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Longtime Republican donor calls for new gun laws, vows to withhold cash

MateoMtnClimber said:
Have you ever in your life seen me advocate for a gun ban? Go scratch. Your interpretation of the 2A also doesn't matter to me. I don't know if you're an attorney, but you're definitely too partisan to be trusted.
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Why can't you people ever answer the friggen question instead of constantly deflecting and strawmaning

What would you pass that would have stopped it and not infringed on the right rights of law abiding citizens to own guns?
no one brought up gun bans or anything else but you. so there is the strawman.

so why can't you answer the question?
 
blackjack50 said:
I’m an NRA member. Can you explain to me how it is my fault that someone I don’t know decided to do something in an area I couldn’t get too? Can you explain that? This is just as much your fault.
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Because the NRA, the organization that you are a member of, and therefore have influence upon, continues to stymie any discussion on the role of the gun or access to guns as a PART of a integrated solution to reducing the number of mass shootings in America. The NRA MUST be a part of the solution, but to date, they have abdicated that responsibility. As a member of that organization YOU have abdicated that responsibility.

The NRA are masters at providing cover for their owned members by obfuscation and confusion. The previous tactic was to always focus on the latest shooting trying to explain why gun legislation would not have stopped the last attack; now they have thrown in the highly effective "now is not the time...". Each are absurd, but have unfortunately been effective.

Now, our nation's leaders are a feeble crew; unable to lead or solve America's problems. In pure democracy, the people should be able to shame them into doing the right thing. But, with America's elections very expensive, the NRA easily buys their loyalty from the very constituents are politicians represent. So, what We the People must do is to separate the NRA from ITS money.

Its time to go after the NRA membership. To let them realize that their contributions to the NRA are working in the perversion of the NRA mission, which was gun safety and protection of 2nd Amendment rights. Gun safety is no longer an NRA concern. Mass shootings are not an example of guns being used safely or for their intended purpose....and, the NRA's failure act to do the right thing to be a part of the process of solve the abuse of firearms in America is its own threat to the 2nd Amendment....as, any right that is abused is met with restriction.
 
dobieg said:
Of course you are. You just don't have the balls to say it.
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Yes, I am willing to call out the NRA members by saying they have blood on their hands, yet I lack balls?

You can not seem to offer anything other than one-liners. I can suggest you are lacking many things, but probably not balls.
 
ludin said:
Why can't you people ever answer the friggen question instead of constantly deflecting and strawmaning

What would you pass that would have stopped it and not infringed on the right rights of law abiding citizens to own guns?
no one brought up gun bans or anything else but you. so there is the strawman.

so why can't you answer the question?
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Jesus Christ. Listen. I don't know what specific law or laws would have prevented the FL massacre. I didn't even say that passing a law or laws has to be the answer. You told me to say that because you're a dishonest poster.

So let me make this as clear as a person like you apparently needs it to be. We have a serious and growing problem with mass violence in this country. We don't even know what the causes are because the NRA and the Republican party refuse to allow a conversation about it. You nor I nor anyone else can even suggest solutions because we don't understand the problem because those psychotic assholes would rather see thousands of people murdered than risk losing a gun. To be fair, the idiots on the other side of the issue also prevent debate because they approach it from a perspective that guns are the problem and need to be banned.

So what we need to do as a country of supposed adults with functioning brains is sit down and talk. We need to talk about the social, cultural, and functional aspects of our civilization that cause lots of people to kill lots of other people while all the other people sit around, watch it, and shrug like a bunch of ****ing imbeciles. It's an utterly barbaric reality in what is perceived to be an advanced country. I hope you get it now.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Longtime Republican donor calls for new gun laws, vows to withhold cash



Perhaps this threat will snowball. One would have thought the GOP would perhaps rethink gun laws after Republican Congressmen practicing for a baseball game were attacked by a shooter in June of 2017. Representative Steve Scalise (R/LA) was badly injured. But NRA money prevailed. However, GOP campaign donors are beginning to appreciate that the next mass-shooting incident could easily claim the lives of their immediate family members, relatives, friends, and colleague's. No one is immune from such tragedy.
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He may as well go ahead and become a Dem supporter, the GOP will not ban AR's, and his couple of Million is a drop in the bucket.
 
Cardinal said:
It's a nice thought, but National Rifle Association PACs outspend individuals by 85 times. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082&cycle=2014

The NRA is a behemoth. It gets the majority of its funding from arms manufacturers and can make up any loss to a candidates as the result of individuals failing to donate with ease.
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It also gets money from people like me who believe we need to do something about the root problem. That is to get these people who have mental health issues the help they need before they hurt or kill anyone. I will continue to support the NRA who fights for the rights and freedom of hundreds of millions of law abiding citizens.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Jesus Christ. Listen. I don't know what specific law or laws would have prevented the FL massacre. I didn't even say that passing a law or laws has to be the answer. You told me to say that because you're a dishonest poster.

So let me make this as clear as a person like you apparently needs it to be. We have a serious and growing problem with mass violence in this country. We don't even know what the causes are because the NRA and the Republican party refuse to allow a conversation about it. You nor I nor anyone else can even suggest solutions because we don't understand the problem because those psychotic assholes would rather see thousands of people murdered than risk losing a gun. To be fair, the idiots on the other side of the issue also prevent debate because they approach it from a perspective that guns are the problem and need to be banned.

So what we need to do as a country of supposed adults with functioning brains is sit down and talk. We need to talk about the social, cultural, and functional aspects of our civilization that cause lots of people to kill lots of other people while all the other people sit around, watch it, and shrug like a bunch of ****ing imbeciles. It's an utterly barbaric reality in what is perceived to be an advanced country. I hope you get it now.
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We need people to take responsibility. The only prevention from these lone wolf psychotic killers is first identifying them. I just did that recently. My father has dementia. I have removed his guns. I took responsibility. This is your solution. Not restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. People need to look in the mirror and say I am going to address the problem. Odds are he would never have hurt anyone. However what if he shot a friend or family member he no long remembers thinking they are an intruder.

Parents need to look at their children especially in the late teens and see what is happening. The signs are always there if you want to see them. Whether it is depression, drugs, anger, hate, vengeance, etc. I always think of the saying "Only you can prevent forest fires." You can substitute a whole lot of other problems for forest fires and have the best answer to a problem.
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
We need people to take responsibility. The only prevention from these lone wolf psychotic killers is first identifying them. I just did that recently. My father has dementia. I have removed his guns. I took responsibility. This is your solution. Not restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. People need to look in the mirror and say I am going to address the problem. Odds are he would never have hurt anyone. However what if he shot a friend or family member he no long remembers thinking they are an intruder.

Parents need to look at their children especially in the late teens and see what is happening. The signs are always there if you want to see them. Whether it is depression, drugs, anger, hate, vengeance, etc. I always think of the saying "Only you can prevent forest fires." You can substitute a whole lot of other problems for forest fires and have the best answer to a problem.
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Which people need to take responsibility? If your father didn't have a son, whose job is it to take away his guns? I didn't say restrict what you think are the rights of law abiding citizens, although that might be a part of the solution. I said we need to explore why this type of violence happens so often in this country. The answer is not always dementia.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Finally. This needs to become a universal movement. Nothing matters to Republicans except money and defending the president. They will never discuss violence and guns in particular until the well runs dry. I will respect, maybe even praise, every politician who decides to do something and every member of the public who encourages them to do so.
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So, you encourage billionaires to openly "buy" laws they prefer?!? tsk, tsk, tsk


We all know that bills are written by lobbyists and not our lawmakers, however, making it now blatently obvious that mega money can buy laws is not gonna be especially beneficial to senators. (grin)
 
I envy leftists at times. When discussing anything substantive and complex, they get the far easier job of emoting while the rest of us reason and analyze.
 
Barnacle said:
So, you encourage billionaires to openly "buy" laws they prefer?!? tsk, tsk, tsk


We all know that bills are written by lobbyists and not our lawmakers, however, making it now blatently obvious that mega money can buy laws is not gonna be especially beneficial to senators. (grin)
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I encourage billionaires not to buy their influence from corrupt politicians who would prefer to watch body bags filled with children get rolled down sidewalks than stand up to the NRA.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I encourage billionaires not to buy their influence from corrupt politicians who would prefer to watch body bags filled with children get rolled down sidewalks than stand up to the NRA.
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So, basically you encourage billionaires to buy their influence from corrupt politicians. :lol:
 
Barnacle said:
Oh, sorry ... I see it now ... you encourage billionaires to buy their influence from politicians you consider not being corrupt. Got it.
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Nope. Still making up stuff and putting words I never said in my mouth.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
It also gets money from people like me who believe we need to do something about the root problem. That is to get these people who have mental health issues the help they need before they hurt or kill anyone. I will continue to support the NRA who fights for the rights and freedom of hundreds of millions of law abiding citizens.
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Last I checked Florida didn't have many gun laws, if any, thanks to NRA. So to say they are all law abiding citizens after the gun laws have been repealed and weakened and new laws written to favor the NRA and gun manufacturers is very deceptive and misleading.

So how law abiding will you be if say, AR-15's are banned and/or back ground checks made more strict?
 
The amount of money spent on lobbying and campaign donations by the NRA is so small in comparison to, Planned Parenthood or the AFL-CIO union.
 
Couldn’t we increase the age of a person who wishes to possess a semi-automatic to 25? Can’t we increase the scrutiny of those that seek licenses if they have a history of recent violent behavior or mental illness? Can we not give adequate resources to local law enforcement and military so that the current laws could be adequately administered? I can think of at least two cases where more resources could have meant a difference- the recent church shooting in Texas, where the perpetrator should not have access to firearms because of his domestic violence conviction and the lost recent Florida shooting because the perpetrator had made several threats. And finally, why can’t we make the possession of firearms that are not adequately secured by the owner a serious offense when the weapon is stolen and then used on a violent crime?
 
Terryj said:
So we ban assault weapons, is that going to stop someone from committing a criminal act with one? The last time I check it was illegal to bring a weapon onto a school ground. So lets enact another firearm law that will not be enforced. How about we pass a law requiring laws to be enforced.
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Well, if a deranged person doesn't have access to an assault weapon then the chance they will bring one onto a school ground is greatly diminished.

I agree, the gun laws need to be enforced but states like Florida have repealed and weakened most of their gun laws that there's really not much left to enforce.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Which people need to take responsibility? If your father didn't have a son, whose job is it to take away his guns? I didn't say restrict what you think are the rights of law abiding citizens, although that might be a part of the solution. I said we need to explore why this type of violence happens so often in this country. The answer is not always dementia.
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People that go out and kill lots of people have one thing in common. They have a mental disorder. There is clearly something wrong with their thinking if they think killing everyone around them is the right thing to do. Metal problems are the root to all these killings. From the gang banger to the depressed teenager and the mother who drowns their kids in the bath tub because she hears voices. So how do we address mental illness which is the root of the problem with almost every killing from suicide to serial killer. Clearly restricting the rights of law abiding citizens isn't the answer. How about we address the mental health of our society. How about we fund mental health treatment the same as cancer. How about we test and inform society of the warning signs and what to do if we see them. How about we work towards the root of the problem which is the mental state of the people who kill.

I just saw a new doctor a young man who is just doing his residency and is taking over for my doctor for 16 years. He looked at my chart and said why have you not had your lungs checked for cancer. I see in your file you smoked for almost 30 years. I said I don't know lets get it done. Then he shocked the hell out of me. He asked how I was feeling mentally. He asked if I had any depression or anxiety. I looked at him and said you know you are the first doctor that as asked me how I was doing mentally in my entire life.

Maybe this is how you address the problem. Ask people how they are doing and get them help if they need it.
 
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