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Wrong answer, guy. You're expecting me to "prove a negative", which is impossible - it's a logical fallacy.

OHHH - but Trump is somehow expected to prove a negative - ie. prove that he didn't collude with Russia!!




That's why the burden of proof is always on the prosecution and not on the defense. The onus is on YOU to prove that there are other nations putting as much effort as Russia is to influence our elections...and there is NO evidence that any other nations are doing so.

You mention China - yeah, they do present a threat...but the threat they present is NOT against our democratic process. Yes, they are trying to steal our secrets - and Russia did too (remember the Rosenbergs? That's how they go the plans to build their own hydrogen bomb). But threatening our democratic process and inserting a candidate of RUSSIA's choosing - that's a clear and present danger to our nation's very sovereignty since they now have THEIR puppet in charge of OUR nuclear arsenal. No other nation has ever come close to that...but Russia has done it, and YOUR side is defending them for having done so.

Prove to me that China has less of an interest in interfering in the US political system than Russia does.
 
..and you still don't get it... great...
 
No, it would be like saying "why should we punish only this bank robber, when there are other bank robbers who aren't being investigated or punished?"

If you only investigate and punish bank robbers who speak Russian, and you're letting all the other bank robbers go, then there's a problem.

So, you have evidence that there are other countries using bots/troll farms to influence our elections and domestic politics. Great. Cite this evidence.

But even if you could cite that evidence, and you can't, that still doesn't wash. Try getting arrested and telling the cops "But they did it too! No FAIR I got caught and you're not putting them in jail TOO!!" TD liked your post. He'll tell you how well that works in the court system, especially when you can't point to any evidence CIA/FBI et al. are deliberately ignoring the same threats from China or whoever. We're actively killing AQ and ISIL folks, so it's not like you can use them as examples.
 
How would you know, unless you investigate?
Whole point with these cyber-hackers and meddlers is that they do their work without telling you.
But why would you assume that others like China don't do these things?

Uhh, China has penetrated just about every official computer network the US has. They've stolen stuff like the designs for the W-88 warhead, which Russia was never able to do. China also stole a list of all US federal govt employees and their personal details.

I'm assuming you're not still a child. So tell us how, "But mom, he did it too!" worked out for you.

Just as an aside, it's kind of frightening how the Trump lemmings are so easily led around by the nose. The propaganda tells them not to care about Russian meddling (hey, we did it too! Whatabout______?? Huh???) and so, with almost no resistance, they no longer care about Russian meddling in U.S. affairs.
 
The sanctions have not only not worked but they have been counterproductive....if there is a Plan B now is the time to find it.

Huh. Sanctions not enforced/not put in place haven't worked. Well, that's surprising! Can you explain why that might be? I can't figure it out. :roll:
 
OHHH - but Trump is somehow expected to prove a negative - ie. prove that he didn't collude with Russia!! Prove to me that China has less of an interest in interfering in the US political system than Russia does.

Wrong. No one's expecting Trump to disprove anything - that's just you making a strawman argument by putting up a false premise and then attacking that premise. And there is NO indication that China - or any other nation - has made anything like the wide-ranging and comprehensive effort that Russia did to influence our election...

...but it's pretty obvious why you don't want to hold Russia accountable - they helped your side, and so you really don't care if Trump is Putin's puppet.
 
Wrong. No one's expecting Trump to disprove anything - that's just you making a strawman argument by putting up a false premise and then attacking that premise. And there is NO indication that China - or any other nation - has made anything like the wide-ranging and comprehensive effort that Russia did to influence our election...

...but it's pretty obvious why you don't want to hold Russia accountable - they helped your side, and so you really don't care if Trump is Putin's puppet.

How do I know you'd fail to hold accountable any foreign power that might help your side?

If you want to be credible, you have to be against all foreign meddling, and not just any foreign power that you imagine is your adversary. When Trump is building up the US military, then why would Russia meddle in his favor, as compared to supporting the criminal-loving and America-weakening Democrats, who want to bring in every illegal foreigner and destroy American institutions? Your argument makes no sense - it once again tells me that Democrats are sore losers who will always blame their losses on some kind of trick or conspiracy.
 
How do I know you'd fail to hold accountable any foreign power that might help your side?

If you want to be credible, you have to be against all foreign meddling, and not just any foreign power that you imagine is your adversary. When Trump is building up the US military, then why would Russia meddle in his favor, as compared to supporting the criminal-loving and America-weakening Democrats, who want to bring in every illegal foreigner and destroy American institutions? Your argument makes no sense - it once again tells me that Democrats are sore losers who will always blame their losses on some kind of trick or conspiracy.

Has it occurred to you that I DO want ALL foreign meddling in our elections to be held accountable? As I've often posted elsewhere, if the positions were switched and it was Hillary who had benefited from Russia's wide-ranging and comprehensive effort to ensure the election of the candidate of their choice, I'd be calling for her impeachment right alongside you. Why? Because I remember the Cold War VERY well. I remember how deadly serious it was then, and I see how deadly serious it is now. After all, do you really think that Putin has our nation's best interests at heart, especially after his nation lost the Cold War to us? Do you really?

BUT the first one to be held accountable must ALWAYS be the president, the commander in chief, the one who sets our foreign policy, the one who controls our nuclear arsenal. Hillary is none of those. She lost, and she is a political has-been who is (vainly) struggling to stay relevant.
 
I'm personally not concerned that Russians have opinions on matters in other countries - including the US - and post them publicly on the Internet.

Why it bothers anyone else is beyond me... :shrug:
 
I'm personally not concerned that Russians have opinions on matters in other countries - including the US - and post them publicly on the Internet.

Why it bothers anyone else is beyond me... :shrug:

the Kleptocracy does much more than post them publicly on the Internet.

 
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