government employees when they don't do their job, especially when the employee's incompetence undermines the hating of the NRA and the opportunity to blame their political enemies.

But normal people understood what was required, including those unarmed teachers who tried to save their students. Private citizens, business employees, off duty security guards and off-on duty cops also understand, at least those of them who have confronted active shooters in malls, banks, hostage situations, hotel lobbies, Capitol Hill softball fields, church's, etc. They all know YOU DON'T wait once the suspects start shooting customers, patrons, tellers, guests, or family. YOU ACT regardless of the availability of a swat team.

American policing for at least 20 years have known to confront active shooters, especially after Columbine when two shooters roamed the school for 50 minutes killing kids. It is a dereliction of duty for them to cower, letting the carnage continue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-armed-teachers-help/?utm_term=.4a4d557ea725

Whoever is there with a gun, whether a school resource officer or the first patrol officer to arrive, should go after the shooter.
“We teach that the first priority when you come on scene is to stop the killing,” said Pete Blair, executive director of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University and one of the nation’s top experts on active shooter training. “The number one driving force is gunfire. If there’s gunfire, we teach the officers to isolate, distract and neutralize. We want people to go directly to the sounds of the gunfire.”
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Instead, we get a worthless Broward county police force and a blame deflecting elected sheriff trying to pin their incompetence and cowardice on others.

To say nothing of the failure of the FBI...
 
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Re: Armed School Resource Officer ... Did Nothing!

RAMOSS said:
That sounds like a problem with police departments, now doesn't it? You are expecting teachers to be better trained than police.
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Yes. I do because it wouldn't take much to train them to use a firearm effectively. If I can train 18 year old kids right out of high school to shoot effectively teachers would be a breeze to train.
 
RAMOSS said:
That sounds like a problem with police departments, now doesn't it? You are expecting teachers to be better trained than police.
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There is one way that an armed teacher will always be better than a police at responding to a school shooter. Want to know how?

They are present in the building. Their response time is immediate. An armed staff in the school could save more
lives than the police because it will always take time for police to get there.

The existence of armed adults firing guns back at a shooter has a decent chance of accomplishing one or
more of the following:

1) The shooter stops killing children for a bit to try to determine the location of the other armed adults
2) The shooter stops killing children for a bit because he doesn’t want to allow the other armed adults to pinpoint his location
3) The shooter panics and flees
4) The shooter panics and turns his gun on himself
5) The shooter gets shot by the return fire and is injured or killed

Any of these effects can slow the rate of the massacre and save lives. And teachers (or other staff) if armed, will technically always have that timing advantage on police in that they are already there.

One final thing, as to that list of 5 possible effects of teachers with guns... 1 through 4 could theoretically be accomplished with guns full of blanks.
 
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SMTA said:
What an ignorant post.
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This won’t be my first, nor my last.

I don't mind being corrected, or I won't learn. However, to say nothing more than my post is ignorant without elucidating ignores that. Do you mind?
 
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apdst said:
Or, with a pistol, you can miss the target outright and the bullet will hit a friendly with it's full force and lethality.
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What is someone who has a conceal carry permit draws his/her weapon to shoot a mass shooter and the police arrive. The cops will demand the "protector" drop his gun, which would be a distraction. I haven't heard LEO input on this point.
 
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bluesmoke said:
What is someone who has a conceal carry permit draws his/her weapon to shoot a mass shooter and the police arrive. The cops will demand the "protector" drop his gun, which would be a distraction. I haven't heard LEO input on this point.
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At Marjory Douglas HS, that would have never been an issue. :lamo
 
Peter King said:
Did I ever state such a thing? If he is young enough he should find a new job and not be a burden on society. You are reading things into my post that was not in there nor did I comment about that.
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Those are my thoughts-we don't need peoplelike him on the front line,eh?
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haymarket said:
Then why did they fire his sorry ass?
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They didn't. He resigned after they put him on unpaid leave. That however is irrelevant, I was agreeing with you.

The sarcasm went right over your head.
 
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