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Trump blames everyone but Russia[W:206]

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Yep. But it doesn't change the fact that it shone a light on actual electoral corruption within the democrat party.

Democratic Party. Why tip yourself off as a troll so easily?
 
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Twenty students and six adults -- were shot and killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, was the president of that time to blame? why did that president not do something about banning guns? Given a pass because he was not republican?


I don't really see where anyone is 'blaming' the president for the incident. They are, however, taking issue with his handling of the aftermath......



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Perhaps I do underestimate it. As anyone who has read my posts recently, especially since the Rob Porter thing, knows, I have given up on the president's supporters. I don't hate them. I certainly don't hate conservatives in general. But the president and his supporters are just too far gone for me. One of the reasons I joined DP was to gain a better understanding of what conservatives dislike about liberalism. Unfortunately, I haven't had as many thoughtful and productive dialogues about that as I would like.

what conservatives hate about liberals is that liberals won't conform to their ideology and beliefs. It's that simple. There's also the fact that liberalism almost always ends up defeating conservatism in the long run. There are MANY examples of this.
 
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Considering how much time the left has spent speculating (hoping) this investigation would prove Trump colluded with the Russians, it has been a massive fail for them.

You do realize it's been almost strictly conservatives talking about collusion since Friday, right?
 
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Nothing illegal was exposed in those DNC emails. They were legal private correspondence weaponized by the Russians and strategically used to help Trump win. Your analogy was a fail. The idea that you condone that behavior goes against all our values.

That's the saddest part about it. The legality of the glaring corruption,
 
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Irrelevant.

Whoever stole and leaked those emails deserve prison time.

I agree. Still doesn't change my mind about what they exposed.
 
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Perhaps I do underestimate it. As anyone who has read my posts recently, especially since the Rob Porter thing, knows, I have given up on the president's supporters. I don't hate them. I certainly don't hate conservatives in general. But the president and his supporters are just too far gone for me. One of the reasons I joined DP was to gain a better understanding of what conservatives dislike about liberalism. Unfortunately, I haven't had as many thoughtful and productive dialogues about that as I would like.

Unfortunately it appears that Conservatism as been abandoned in favor of tribalism and that explains you problem. They really don't have any agenda but supporting their dear leader in all he does and says.
 
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I agree. Still doesn't change my mind about what they exposed.

Really? You mean you were a Hillary supporter before the hacked emails were leaked? Don't make me laugh.
 
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Twenty students and six adults -- were shot and killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, was the president of that time to blame? why did that president not do something about banning guns? Given a pass because he was not republican?

Of course, not. The blame for a crime lies with the criminal and the need for better public school security lies with local school board. The idea that everything is (or should be) a federal issue is moronic.
 
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But Russia stole the DNC’s emails.

The DNC was the victim of cyber espionage.

This isn't a criminal case, it's an election we're talking about. If the information is valid and you want to be neutral at least in regards to what information you consider, you therefore consider it.

I am all for our government and even corporations fighting against identified Russian propaganda when discovered, but if the question is whether I vote for a person and valid negative information is presented about that person, I consider the information even if it was stolen.

That said, it seems odd to me that those emails would convince someone that the appropriate response was voting for Donald Trump (a festering pile of ****), when someone could just as easily sit home or vote third party.



Still doesn't matter. Why do you think that matters? As long as the information is true, it is true. No one contested the validity of the information.

Ok...let's try the consistency check. If we found out that Donald Trump has a camp of 13-15 year old girls under his house in Florida that he uses for sex but we find out because someone hacked his phone, do we vote against him or for him?

If we're being consistent, why are we comparing the emails to imprisoning sex slaves?

That aside, what is so bad about those emails that someone who wanted to vote Democrat generally but disliked Hillary would be pushed to vote for Trump ("against" Hillary) as compared to voting third party or sitting home (protest vote/non-vote)?

Wasn't the main thrust that they suggested a campaign to unfairly undermine Sanders in the primary, that they plotted dirty attacks such as getting a reporter to ask Sanders if he's an atheist, etc?


There was also this....

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/us/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails-fundraising.html

....but hey, I think Citizens United was a terrible decision and that campaign funding needs to be completely reworked: much bigger limits on private donations, plus a public guarantee that at various points, the top X candidates get funding matching the leading candidate, for each party. Make sure they get less private donations and reduce the incentive to try to buy out an election by making sure the underdog gets pulled up to the leaders' contribution level on the public dime.
 
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You do realize it's been almost strictly conservatives talking about collusion since Friday, right?

Every other word out of Trump's tweets has been collusion. It certainly appears he "doth protest too much".
 
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I wonder how long this thread would have lasted if it had been about the last President. you hope the President dies and goes to hell? Why don't you die and go to hell you sicko?

I shouldn't have said that last bit, but it was too late to edit the OP when I went back to change it. It was Phys251 by the way who prompted me to reconsider my words, not your personal post against me. I'm not wishing death or an assassination on the president. I just meant that I think he is a thoroughly bad person and that the world will be a better place without his evil influence. I'm sort of parsing words here, but not everything we say can be taken back. I meant what I said. I also wish I had said it differently.
 
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This isn't a criminal case, it's an election we're talking about. If the information is valid and you want to be neutral at least in regards to what information you consider, you therefore consider it.

I am all for our government and even corporations fighting against identified Russian propaganda when discovered, but if the question is whether I vote for a person and valid negative information is presented about that person, I consider the information even if it was stolen.






If we're being consistent, why are we comparing the emails to imprisoning sex slaves?

But since it is an election that has winners and losers we also have to consider the bias involved in the hacking. It was done for a specific purpose and that purpose was not transparency was it? No effort was made to release any damaging emails about the GOP was there? No, the entire purpose of the hacking was to help Trump win by only releasing information that would damage Hillary and the DNC. This and the fact that it was done by a foreign adversary is what makes the crime so heinous, the info was not all that terrible and certainly not anything illegal but the way it was released and used by the Trump campaign certainly might be.

Donald Trump Jr.’s overeager response to a Russian intermediary’s offer for dirt on Hillary Clinton—“I love it”—essentially ensured that his subsequent meeting with Kremlin-connected lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya would become a key focus for federal investigators. Trump Jr., his lawyers, the White House, and his father have all dismissed that meeting, which took place at Trump Tower in June 2016, as meaningless. “It was a 20-minute meeting, I guess, from what I’m hearing,” Trump said in defense of his son. “Many people, and many political pros, said everybody would do that.” But in a two-and-a-half-hour long interview with Bloomberg in Moscow, Veselnitskaya offered a much more damning account of the meeting, in which she says Don Jr. hinted at a quid pro quo deal.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/donald-trump-jr-natalia-vetelnitskaya-trump-tower-meeting
 
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Really? You mean you were a Hillary supporter before the hacked emails were leaked? Don't make me laugh.

LOL, no. I WAS a Bernie supporter, though. And what the DNC did will likely keep me from supporting them ever again.
 
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But it wasn't all Americans who elected Trump. It was mostly Americans who are registered Republicans who elected Trump. So if anyone is to blame for the Trump fiasco, it's Republican voters. He is a president who they put into office, and everything he does is rightfully going to be blamed on them.

I don't think it's ever too late to renounce the president. I can forgive anyone who voted for him if they will just be honest about him now and admit how disastrous he has been for the country and its institutions.
 
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This isn't a criminal case, it's an election we're talking about. If the information is valid and you want to be neutral at least in regards to what information you consider, you therefore consider it.

I am all for our government and even corporations fighting against identified Russian propaganda when discovered, but if the question is whether I vote for a person and valid negative information is presented about that person, I consider the information even if it was stolen.

That said, it seems odd to me that those emails would convince someone that the appropriate response was voting for Donald Trump (a festering pile of ****), when someone could just as easily sit home or vote third party.





If we're being consistent, why are we comparing the emails to imprisoning sex slaves?

That aside, what is so bad about those emails that someone who wanted to vote Democrat generally but disliked Hillary would be pushed to vote for Trump ("against" Hillary) as compared to voting third party or sitting home (protest vote/non-vote)?

Wasn't the main thrust that they suggested a campaign to unfairly undermine Sanders in the primary, that they plotted dirty attacks such as getting a reporter to ask Sanders if he's an atheist, etc?


There was also this....

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/us/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails-fundraising.html

....but hey, I think Citizens United was a terrible decision and that campaign funding needs to be completely reworked: much bigger limits on private donations, plus a public guarantee that at various points, the top X candidates get funding matching the leading candidate, for each party. Make sure they get less private donations and reduce the incentive to try to buy out an election by making sure the underdog gets pulled up to the leaders' contribution level on the public dime.

To vote for the worst person, as a big F you to the people that the option of Bernie away.

A LOT of butt hurt Bernie supporters voted for trump in anger.
 
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Snide remarks made in private about a candidate are hardly "sabotage."

So you never read the emails? They detailed collusion between media and DNC officials to support Hillary. Google it.
 
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I don't think it's ever too late to renounce the president. I can forgive anyone who voted for him if they will just be honest about him now and admit how disastrous he has been for the country and its institutions.

Heh. And what if I voted for him to be exactly that...a disaster?
 
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So you never read the emails? They detailed collusion between media and DNC officials to support Hillary. Google it.

As I said, snide remarks made in private are not "sabotage."
 
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