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San Francisco Spends $30 Million Cleaning Feces, Needles

Erod

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https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...72430013.html?amp=y&__twitter_impression=true

How dirty is San Francisco? An NBC Bay Area Investigation reveals a dangerous mix of drug needles, garbage, and feces throughout downtown San Francisco. The Investigative Unit surveyed 153 blocks of the city – the more than 20-mile stretch includes popular tourist spots like Union Square and major hotel chains. The area – bordered by Van Ness Avenue, Market Street, Post Street and Grant Avenue – is also home to City Hall, schools, playgrounds, and a police station.

As the Investigative Unit photographed nearly a dozen hypodermic needles scattered across one block, a group of preschool students happened to walk by on their way to an afternoon field trip to citiy hall.

“We see poop, we see pee, we see needles, and we see trash,” said teacher Adelita Orellana. “Sometimes they ask what is it, and that’s a conversation that’s a little difficult to have with a 2-year old, but we just let them know that those things are full of germs, that they are dangerous, and they should never be touched.”
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Have you been to San Francisco lately?

I have on business multiple times, and I've been there many times over the years. Used to be one of my favorite places to go.

Now, it's just filthy. Disgustingly gross, and random where you run into it. Homeless people openly urinating, defecating, and doing all sorts of drugs plainly in public.

These hard left causes are catching up with the Bay Area quickly.
 
Are you opposed to all of that job creation? A key mission of big government is to show a need for even bigger government.
 
The liberal utopia turns out to be a sh*thole. What a surprise.
 
Erod said:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...72430013.html?amp=y&__twitter_impression=true



Have you been to San Francisco lately?

I have on business multiple times, and I've been there many times over the years. Used to be one of my favorite places to go.

Now, it's just filthy. Disgustingly gross, and random where you run into it. Homeless people openly urinating, defecating, and doing all sorts of drugs plainly in public.

These hard left causes are catching up with the Bay Area quickly.
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ttwtt78640 said:
Are you opposed to all of that job creation? A key mission of big government is to show a need for even bigger government.
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JoeTrumps said:
The liberal utopia turns out to be a sh*thole. What a surprise.
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Dallas and Houston are notoriously dirty. Most major Scandinavian countries are very clean. Maybe this isn't so simply reduced to politics.
 
Erod said:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...72430013.html?amp=y&__twitter_impression=true



Have you been to San Francisco lately?

I have on business multiple times, and I've been there many times over the years. Used to be one of my favorite places to go.

Now, it's just filthy. Disgustingly gross, and random where you run into it. Homeless people openly urinating, defecating, and doing all sorts of drugs plainly in public.

These hard left causes are catching up with the Bay Area quickly.
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Those are techies who make less than a million a year and can no longer afford to live in free market San Francisco.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Dallas and Houston are notoriously dirty. Most major Scandinavian countries are very clean. Maybe this isn't so simply reduced to politics.
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Dallas has never had a downtown scene. Fort Worth does. Houston is the armpit of Texas in countless ways.

Scandinavian countries have a very small homeless population. Plus, they're largely indigenous.
 
Erod's information is about 25 years out of date. Houston has a thriving, clean, and safe downtown scene, unlike in the 80's.
 
JoeTrumps said:
The liberal utopia turns out to be a sh*thole. What a surprise.
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Perhaps it should strive to be like conservative utopias, such as Mississippi.

You people and your partisan BS need to shut down the computers and get out more.
 
vanceen said:
Erod's information is about 25 years out of date. Houston has a thriving, clean, and safe downtown scene, unlike in the 80's.
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Really? I have friends who live and work there and hate it. Guess it's a matter of opinion.
 
Erod said:
These hard left causes are catching up with the Bay Area quickly.
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JoeTrumps said:
The liberal utopia turns out to be a sh*thole. What a surprise.
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PleasantValley said:
Then again, maybe it is.
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ttwtt78640 said:
Dallas and Houston are also big blue cities.
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It is political. American cities are really not that progressive or left-wing compared to European cities. American politics both on the Left and the Right are exceptionally right-wing. It shifts the entire American political spectrum to the right. Additionally it is absolutely evidenced by the overall cleanliness of American vs. North/West European cities, with some notable exceptions like Paris. There are two broad reasons for that:

First, most of these countries idolize the Welfare state and therefore will provide better housing assistance to citizens. Anyone who has extensively traveled in North & West Europe can tell you that there is far less public evidence of homelessness in Europe cities verses American cities.

Second, most of these cities have well-funded sanitation and parks departments. Culturally it's rooted in an emphasis on public aesthetics that doesn't exist in America. Politically it's that the average city dweller doesn't mind paying higher taxes for this service.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Dallas and Houston are notoriously dirty. Most major Scandinavian countries are very clean. Maybe this isn't so simply reduced to politics.
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Politics may be the reason why, for example, socialist, Scandinavian countries' downtown areas aren't as dirty as the downtown areas of socialist Dallas and Houston.
(1)The ethnic groups comprising the dirty downtown areas of the Texas towns may not be as willing to cleanup after themselves as the Scandinavian ethnic groups comprising their downtown areas.
(2) The socialist policies of the downtown Texas towns may not have as vigorous a 'cleaning campaign' as the Scandinavian counterpart.
(3) There is probably a larger downtown area population among the Texas towns than the Scandinavian towns.

One would think there would be a large enough and willing enough working population to clean up each mess in the Texas and Scandinavian towns.
 
brothern said:
It is political. American cities are really not that progressive or left-wing compared to European cities. American politics both on the Left and the Right are exceptionally right-wing. It shifts the entire American political spectrum to the right. Additionally it is absolutely evidenced by the overall cleanliness of American vs. North/West European cities, with some notable exceptions like Paris. There are two broad reasons for that:

First, most of these countries idolize the Welfare state and therefore will provide better housing assistance to citizens. Anyone who has extensively traveled in North & West Europe can tell you that there is far less public evidence of homelessness in Europe cities verses American cities.

Second, most of these cities have well-funded sanitation and parks departments. Culturally it's rooted in an emphasis on public aesthetics that doesn't exist in America. Politically it's that the average city dweller doesn't mind paying higher taxes for this service.
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You forgot to add that families in that part of Europe pretty much lives in a 700 sq foot apartment.

And you are wrong about the taxes. They mind paying those taxes very much.
 
vanceen said:
Erod's information is about 25 years out of date. Houston has a thriving, clean, and safe downtown scene, unlike in the 80's.
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Part of downtown is nicer these days. But it's still tucked in a dangerously crime ridden and violent area.
 
cabse5 said:
Politics may be the reason why, for example, socialist, Scandinavian countries' downtown areas aren't as dirty as the downtown areas of socialist Dallas and Houston.
(1)The ethnic groups comprising the dirty downtown areas of the Texas towns may not be as willing to cleanup after themselves as the Scandinavian ethnic groups comprising their downtown areas.
(2) The socialist policies of the downtown Texas towns may not have as vigorous a 'cleaning campaign' as the Scandinavian counterpart.
(3) There is probably a larger downtown area population among the Texas towns than the Scandinavian towns.

One would think there would be a large enough and willing enough working population to clean up each mess in the Texas and Scandinavian towns.
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So it's about race is it? :roll:
 
leekohler2 said:
Really? I have friends who live and work there and hate it. Guess it's a matter of opinion.
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I can see how a lot of people might not like it. It's a very big, sprawling city that requires lots of driving, and the weather is deadly hot about five months out of the year.

But there's a strong music and arts scene, and downtown is full of social life in the evenings, unlike thirty years ago when you would only find crazy people there after about seven.

As for being a right-wing bastion, anyone might question that after looking at our last couple of mayors.
 
If only we had sensible policies to deal with poverty and drug abuse, then this conversation would be a very different one. But we can't have that, because any government policy that doesn't involve bombs, guns, and prisons is librul soshalism. :doh
 
poweRob said:
So it's about race is it? :roll:
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You mean ethnicity? For me, no. For you, yes. For you race.

There are many races and ethnicities in the downtown areas of the Texas towns and, as at a high school close to where I live that I walk my dog every day, I'm familiar with the messes left by students of all races and ethnicities. I think the key is no one at either the school or downtown Texas town demands people cleanup after themselves. So, the fault may actually be with the policy of the town with the messy downtown...and here we are, off topic.
 
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Erod said:
Dallas has never had a downtown scene. Fort Worth does. Houston is the armpit of Texas in countless ways.

Scandinavian countries have a very small homeless population. Plus, they're largely indigenous.
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Sprawl is what destroyed the great downtowns in many cities. Cities with natural boundaries like NYC, SF and Seattle have thrived.
 
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