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Armed deputy at Florida high school resigns after failing to engage shooter

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Slyfox696 said:
Not hard to understand why. This is a very difficult one. On one hand, it is his job to do what he can to ensure the safety of the students. On the other hand, he likely had, at best, a weapon grossly inferior to the one being wielded by the intruder and would possibly have to close a great distance. It is very possible if this man rushed in, then it would have simply been one more person dead.

On the other hand, it may have distracted the shooter or forced him into a stalemate position long enough to save lives.

It's a tough call. Asking that resource officer to enter the school severely outgunned amounts to little more than a possible suicide mission which may not alter anything. But not doing so may have cost children's lives. It is a tough one.
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It's not a tough call. It was his job. He was a cop. He was a person that society imbues with certain powers, even the power of life and death over others, and especially with powers of detainment, search, and physical force, because he's expected to put himself in harm's way for the protection of the public. His job carries the risk of death, and he is trained, and expected, to take that risk and possibly make that sacrifice so that others may live.

He didn't try. He betrayed the enormous public trust and public duty he carried. He's a coward who put his own safety and his own life over that of children who were specifically under his protection.
 
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Bergslagstroll said:
As I understand you have school shootings with multiple perpetrators. So, the deputy could have thought that he would face a shootout with multiple people armed with assault rifles.

Here in Sweden we have had one school attack and the police office had a much easier choice and could go in right away because the preparator only had knifes. That probably a lot more people would have died if he had an assault rifle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trollhättan_school_attack

While in Norway you had the horrific terrorist attack against a political youth camp out in the country side. There many more children died because the police in peaceful Norway was unprepared to deal with the attack. While they new strategy seem good that the police continue to patrol unarmed while at the same time every police have a submachine gun in the trunk of the police car just in case something happen again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
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I dont think we have had a school shooting that imvolved multiple shooters other than columbine 20 yrs ago 2 shooters.

Eitherway single shooter or multiple shooters the guy should pf entered the building and begun securing areas as clear to evacuate as he worked his way toward the source of the gunfire.

He claims he fullfilled his responsibility because he stayed outside to secure the perimeter and provide others with the shooters location. The problem with that argument is that the shooter escaped his containment effort.

Wjats interesting to me is the cultural differences between here and where you are. I wonder how much that influences the differences between the experiences

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Harshaw said:
It's not a tough call. It was his job. He was a cop. He was a person that society imbues with certain powers, even the power of life and death over others, and especially with powers of detainment, search, and physical force, because he's expected to put himself in harm's way for the protection of the public. His job carries the risk of death, and he is trained, and expected, to take that risk and possibly make that sacrifice so that others may live.

He didn't try. He betrayed the enormous public trust and public duty he carried. He's a coward who put his own safety and his own life over that of children who were specifically under his protection.
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your avatar identifies you as filmmaker, lawyer and a patriot. is there also some military service there? ever heard shot fired and been on the wrong end?
 
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Rexedgar said:
your avatar identifies you as filmmaker, lawyer and a patriot. is there also some military service there? ever heard shot fired and been on the wrong end?
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1) No.
2) Yes.
3) Both of above are irrelevant.
 
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Harshaw said:
1) No.
2) Yes.
3) Both of above are irrelevant.
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I recommend the book by Stephen Crane..........you know the one if your avatar is correct.
 
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Rexedgar said:
I recommend the book by Stephen Crane..........you know the one if your avatar is correct.
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Do you think I need to be a lawyer, filmmaker, patriot, or Star Trek fan to know The Red Badge of Courage? That's on pretty much any quality 8th-grade reading list, and is also irrelevant.

Cowardice in the face of (sworn!) duty is cowardice. That people are cowardly it doesn't make it any less cowardly.

He balked. Kids died. It is unambiguous.
 
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Harshaw said:
Do you think I need to be a lawyer, filmmaker, patriot, or Star Trek fan to know The Red Badge of Courage? That's on pretty much any quality 8th-grade reading list, and is also irrelevant.

Cowardice in the face of (sworn!) duty is cowardice. That people are cowardly it doesn't make it any less cowardly.

He balked. Kids died. It is unambiguous.
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Courage cannot be bought for any price. What gives you the right to condemn this man? Have you performed some courage under fire deed? This is the internet, you can be whatever you want to be!
 
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Rexedgar said:
What gives you the right to condemn this man?
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I already said, and could not have been clearer.
 
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Harshaw said:
I already said, and could not have been clearer.
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Without an example of your courage under fire, I'm just going to have leave the discussion there...........walk a mile.........
 
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Rexedgar said:
Courage cannot be bought for any price. What gives you the right to condemn this man? Have you performed some courage under fire deed? This is the internet, you can be whatever you want to be!
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If you had a gun and u hid while your family was being murdered you'd be a coward too. That's just how it works. Sorry it hurts your feelings.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
If you had a gun and u hid while your family was being murdered you'd be a coward too. That's just how it works. Sorry it hurts your feelings.
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Please regale the board with your derring do......
 
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Rexedgar said:
Without an example of your courage under fire, I'm just going to have leave the discussion there...........walk a mile.........
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Completely irrelevant. Whatever I have or haven't done -- and indeed, you have no idea -- he took the mantle unto himself, and it was his responsibility. That's why he was there. With the gun. And the full trust of the public to keep their kids safe.

Because he didn't live up to that responsibility, kids died. While he listened.

There is no worse outcome of cowardice than the death of kids.

If you find it troubling that I say all this without hesitation, reservation, or equivocation, I refer you to your own sig quote.
 
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Harshaw said:
Completely irrelevant. Whatever I have or haven't done -- and indeed, you have no idea -- he took the mantle unto himself, and it was his responsibility. That's why he was there. With the gun. And the full trust of the public to keep their kids safe.

Because he didn't live up to that responsibility, kids died. While he listened.

There is no worse outcome of cowardice than the death of kids.

If you find it troubling that I say all this without hesitation, reservation, or equivocation, I refer you to your own sig quote.
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Got nothing, got it. Not much for biblical quotes, but you throw all the stones you want.
 
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Rexedgar said:
Got nothing, got it. Not much for biblical quotes, but you throw all the stones you want.
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Ever been President, Rex? Ever held elected office of any kind?

No?

That ever stopped you from criticizing those who have? Do you think it should?

Hmmm.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Next time actually read before you reply. I did not excuse it, I said it was understandable.

Try reading comprehension next time.
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ya i've seen you say that a few times.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
I guess he was within 100 yards of the shooter but he was too scared to go into the building. Or was colluding with the shooter. Im guessing he was scared.
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Colluding with the shooter? Seriously?
 
Neomalthusian said:
I’m seriously not convinced that what you’re imagining would really be the proposal, ultimately. Firearms in school does not need to mean you wielding one as you proctor tests and go through instruction. But somewhere in the school, probably well concealed from view and inaccessible except at certain times by certain people, there would be firearms available to return fire to an active shooter. The mere potential presence of guns might deter some shooters, and shots fired by another in his general direction could save numerous lives. Young gunmen might panic and run, panic and turn the gun on themselves, or at least slow or pause the killing spree to focus on who else there has the gun(s) that are now after him.

Variations of this idea should not be off the table just because teachers by and large hate Trump and Trump said something of that nature.
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Yeah well, the primary solution is to find ways to prevent mentally ill or angry young men from gaining such easy access to semi-automatic or even automatic weapons. Deal with the problem at source rather than apply a poorly thought out band-aid to a symptom.
 
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year2late said:
Why put crap like that out there?
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Because the cop just stood there for 5 minutes while kids were dying? He could actually hear the gunshots going off. Then the Sherrif blames Trump and the NRA after they had 17 police reports on this kid, 2 FBI leads, kids telling the school that the kid is threatening them. And the sherrif is going to blame the NRA as his man just stood there doing nothing... They are already trying to cover for the cops ass by only accepting their interview statements instead of just watching the schools security feeds to show that the cop was negligent.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Because the cop just stood there for 5 minutes while kids were dying? He could actually hear the gunshots going off. Then the Sherrif blames Trump and the NRA after they had 17 police reports on this kid, 2 FBI leads, kids telling the school that the kid is threatening them. And the sherrif is going to blame the NRA as his man just stood there doing nothing... They are already trying to cover for the cops ass by only accepting their interview statements instead of just watching the schools security feeds to show that the cop was negligent.
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lol...when Reagan was shot, he was surrounded by the best LEO the country has to offer. Do you honestly believe the old, deputized rent-a-cop stood a chance against this murderous scumbag?
 
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calamity said:
lol...when Reagan was shot, he was surrounded by the best LEO the country has to offer. Do you honestly believe the old, deputized rent-a-cop stood a chance against this murderous scumbag?
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He wasnt a rentacop he was a senior senority officer getting paid the best money that a cop can get. You do notice however that the cops in presidential assassinations IMMEDIATLY cover the president with their body. This SENIOR cop at the massacre was basically being paid to be a political liason to the school.

And I think that if the shooter heard 1 single gunshot that was someoen elses he would have ended his spree early and a few extra lives would be saved. All he had to do was fire 1 damn shot into the air if he wasnt brave enough to go in and lives would have been saved.

The cops werent interested enough in saving lives even after 4 of them showed up they still cowered and hid waiting for even more backup as kids died. This sherrifs department blaming the NRA... And then Br(C)oward County Sheriff leadership has the audacity to try to gaslight NRA spokespeople as he KNOWS 4 of his crew members just sat there like cowards listening to children die. After they dropped the ball from the 18 different reports they have on this kid.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
He wasnt a rentacop he was a senior senority officer getting paid the best money that a cop can get. You do notice however that the cops in presidential assassinations IMMEDIATLY cover the president with their body. This SENIOR cop at the massacre was basically being paid to be a political liason to the school.

And I think that if the shooter heard 1 single gunshot that was someoen elses he would have ended his spree early and a few extra lives would be saved. All he had to do was fire 1 damn shot into the air if he wasnt brave enough to go in and lives would have been saved.
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Most school security officers are not there to prevent mass shootings. They are there to make minor drug busts. Look it up.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Because the cop just stood there for 5 minutes while kids were dying? He could actually hear the gunshots going off. Then the Sherrif blames Trump and the NRA after they had 17 police reports on this kid, 2 FBI leads, kids telling the school that the kid is threatening them. And the sherrif is going to blame the NRA as his man just stood there doing nothing... They are already trying to cover for the cops ass by only accepting their interview statements instead of just watching the schools security feeds to show that the cop was negligent.
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I think Trump ought to leave that cop alone, and quit calling him a coward. The cop might have had bone spurs that day.
 
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