Special counsel court filing reveals new bank fraud allegations against Manafort

Barnacle said:

Well, you responded to my question about "this bird" with a heartfelt rant about Trump supporters ... but didn't at all address the question I had.

So, what was your point then about your rant?!?

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Maybe he thought that post#6 took care of that...which was

"Surely trumps campaign manager from June to August 2016 would know where a few troll farms are located. "

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:2wave:

Donc said:

Manafort's so screwed!If this bird flips trump will be doing a perp walk from [FONT="]1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#26282A][FONT="]Washington, DC 20500.[/FONT]:2wave:[FONT="]

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#737373][FONT="]By [/FONT]Katelyn Polantz[FONT="], CNN

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#737373][FONT="]Updated 9:13 PM ET, Fri February 16, 2018[/FONT]



<(CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller's office dropped more potentially damning details -- from an allegation of "additional criminal conduct" to personal financial troubles -- in a response to Paul Manafort's request to change his bail proposal on Friday.>

<The newly discovered alleged criminal conduct "includes a series of bank frauds and bank fraud conspiracies," a filing from the special counsel's office said on Friday night.>
<No new charges have been filed in open court against Manafort since he pleaded not guilty to nine counts of money laundering and making false statements about his business on October 30. But CNN has reported that additional indictments against the former Trump campaign chairman are being prepared.>

<Manafort proposed the house in Fairfax as one of four properties that could secure his bail. Another is an apartment he owns in Trump Tower in New York, which is at risk of foreclosure, the prosecutors said.>
<The prosecutors also noted that Manafort has "questioned his ability to maintain the payments on all his mortgages" and that members of his family aren't "willing to assume the risk" of helping him.>
<Manafort earned a judge's approval to be released from house arrest two months ago, if he showed proper documentation and could secure a $10 million bail with assets and properties. He has not been able to clear the judge's hurdles and proposed a different approach to securing his bail Friday afternoon.>

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/manafort-filing-bank-fraud-allegations/index.html

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I've been hearing about how more charges are coming against him. Which explains why his cohort Rick Gates is opening up to Mueller to save his own ass now.

Athanasius68 said:

There is no obligation for Congress to impeach for "high crimes." Moreover no laws necessarily need to be shown to have been broken to impeach. Congress is not a court.
A sitting president probably cannot be indicted--- a conflict of interest. Nor as a practical matter should one be.

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I believe a sitting president can be indicted particularly if there is evidence of him being under the influence of a foreign power.


However I'm sure it would be a very high hurdle, as it should be.

Barnacle said:

And what do you think "this bird" can tell Mueller about Trump?!?

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1. He can detail the agenda of the infamous June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower, including follow-up action items. Most importantly, he can tell us what Trump knew about this meeting and when he knew it.

2. He can tell us why the Republican platform relative to Ukraine was suddenly changed to a more Moscow friendly platform during the Republican convention, after various Trump campaign officials meet with the Russian ambassador

3. He can tell us how much the campaign knew about the Russian interference in the election, including to what extent persons within the Trump campaign organization were "witting" participants.

4. Manafort knows a fair bit about Russian money laundering AND New York real estate. My guess is Mueller has a ton of documents that he would like to sit down and review with Manafort.

Aside from that... maybe not much. Then again, 1-4 are each pretty meaty.

Barnacle said:

Well, you responded to my question about "this bird" with a heartfelt rant about Trump supporters ... but didn't at all address the question I had.

So, what was your point then about your rant?!?

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Pointing out that you, like so many of your ilk on this forum, are a gaggle of ignorant sell outs who've put your ideology before you country. I thought I was pretty clear.

Lerxst said:

Pointing out that you, like so many of your ilk on this forum, are a gaggle of ignorant sell outs who've put your ideology before you country. I thought I was pretty clear.

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Except that is not even remotely true. The ignorant sellouts are the people on the left who have been Putins useful idiots for the last year and a half. When you or anyone else actualy produce evidence against Trump, I will be interested. As of now, the amount of actual evidence that exists that Trump has committed an illegal act is exactly zero.

Fletch said:

Except that is not even remotely true. The ignorant sellouts are the people on the left who have been Putins useful idiots for the last year and a half. When you or anyone else actualy produce evidence against Trump, I will be interested. As of now, the amount of actual evidence that exists that Trump has committed an illegal act is exactly zero.

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You are speaking beyond your expertise here.

You can comment that the "actual evidence that you know of is zero" or the "actual evidence in the public domain appears to be zero".... but, unless you are on the Mueller team or are a nosy member of the custodial staff, you have no idea what Mueller has.... Because you do not know does not mean it does not exist.

Mueller's staff of some of America's foremost experts in identifying and prosecuting fraud and financial crime ain't spending their days playing Tetris.

Lawyers Robert Mueller hired for the Trump-Russia investigation - BI

Trump-Russia probe turns into follow the money - BI

GDViking said:

I believe a sitting president can be indicted particularly if there is evidence of him being under the influence of a foreign power.


However I'm sure it would be a very high hurdle, as it should be.

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That might be bribes and such, which examination is better suited in a court room

upsideguy said:

You are speaking beyond your expertise here.

You can comment that the "actual evidence that you know of is zero" or the "actual evidence in the public domain appears to be zero".... but, unless you are on the Mueller team or are a nosy member of the custodial staff, you have no idea what Mueller has.... Because you do not know does not mean it does not exist.

Mueller's staff of some of America's foremost experts in identifying and prosecuting fraud and financial crime ain't spending their days playing Tetris.

Lawyers Robert Mueller hired for the Trump-Russia investigation - BI

Trump-Russia probe turns into follow the money - BI

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Well, the argument that one 'starts with the small fish, and then goes to the big fish' certainly suggests lack of any evidence.

Parrish said:

Gates was Queen for a Day. Manaforte has a choice to make. As did Papadopoulos, Flynn, Coralla and possibly Bannon.

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Or, maybe he doesn't have anything Mueller is interested in.

upsideguy said:

You are speaking beyond your expertise here.

You can comment that the "actual evidence that you know of is zero" or the "actual evidence in the public domain appears to be zero".... but, unless you are on the Mueller team or are a nosy member of the custodial staff, you have no idea what Mueller has.... Because you do not know does not mean it does not exist.

Mueller's staff of some of America's foremost experts in identifying and prosecuting fraud and financial crime ain't spending their days playing Tetris.

Lawyers Robert Mueller hired for the Trump-Russia investigation - BI

Trump-Russia probe turns into follow the money - BI

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That's irrelevant, if there's no crime.

Fletch said:

Except that is not even remotely true. The ignorant sellouts are the people on the left who have been Putins useful idiots for the last year and a half. When you or anyone else actualy produce evidence against Trump, I will be interested. As of now, the amount of actual evidence that exists that Trump has committed an illegal act is exactly zero.

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I haven't accused Trump of any illegal acts.

Now you go.

Athanasius68 said:

Well, the argument that one 'starts with the small fish, and then goes to the big fish' certainly suggests lack of any evidence.

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You shall see.....

You might like to brush up on investigations and prosecutions of organized crime.

apdst said:

That's irrelevant, if there's no crime.

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Actually, no. If in the very unlikely event that there is no crime, its best to have the world's foremost experts checking out every angle and clearing you. In the far more likely event that there are crimes, the People demand the world's foremost experts putting together a rock solid case. Either way, having the best people on the job is in everyone's best interests.

On the other hand, its my experience that the world's best fisherman do not waste their time fishing in a river where there are no fish to be had. Likewise, it seems the world's best fraud prosecutors are not terribly interested in spending their time working on a case where there is no fraud. You can think about that.

Fletch said:

Except that is not even remotely true. The ignorant sellouts are the people on the left who have been Putins useful idiots for the last year and a half. When you or anyone else actualy produce evidence against Trump, I will be interested. As of now, the amount of actual evidence that exists that Trump has committed an illegal act is exactly zero.

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No, I don't believe you. If evidence starts to surface, you and most Trump supporters (at least the ones constantly defending everything about the man) will be hoping against hope he gets away with it. You don't care if he did collude, commit treason, he's so your wet dream of a candidate. His suvival in office and getting away with any crimes is your sides primary concern. You've lost all cedibility with you daily efforts to discredit the investigation and daily parroting that you "KNOW" nobody has evidence on your guy when you know no such thing and his every action suggests otherwise.

I think most of my fellows to the left and center, thos of us not unde the orange deplorability spell, knows this is way beyond denial, you will refuse to accept any evidence Mueller does find, You guys ae so enamored of Trump, you're incapabe of believing evidence against him. I've no doubt if he is charged, the mental gymnastics of explaining how the Dems framed him will be even more ludicrous.

For anyone to believe you would accept evidence against your guy, given the bat**** defense of him most of you have pesented thus fa? No, not buying it and I doubt many others are either....