Longtime Republican donor calls for new gun laws, vows to withhold cash

Lursa said:

DIdnt say that. Is every guy that acts out in road rage mentally ill and needs help?

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Yes. Normal people do not go into road rage over every day traffic. Yes they need help. I went and got help for myself over frustration of traffic. I did not go into road rage but it elevated my blood pressure and was making me miserable. I put blue dots on my mirror and windshield to remind me to take a deep breath and look around at the scenery, sunset, and relax. It works almost as well as marijuana. I learned to leave early and to allow for traffic in my scheduling so I had extra time. I learned to plan trips to avoid rush hour traffic. I learned to shop next to where I work allowing me to go home after rush hour. Instead of fighting traffic home and then going right back out in it to shop.

Lursa said:

SHould be denied a gun? Some of them also kill people.

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Yes they should be denied a gun until they get control of themselves mentally. You think someone getting out of their car on the freeway running up to someone else's care screaming and pounding on their car irrationally should have a gun. I have seen them threaten another driver with a gun flashing it and screaming threats. These people clearly need help and should not be allowed to have a gun until they have brought this rage under control.

Lursa said:

How about people that have a poor relationship and are jealous and come home and find the spouse in bed with another and shoot them? Mentally ill?

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Do you know how many people have caught their spouse cheating on them? The vast majority are in control of their emotions and did not kill anyone. The reason they did not kill themselves or someone else is because they are not mentally ill or unstable. Sorry but those are the facts.

Lursa said:

Rage, resentment, bitterness, revenge, jealousy...many or all of these things contribute to these active shootings. Are people that feel this way mentally ill?

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People that harbor these emotions and act out on them are mentally ill and need to seek professional help. Absolutely.

If I see a kid bullying another kid and I become mad and put a stop to it and inform the parents on what is happening that is normal. If I am still mad an hour later now I have a problem.

If I went into a rage and knocked the kid to the ground picked him up and shook him violently yes I need mental help. If weeks later I still harbor bitterness, resentment, hate, or feel the need to seek revenge against that child I need mental help and quick. And of course anyone harboring jealousy day in and day out needs to get help asap. All are clear signs of mental illness.

Lursa said:

Many people are somewhat dysfunctional in life. And then events or life circumstances may push them into action.

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Without a doubt. That is when you need to seek help. Almost know one goes through life without needing physical help. A stich in a finger, a bone set, blood pressure medicine, or some sort of surgery is considered almost a right. Why cant we look the same way at mental health. When that becomes our priority instead of making laws and ruling over people instead of serving them only then will these killings stop.

Lursa said:

Acting out on emotions and/or not being able to control yourself are not always mental illness. What you are writing implies that all criminals are mentally ill.

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Not being in control of your emotions to the point where you go out and kill people is a clear sign of metal illness. There is no question in my mind about it. I think most criminals are mentally ill. Releasing them back onto the streets after serving their sentence has proven disastrous. Most only commit even more crimes and become even more dangerous to society. Ask anyone working in the prison system. Prison turns a small problem into a nightmare. That is because confinement and punishment do not cure mental illness but make it worse.

NonoBadDog said:

We need to start somewhere. I am all for protecting the children in our schools. We spend huge amounts of money on schools already. Four more people in a school that already employs a full maintenance staff, administration and teachers isn't that much. It's worth it.
So, what's your solution? You know what you are thinking. Say it. Do you want to ban "assault" weapons and semi auto handguns? Is that the solution? Not gonna happen. Too many out there already.

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I've always found it to be nice to trust a poster when he or she says "I have no solution".

My solution (that you claim you can read my mind about) is the same as it was a few posts ago when I said "I don't have a solution". But thanks for assuming I lied.

MateoMtnClimber said:

I'm not. I'm correcting you because your game is tired and repetitive.

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I asked a question it was a very simple question.

I asked what law which there are already plenty on the books now would have prevented this from happening?

that was the question.

You start off by strawnmaning bringing up gun bans. No where did i say anything about gun bans.

You next statement was where the true answer was. YOU DON'T KNOW.
anything else past that point is mere red herring.

The fact is there is little that can be done. The only real solution is to try and stop it before it happens.
That takes the police and the school, and the FBI working together to find these things out before hand.

These people 9/10 will post their crap all over the internet for some reason.
These people do not give one crap about what laws you want to pass.

They will find a way to carry out their plan to do whatever it is they want to do.
that is the problem with irrational people. They don't think like you want them too.

tres borrachos said:

I've always found it to be nice to trust a poster when he or she says "I have no solution".

My solution (that you claim you can read my mind about) is the same as it was a few posts ago when I said "I don't have a solution". But thanks for assuming I lied.

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I never said that you lied. I asked if you want to ban assault weapons. From other conversations it seems that you have a problem with average people owning assault weapons. Did you go through all those textual gymnastics to avoid answering the question?

NonoBadDog said:

I never said that you lied. I asked if you want to ban assault weapons. From other conversations it seems that you have a problem with average people owning assault weapons. Did you go through all those textual gymnastics to avoid answering the question?

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Textual gymnastics? I didn't say you lied, but I'm going to accuse you of textual gymnastics to avoid answering a question!

The one I already answered.

You don't want to debate. You want to attack. Not for me, thanks.

By the way, my husband owns assault weapons. I've posted that here many times, and for years. He's perfectly average. Next time don't assume something that "seems" to be a way to you. Ask the question.

upsideguy said:

Because the NRA, the organization that you are a member of, and therefore have influence upon, continues to stymie any discussion on the role of the gun or access to guns as a PART of a integrated solution to reducing the number of mass shootings in America. The NRA MUST be a part of the solution, but to date, they have abdicated that responsibility. As a member of that organization YOU have abdicated that responsibility.

The NRA are masters at providing cover for their owned members by obfuscation and confusion. The previous tactic was to always focus on the latest shooting trying to explain why gun legislation would not have stopped the last attack; now they have thrown in the highly effective "now is not the time...". Each are absurd, but have unfortunately been effective.

Now, our nation's leaders are a feeble crew; unable to lead or solve America's problems. In pure democracy, the people should be able to shame them into doing the right thing. But, with America's elections very expensive, the NRA easily buys their loyalty from the very constituents are politicians represent. So, what We the People must do is to separate the NRA from ITS money.

Its time to go after the NRA membership. To let them realize that their contributions to the NRA are working in the perversion of the NRA mission, which was gun safety and protection of 2nd Amendment rights. Gun safety is no longer an NRA concern. Mass shootings are not an example of guns being used safely or for their intended purpose....and, the NRA's failure act to do the right thing to be a part of the process of solve the abuse of firearms in America is its own threat to the 2nd Amendment....as, any right that is abused is met with restriction.

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The problem isn't with the nations leaders, the problem starts at HOME. It's time for parents to be parents instead of my child's best friend. This stuff is a problem with society as a whole, and nothing the government can come up with will stop this. This carp starts and stops at home.

ludin said:

I asked a question it was a very simple question.

I asked what law which there are already plenty on the books now would have prevented this from happening?

that was the question.

You start off by strawnmaning bringing up gun bans. No where did i say anything about gun bans.

You next statement was where the true answer was. YOU DON'T KNOW.
anything else past that point is mere red herring.

The fact is there is little that can be done. The only real solution is to try and stop it before it happens.
That takes the police and the school, and the FBI working together to find these things out before hand.

These people 9/10 will post their crap all over the internet for some reason.
These people do not give one crap about what laws you want to pass.

They will find a way to carry out their plan to do whatever it is they want to do.
that is the problem with irrational people. They don't think like you want them too.

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You talk to yourself and never listen/read. I'm done combating your lies.

PIPEWRENCH said:

Yes. Normal people do not go into road rage over every day traffic. Yes they need help. I went and got help for myself over frustration of traffic. I did not go into road rage but it elevated my blood pressure and was making me miserable. I put blue dots on my mirror and windshield to remind me to take a deep breath and look around at the scenery, sunset, and relax. It works almost as well as marijuana. I learned to leave early and to allow for traffic in my scheduling so I had extra time. I learned to plan trips to avoid rush hour traffic. I learned to shop next to where I work allowing me to go home after rush hour. Instead of fighting traffic home and then going right back out in it to shop.



Yes they should be denied a gun until they get control of themselves mentally. You think someone getting out of their car on the freeway running up to someone else's care screaming and pounding on their car irrationally should have a gun. I have seen them threaten another driver with a gun flashing it and screaming threats. These people clearly need help and should not be allowed to have a gun until they have brought this rage under control.



Do you know how many people have caught their spouse cheating on them? The vast majority are in control of their emotions and did not kill anyone. The reason they did not kill themselves or someone else is because they are not mentally ill or unstable. Sorry but those are the facts.




People that harbor these emotions and act out on them are mentally ill and need to seek professional help. Absolutely.

If I see a kid bullying another kid and I become mad and put a stop to it and inform the parents on what is happening that is normal. If I am still mad an hour later now I have a problem.

If I went into a rage and knocked the kid to the ground picked him up and shook him violently yes I need mental help. If weeks later I still harbor bitterness, resentment, hate, or feel the need to seek revenge against that child I need mental help and quick. And of course anyone harboring jealousy day in and day out needs to get help asap. All are clear signs of mental illness.



Without a doubt. That is when you need to seek help. Almost know one goes through life without needing physical help. A stich in a finger, a bone set, blood pressure medicine, or some sort of surgery is considered almost a right. Why cant we look the same way at mental health. When that becomes our priority instead of making laws and ruling over people instead of serving them only then will these killings stop.



Not being in control of your emotions to the point where you go out and kill people is a clear sign of metal illness. There is no question in my mind about it. I think most criminals are mentally ill. Releasing them back onto the streets after serving their sentence has proven disastrous. Most only commit even more crimes and become even more dangerous to society. Ask anyone working in the prison system. Prison turns a small problem into a nightmare. That is because confinement and punishment do not cure mental illness but make it worse.

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Well sorry, I disagree with your opinion that most criminals and people that cannot control their emotions are mentally ill. And I dont believe the American Psychiatric Assoc would agree with you either.

Terryj said:

The problem isn't with the nations leaders, the problem starts at HOME. It's time for parents to be parents instead of my child's best friend. This stuff is a problem with society as a whole, and nothing the government can come up with will stop this. This carp starts and stops at home.

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Its a multi-faceted problem that demands a multi-faceted solution. What you say may be a PART of the answer, but to decide that is the entire answer is cop-out as for one, you are declaring it someone else's problem.

One of the major arguments against what you say..... do you think the problem you outlined is 6 times worse than Canada? Are they that much better parents? After all, Canada is very similar to the US in culture, other than their parenting skills are so much better....

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

Let me help you. They are not. You might be on to a facet, but to call it the entire solution is, forgive me, a mindless cop-out... blame it on someone else so you (or I) don't have to own it. I think we all own it to some degree.

So, I do concede that you say it "starts" at home, which implies that you agree its multi-faceted. However, you only want to talk about a part of the solution.