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"Russians" recruited 'real Americans' as part of 'information warfare'

Erod said:
George Soros spent $33 million on Ferguson protests, and.......crickets from the left.
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Soros is a U.S. citizen that still has 1st Amendment protections -- at least for now.
 
NoParty said:
So 13 indicted and no evidence they colluded with Trump in their actions. It looks like Trump is in the clear!
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CORRECTION: No evidence RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC of Trump's collusion/conspiracy. We have no idea what Mueller has on Trump that isn't released.

A good prosecutor gets his/her ducks lined up. Trump is the big fish. Get lower level stooges to turn state's evidence and he's got something. I am sure Mueller has Trump's tax records that likely show that his empire is financed by Russia's govt or the Russian mob.

I am sure the Russian oligarch that was indicted doesn't appreciate that he's stuck in Russia now and can't visit the French Riviera, where French authorities will arrest him and extradite him the U.S.
 
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Conservative said:
How do you know that the Russian rhetoric changed the minds and votes of others? That rhetoric didn't change yours apparently so are you so much smarter than the rest of the American Electorate? If you voted for Hillary how is it her rhetoric fooled you? these so called witch hunts are nothing more than radical leftists throwing a temper tantrum over election results showing their true arrogance as to how so many cannot support the radical rhetoric and radical big govt. programs.

Apparently propaganda is only valid when spread by the leftwing as rhetoric seems to always trump substance in the leftwing world. Hillary's so called results and the campaign she ran cost her the election in spite of all the true voter fraud issues perpetuated by the left.
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See the bolded part? What you called "Russian rhetoric" is what the business world calls "advertising"...and the reason why the business world spends billions and billions on advertising year-in and year-out...is because it WORKS.

Also, you're forgetting that whether the "Russian rhetoric" worked or not, they DID try to meddle in our election...and the fact that they at least tried to do so should be - at least for those Americans who remember what patriotism is - all the reason we need to enforce the sanctions against Russia (which Trump still refuses to do) and to harden our election systems against Russian meddling (which Trump and the GOP are still refusing to do). After all, if a guy tries to rob a bank, does it matter if he was successful or not? Are you going to say, "he didn't successfully rob the bank, so we're not going to prosecute him"? The intent and the attempt are all that should be required for you to personally want to raise hell against the Russians...and against anyone who tries to defend their efforts to meddle in our elections.
 
TobyOne said:
It wasn't fake news that Russians had "meddled" or"interfered" or whatever in the election. It was fake news that they "hacked" the election and that Trump or his campaign "colluded" with the Russians. The Russians sought to sow anarchy in the us political system and you and the rest of the liberal apparatus including the media were beclowned lemmings. Congrats.
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Have you noticed that Mueller's team has been very effective at not allowing leaks, at not allowing the rest of us to know what they already know while they're building their case? Two weeks ago, no one thought there would be enough proof to indict 13 Russians. Early last year, no one thought there would be enough to indict Flynn, Papadopolous, Manafort, and Gates for various crimes...or that three of that four would flip and testify for the FBI.

So it's best that you not assume that there is or is not evidence of collusion - we do not know. But what we DO know is that Trump repeatedly tried to stop the Russia investigation, including against his National Security Adviser (and paid Turkish agent) Michael Flynn...and THAT, sir, is called "obstruction of justice".
 
Glen Contrarian said:
See the bolded part? What you called "Russian rhetoric" is what the business world calls "advertising"...and the reason why the business world spends billions and billions on advertising year-in and year-out...is because it WORKS.

Also, you're forgetting that whether the "Russian rhetoric" worked or not, they DID try to meddle in our election...and the fact that they at least tried to do so should be - at least for those Americans who remember what patriotism is - all the reason we need to enforce the sanctions against Russia (which Trump still refuses to do) and to harden our election systems against Russian meddling (which Trump and the GOP are still refusing to do). After all, if a guy tries to rob a bank, does it matter if he was successful or not? Are you going to say, "he didn't successfully rob the bank, so we're not going to prosecute him"? The intent and the attempt are all that should be required for you to personally want to raise hell against the Russians...and against anyone who tries to defend their efforts to meddle in our elections.
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And yet with billions of dollars spent on advertising the choice is still yours whether or not to buy it. You seem to have that liberal arrogance in that you weren't convinced by the Russian supposed rhetoric but believe others were easily influenced. Is that because it is so easy to manipulate the liberal robots into believing all that spending in the name of compassion bull****?

So I guess your solution is to eliminate freedom of speech and all propaganda from the leftwing as well in trying to influence people to vote. I don't give a damn what Russia said nor do I care what Trump says I care what both do and the actions taken. You want to harden the election system then support voter ID laws. what are you afraid of?

And by all means lets not investigate and prevent illegals from voting, the dead from voting, felons from voting because it is more important to control rhetoric.. that is liberal logic
 
WCH said:
Collusion is the keyword here and you know it. I never said Russia and others weren't messing with our elections. They have been doing so long decades.
While we're at it, Christopher Steele needs to be the next foreigner to be indicted.
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Then if you're so even-minded, what, then, should be done about Trump:

1 - repeatedly trying to shut down the investigation into Russia's efforts to meddle with our election;

2 - trying to stop the investigation into his National Security Adviser (and paid Turkish agent) Michael Flynn? That's with the knowledge that when the Russian ambassador was first informed of the sanctions against Russia (by the Obama administration), he was visibly very angry...and after he left, the very first person the Russian ambassador called was not Putin or anyone in the Kremlin, but Michael Flynn;

3 - refusing to enforce the sanctions against Russia for their attempts to meddle in our election;

4 - never once even rebuking the Russians in general or Putin in particular for their meddling in our election; and

5 - publicly and repeatedly taking the word of the ex-KGB colonel in charge of the Kremlin over that of our CIA/FBI/NSA...even when the intelligence agencies are led by his own nominees?
 
Conservative said:
And yet with billions of dollars spent on advertising the choice is still yours whether or not to buy it. You seem to have that liberal arrogance in that you weren't convinced by the Russian supposed rhetoric but believe others were easily influenced. Is that because it is so easy to manipulate the liberal robots into believing all that spending in the name of compassion bull****?

So I guess your solution is to eliminate freedom of speech and all propaganda from the leftwing as well in trying to influence people to vote. I don't give a damn what Russia said nor do I care what Trump says I care what both do and the actions taken. You want to harden the election system then support voter ID laws. what are you afraid of?

And by all means lets not investigate and prevent illegals from voting, the dead from voting, felons from voting because it is more important to control rhetoric.. that is liberal logic
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First bolded statement: those who spend quite a bit of time paying attention to the news and to politics would not be swayed...but those who do NOT pay much attention to the news or to politics could indeed be swayed...and there's many millions of Americans who don't have a clue as to what's on the news other than what they happen to see on Facebook while they're texting with their friends. That, sir, is why advertising works - there's always a targeted audience.

Second bolded statement: Feel free to show evidence that any significant number of illegals or dead people voted. And good luck with that! Sure, you'll find lots of voter registration fraud...but that's almost always because someone was being paid to register voters and decided to make up names or fraudulently use other names...and almost never results in fraudulent votes. That, sir, is why voterregistration fraud is a misdemeanor, while voter fraud is a felony. The Right's "illegals and dead people voting" trope is a red herring of the highest order...because there is simply not evidence of such happening in any significant numbers.

And when it comes to felons, personally I strongly support their right to vote AFTER they have - as the old saying goes - "paid their debt to society". Otherwise, if they are not allowed to vote after they have served their sentences and fulfilled their probation, then they, too, face taxation without representation. We once fought a revolution over that, you know....
 
MTAtech said:
Soros is a U.S. citizen that still has 1st Amendment protections -- at least for now.
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And he finances riots on a routine basis, and he left champions him.
 
WCH said:
So what. Who is this guy.?
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the most famous expert on this subject ...
"Timothy Snyder is a historian at Yale University, specializing in eastern Europe, totalitarianism, and the Holocaust."
 
Erod said:
And he [Soros] finances riots on a routine basis, and he left champions him.
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That's what you end up believing when you get your "news" from conspiracy sites.

Infowars' Alex Jones falsely says George Soros, Hillary Clinton instigated Charlottesville violence
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Litwin said:
the most famous expert on this subject ...
"Timothy Snyder is a historian at Yale University, specializing in eastern Europe, totalitarianism, and the Holocaust."
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IOWs nothing about Trump.
 
tres borrachos said:
And in other words, he didn't say the Russians aren't hacking our elections and there is nothing to fear.

He was right. The election wasn't rigged. Perhaps you don't know what the word means? When Trump was talking about rigged elections, was he talking about Russian interference (which he presumably wouldn't have known about at the time)?
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Spin it anyway you like

YOUR POTUS failed on the Russia and many other fronts.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
First bolded statement: those who spend quite a bit of time paying attention to the news and to politics would not be swayed...but those who do NOT pay much attention to the news or to politics could indeed be swayed...and there's many millions of Americans who don't have a clue as to what's on the news other than what they happen to see on Facebook while they're texting with their friends. That, sir, is why advertising works - there's always a targeted audience.

Second bolded statement: Feel free to show evidence that any significant number of illegals or dead people voted. And good luck with that! Sure, you'll find lots of voter registration fraud...but that's almost always because someone was being paid to register voters and decided to make up names or fraudulently use other names...and almost never results in fraudulent votes. That, sir, is why voterregistration fraud is a misdemeanor, while voter fraud is a felony. The Right's "illegals and dead people voting" trope is a red herring of the highest order...because there is simply not evidence of such happening in any significant numbers.

And when it comes to felons, personally I strongly support their right to vote AFTER they have - as the old saying goes - "paid their debt to society". Otherwise, if they are not allowed to vote after they have served their sentences and fulfilled their probation, then they, too, face taxation without representation. We once fought a revolution over that, you know....
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Whether it is significant or not is unknown because California didn't cooperate with the investigation so you don't know but logic and common sense dictates that regardless of whether or not significant it is illegal so what is your problem with voter ID laws. Investigation after investigation show that illegals have voted, that is actual fraud regardless of the numbers but is being ignored as so called Russia Propaganda is more relevant than actual illegals voting. When you give an illegal a driver's license that establishes residency so how do you know that significant illegals didn't vote?
 
WCH said:
Spin it anyway you like

YOUR POTUS failed on the Russia and many other fronts.
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My POTUS? Which one? I was born while Kennedy was President, and lived through many of them since then.

I didn't know you weren't an American. What country do you live in?
 
Conservative said:
Whether it is significant or not is unknown because California didn't cooperate with the investigation so you don't know but logic and common sense dictates that regardless of whether or not significant it is illegal so what is your problem with voter ID laws. Investigation after investigation show that illegals have voted, that is actual fraud regardless of the numbers but is being ignored as so called Russia Propaganda is more relevant than actual illegals voting. When you give an illegal a driver's license that establishes residency so how do you know that significant illegals didn't vote?
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Why mention only California? Y'all claim it's been happening all over, so if it's been happening like y'all claim, surely there'd be some kind of evidence from somewhere, especially in, say, Texas, a red state with LOTS of Hispanics.

I'm waiting - where's the proof?

*crickets*
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Why mention only California? Y'all claim it's been happening all over, so if it's been happening like y'all claim, surely there'd be some kind of evidence from somewhere, especially in, say, Texas, a red state with LOTS of Hispanics.

I'm waiting - where's the proof?

*crickets*
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Where's the proof? Posted over and over again but always ignored because that is what you want to believe. Study after study prove it but again you really don't care because that just promotes Democrats. Google did Illegals vote in the Presidential election and see how many reports show up.

An example

https://www.heritage.org/election-i...exposes-thousands-illegal-votes-2016-election
 
MTAtech said:
That's what you end up believing when you get your "news" from conspiracy sites.

Infowars' Alex Jones falsely says George Soros, Hillary Clinton instigated Charlottesville violence
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I'm sorry, but anyone who listens to Alex Jones needs his head examined. That is one of the biggest conspiracy theorist liars in the country, and that's saying a lot.

What riots did Soros finance? I wonder if he financed the one we had in NH a few years ago when the Keene State University students went wilding and tore the city to shreds. I heard that the students did that on their own because they were drinking. Maybe Soros was passing out 20 dollar bills, although I never heard that. Maybe I need to listen to Jones. Or chew my left arm off, which would be preferable.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm sorry, but anyone who listens to Alex Jones needs his head examined. That is one of the biggest conspiracy theorist liars in the country, and that's saying a lot.

What riots did Soros finance? I wonder if he financed the one we had in NH a few years ago when the Keene State University students went wilding and tore the city to shreds. I heard that the students did that on their own because they were drinking. Maybe Soros was passing out 20 dollar bills, although I never heard that. Maybe I need to listen to Jones. Or chew my left arm off, which would be preferable.
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is somebody take Alex Jones, serious?

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