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Poll: Most Americans say Congress, Trump not doing enough to stop mass shootings[W:63]

MSgt said:
This is casual dismissal.

- We have spent an enormous fortune, with military and CIA participation, on an international "war on drugs" across the world.

- Our efforts against alcohol abuse involve countless social/help organizations, strict laws against DUIs that involve a confiscation of Rights, and even a period of legal Prohibition that introduce organized crime.

- Our efforts to deal with vehicular accidents include safety laws for vehicular manufacturing, the forced law of wearing seat belts, air bags, speed limits, radar guns, etc. That is "control."
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And the War on Drugs is a failure...so why should we waste that kind of money on a failed strategy?

As for cars, you can make all the regulations and laws you want...the death toll is still huge. Because we wont take the really hard steps that would make a difference.

Example: if you really cared about 'the children!', the law would be lowered to say, 35 mph everywhere. The death toll would be greatly reduced.

Would anyone like to tell me why the inconvenience of that (what? I have to leave earlier? What? It will take me longer and I have to plan differently?) isnt worth all the lives, adults and kids, that it would save?
 
apdst said:
Why would you suggest that Republican refusal to inact gun control will get them voted out, then?
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Why are you focussed on guns? So far the only mention of guns in this thread is you fretting about it.
Tell me, do you think things need to be done to try to address mass shootings?
 
Grand Mal said:
Why are you focussed on guns? So far the only mention of guns in this thread is you fretting about it.
Tell me, do you think things need to be done to try to address mass shootings?
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From the OP:

“While discussions are ongoing and revisions are being considered, the president is supportive of efforts to improve the federal background check system," White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said. According to the poll, gun control was a divisive topic across party lines. Of all the people surveyed, 58% said that shooting could have been prevented with stricter gun control laws. But Democrats overwhelmingly supported that statement (86%). A majority of independents also they believed stricter gun control could have prevented the shooting (57%). Only 29% of Republicans thought more restrictive laws could have helped. Comparably, most people (77%) believed mental health screening and treatment could have prevented that shooting. Broken down by political party, that belief was supported by Democrats (78%), Republicans (77%) and independents (78%) alike.
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Yes, I do.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Poll: Most Americans say Congress, Trump not doing enough to stop mass shootings



I also agree that Trump and Congress are not doing enough to tackle/prevent gun violence. Most mental hospitals were shut down during the Reagan administration. Trumps 2019 budget slashes federal funds for mental health, gun background checks, and school safety.

Related: Trump’s Budget Cuts Millions Of Dollars From Gun Background Check System

Trump Budget Cuts School Safety, Mental Health Programs

Have your representatives in Congress received donations from the NRA?
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Does Trump and Congress have the authority to tell local governments that they are not allowed to formulate their own policies to deal with criminal students? I don't think so, but if they did this tragedy in Broward County could have been averted.
 
Vox said:
Wrong.

Here's a good article that is factual about the funding, which is almost entirely from individuals.

The money powering the NRA

This is the true power of the NRA. Those individuals also vote and support candidates financially. Politicians know this.

Individuals.

Not gun companies.

Don't believe the brainwashing of the gun-haters.
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Um..."wrong."

Did you read your own article? Your article declares that private funding is up and that corporate funding is supposed to be "barred" from political use. It does not indicate what you are passing it off as. From your article...

A CNNMoney analysis of federal campaign finance records shows that much of this money comes from everyday Americans. And these contributions, which the NRA uses to keep pro-gun lawmakers in office, are on the rise. Some political funding comes from big corporations, many within the gun industry, which donate millions to the NRA. But companies are barred from donating to the NRA’s political action committee, which the agency uses to fill campaign coffers, run ads and send out mailers for and against candidates.

Unlike the PAC, it [NRA] isn’t able to donate directly to candidates. But it is able to receive millions of dollars in donations from corporations. The group is not required to disclose the names of its contributors or the details of these contributions, though some major gunmakers like Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Company have announced large donations in the past (though the NRA says that the vast majority of money comes from individual donors just like the PAC).
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So, the NRA say's...yet the NRA does not disclose? We are smarter than that I think. Here are some actual good factual articles...


...plenty of evidence suggests that it functions more like a powerful lobbying group for gun manufacturers and a political front for a small-but-vocal group of Second Amendment hardliners.

The organization now has significant financial ties to the gun manufacturing industry. According to a study from the Violence Policy Center, the gun industry has donated between $19.3 million and $60.2 million dollars to the NRA through its corporate sponsorship programs between 2005 and 2013. To put those figures into context, the NRA spent around $2.5 million on lobbying last year. Of the 76 people on the NRA’s board of directors, a group that includes entertainers like Tom Selleck and Ted Nugent, seven are gun company employees or spokespeople, according to Mother Jones.
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...the NRA is composed of half a dozen legal entities; some designed to run undisclosed attack ads in political campaigns, others to lobby and collect tens of millions in undisclosed, tax-deductible sums. This power has only been enhanced in the era of Citizens United, with large GOP donors in the last election reportedly funneling money to the NRA simply to use the group as a brand to pummel Democrats with nasty ads. (As The Huffington Post’s Peter Stone reported, even the Koch network now provides an undisclosed amount to the NRA.)

Despite the grassroots façade, there is much evidence to suggest that corporations that profit from unregulated gun use are propping up the NRA’s activities,...

And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments...
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These are wide known facts. And in the end, it will be those who profit from placing weapons in the hands of the mentally insane that will damage your Rights.
 
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MSgt said:
Did you read your own article? Your article declares that private funding is up and that corporate funding is supposed to be "barred" from political use.
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Yes, I did.

The whole point of the article is that the NRA is almost entirely funded by individuals.......NOT gun companies as you falsely claimed.
 
Vox said:
Yes, I did.

The whole point of the article is that the NRA is almost entirely funded by individuals.......NOT gun companies as you falsely claimed.
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Absolutely not. That is not what your article declared at all. I will help you again...

- It declared that individual donor money is on the rise, not that the NRA is almost entirely funded by individuals.

- It declared that the NRA is unable to directly donate to politicians, but its PAC can.

- It declared that the PAC is not required to disclose the names of its contributors or the details of these contributions.

What's the big deal? If its not the gun companies, then disclose that Johnny from Utah and Sally from Oregon are buying the politicians. But they don't.

What this means is that you are left either clinging to the NRA's ideological grass-roots argument or seeing through the bull **** and recognizing that this is a business. The NRA works for the gun companies...not you. And it absolutely in the gun companies best interest to vanquish all sense of responsibility from the Second Amendment. If we ever get to the point where we want to legalize gun purchases for 10 year olds, best believe that the NRA will be there fighting for that 10 year old's "Rights."
 
MSgt said:
The NRA works for the gun companies...not you.
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LOL! That's the whole point of all your babble.......and it's wrong.

The NRA IS ME!

It's doing exactly what I want. How is that not working for me?

LOL! You have lost touch with the most obvious reality, it would seem.
 
Vox said:
LOL! That's the whole point of all your babble.......and it's wrong.

The NRA IS ME!

It's doing exactly what I want. How is that not working for me?

LOL! You have lost touch with the most obvious reality, it would seem.
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No wonder you need the nutcases to have their Rights protected. The NRA is you? You are a wallet. That simple.
 
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MSgt said:
No wonder you need the nutcases to have their Rights protected. The NRA is you? You are a wallet. That simple.
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LOL!

No, I'm a voter and a political activist and a gun owner and the NRA pours big money into my gun rights.

Now how are they not working for me?

:)
 
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