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Dems want gun control, but worry it could cost them midterms

Phys251 said:
If you continue to tell yourself that, then you will never understand the real reason why so many people want more gun safety measures. What you said is absolutely not the underlying motive.
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Maybe you should tell your representatives in Congress that because they keep getting caught talking about elimination of the 2nd amendment.
 
OpportunityCost said:
When you have politicians openly admitting they want total eradication and they are part of the Democratic leadership, can you see why I say what I am saying?
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Who specifically wants "total eradication" and of what exactly?
 
j-mac said:
Hypocrites! Dems will say to your face that they are about safety of the children, as long as it doesn't jeopardize their seats of power I guess....
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Maybe, maybe not. Link does not work.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Maybe you should tell your representatives in Congress that because they keep getting caught talking about elimination of the 2nd amendment.
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Most of that talk is coming from the Moron Trump these days.
Educate yourself.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Maybe you should ask the poster that used the term first and quit trying to anklebite.
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I have no idea who that is or where it was - I am simply asking you since you used it in the post I read and you seemed to be echoing that sentiment.

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When you have politicians openly admitting they want total eradication and they are part of the Democratic leadership, can you see why I say what I am saying?
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So just who is it specifically in Democratic leadership who is advocating for "total eradication" of what exactly?
 
OpportunityCost said:
When you have politicians openly admitting they want total eradication and they are part of the Democratic leadership, can you see why I say what I am saying?
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No, I really can't, because Washington D.C. is full of politicians who say this or that without any real backing. Democrats own guns too and any sort of confiscation would be a disaster. There has never been a political movement to repeal the Second Amendment. But I have tried to argue and argue that this half-assed sentiment to "ban-all-guns" of the few may one day be an actual movement. And the only reason will be that, in the meantime, we continue to do nothing out of fear that anything that resembles "control" is a direct attack on our guns.

- One only has to look at the documented mental records of Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), James Holmes (Batman premier shooting), and Nikolas Cruz (Parkland) to see that we are refusing to be responsible with our Second Amendment right. They should not have had the same right that I have; That is control.

- One only needs to see Stephen Paddock's (Vegas) bump stock work-around to achieve automatic status out of a semi-automatic purchase to see that we aren't serious, especially when we would rather shrug and devise arguments to authorize bump stocks. That is not control.

This is the type of crap that is steadily handing influence over to those who now openly admit that they want to ban guns. It will be a self-fulling prophesy.
 
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MSgt said:
No, I really can't, because Washington D.C. is full of politicians who say this or that without any real backing. Democrats own guns too and any sort of confiscation would be a disaster. There has never been a political movement to repeal the Second Amendment. But I have tried to argue and argue that this half-assed sentiment to "ban-all-guns" of the few may one day be an actual movement. And the only reason will be that, in the meantime, we continue to do nothing out of fear that anything that resembles "control" is a direct attack on our guns.

- One only has to look at the documented mental records of Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), James Holmes (Batman premier shooting), and Nikolas Cruz (Parkland) to see that we are refusing to be responsible with our Second Amendment right. They should not have had the same right that I have; That is control.

- One only needs to see Stephen Paddock's (Vegas) bump stock work-around to achieve automatic status out of a semi-automatic purchase to see that we aren't serious, especially when we would rather shrug and devise arguments to authorize bump stocks. That is not control.

This is the type of crap that is steadily handing influence over to those who now openly admit that they want to ban guns. It will be a self-fulling prophesy.
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Nonsense, Feinstein admitted she wanted a ban. She was a member of Congressional leadership. Both Clinton and Obama have endless praise for the Australian solution to gun control.

Also nonsense, we are not taking mental health seriously enough. I am absolutely for due process to remove rights legally. But we do need to do it legally and we need mental health people speaking up when they think someone will be a danger.

I have never tried to make an argument for bump stocks, so take down the straw man, please.
 
haymarket said:
I have no idea who that is or where it was - I am simply asking you since you used it in the post I read and you seemed to be echoing that sentiment.

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So just who is it specifically in Democratic leadership who is advocating for "total eradication" of what exactly?
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Of course you don't, you don't want to question someone from your side of the aisle what they meant. You also don't want to follow the conversation, you just want to heckle me. So follow my advice or don't, I have no intention of playing words games with your transparently phony argument.
 
SMTA said:
Most of that talk is coming from the Moron Trump these days.
Educate yourself.
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"Educate yourself". You don't much comment on gun control issues unless its the latest moral outrage, follow your own damned advice.
 
Erod said:
Three things should be done.

1. More comprehensive background checks.

2. Have to be 21 to purchase an AR-15. (Trained military exception.)

3. Have to be 21 to vote. (Military exception.)
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The Constitution verbatim prohibits #3. Does not verbatim prohibit #1-2.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Maybe you should tell your representatives in Congress that because they keep getting caught talking about elimination of the 2nd amendment.
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Kind of like your boy Marco Rubio getting shellacked by a group of well-informed teenagers in Sunrise, Florida the other night? :)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, it's hard (if not impossible) to enforce any universal BGC laws without also having a national gun registration database - how else does one prove that they legally obtained their gun(s) and passed a mandatory NICS BGC? That puts demorats into a pickle - how do you reduce "gun" crime by requiring only legal gun owners to pay "user fees" for transfers and registration? Even if the "user fee" was only $20 per gun, they are talking about some serious added taxation on every legally owned (registered?) gun and even more in fines for those that simply "forgot" to register their (otherwise) legally owned guns.
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What guns? They all fell off the boat while we fishing down by the lake dam, such a loss, so terrible...........
 
OpportunityCost said:
Of course you don't, you don't want to question someone from your side of the aisle what they meant. You also don't want to follow the conversation, you just want to heckle me. So follow my advice or don't, I have no intention of playing words games with your transparently phony argument.
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Heckle you? I simply am asking you to be specific about you accusations. Something which apparently you are incapable of doing.
 
Casper said:
What guns? They all fell off the boat while we fishing down by the lake dam, such a loss, so terrible...........
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That won't work well for the unregistered gun(s) that you have with you. That is the gotcha of gun registration - if you have an unregistered gun in your possession then you lose the right to ever have even registered guns for life.
 
haymarket said:
Heckle you? I simply am asking you to be specific about you accusations. Something which apparently you are incapable of doing.
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I didn't make the accusation. Ask the person that DID.
 
Phys251 said:
Kind of like your boy Marco Rubio getting shellacked by a group of well-informed teenagers in Sunrise, Florida the other night? :)
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At least he had the balls to show up. Ask Feinstein about when she plans to attend an NRA meeting that is nationally televised.
 
haymarket said:
I have no idea who that is or where it was - I am simply asking you since you used it in the post I read and you seemed to be echoing that sentiment.

here it is



So just who is it specifically in Democratic leadership who is advocating for "total eradication" of what exactly?
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Playing stupid again, heckling a poster, and fallowing him around to try and agitate. :roll: Opportunity cost is your second victim today. :2wave:

Why the mods put up with your line of garbage I just don't get.

Yes the Dems dare not do anything or chance loosing even more in the midterms. I hope they go for it....
 
Casper said:
What guns? They all fell off the boat while we fishing down by the lake dam, such a loss, so terrible...........
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I'll be damned! Same thing happened to me! What are the odds!?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That won't work well for the unregistered gun(s) that you have with you. That is the gotcha of gun registration - if you have an unregistered gun in your possession then you lose the right to ever have even registered guns for life.
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What guns?
 
notquiteright said:
Rabid right partisanship, anyone surprised??? :confused:

Right now the GOP feet are being held to the fire and the straw graspers are in full deflection mode. Time after time it's been the Dems who take a beating when it comes to 'gun' violence.

NOOOOWWWW the people are asking the GOP where do they stand and what do they have as an answer and they waffle just like they did once Trump was elected and they controlled both Houses of Congress and the Oval Office when it came to their constant drumbeat of repeal and replace Obamacare... :roll:

The most effective course for the Dems is to allow the people to get as many waffling Pubs on the record for the upcoming elections. If the balance of power can be shifted THEN the dems have a chance at change.

History has proven the dems will take the hit to accomplish the mission, the '94 assault weapon ban (do note many Pubs voted for it as well) passing the ACA, while the PUBs couldn't deliver on something they voted on dozens of times WHEN IT DIDN'T COUNT!!!!! :doh

I don't think you know what the word hypocrite means... :peace
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I think your prediction of future events is sorely incorrect.
 
Phys251 said:
Poll after poll after poll shows a clear support for more gun safety measures. But for those who oppose them, that tends to be their core issue. So this loud minority dominates our political discussion. Thus the Democrats know that they have to proceed carefully on this issue, even when the majority of the nation backs them.
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What constitutes more gun safety measures? Enforcing current laws? Strengthening mental health screen processes prior to gun ownership? Banning them? I don't think the majority of Americans support what the loud far left is trying to do.
 
trouble13 said:
I have thought about that how we could have background checks without having a database. I'm not sure if it's constitutionally sound but if you made people get a gun licence like a driver's license and that license involved you passing a background check. You could set it up that you need to present that license when you purchase a firearm. Kinda like how you buy alcohol. If you get into trouble your license becomes revoked. Doing it that way the gov would not know what weapons you have if any or how many. The only thing they would know is if you are eligible to have a gun or not.

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This is unconstitutional according to Democrats. Requiring people to pay for something that is a right disenfranchises minorities so it can't be put in place.
 
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