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Florida high school shooting: Live updates[W:149]*****

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It seems that both parents were dead
Then the responsibility falls on the person's guardians. Same difference.

If FL seeks additional "responsible" parties then I would start with those at that FL HS who "knew" this guy was dangerous and yet sought no criminal charges.
A high school cannot seek criminal charges on a student who hasn't committed a crime.
 
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Then the responsibility falls on the person's guardians. Same difference.

A high school cannot seek criminal charges on a student who hasn't committed a crime.

Nobody, (including legal guardians) can seek criminal charges without evidence. Many are asserting that evidence (sufficient to remove gun rights for life?) existed yet was not acted on. I am simply asking: Who, by name, had any such evidence?
 
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MTAtech said:
The NRA will tell us that those gun shots are the bells of liberty ringing and Trump will give his "thoughts and prayers" to the victims. Not doing something about this type of violence is getting old.
This post seems funny to me. For example in England, a society with complete gun control, when guns (and bombs) are used to commit violence, the official response from Parliament is to not give in to violence...as the violence intensifies. Theresa May, PM of England said enough is<was> enough. So, which proposals are being used in England to combat future attacks?
The U.S. ranks 94th world-wide in intentional murders. The UK ranks 176.
 
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You know my daughter is a teacher so this hits home...for real!
Just last week my daughter went to the dean to report some threats being made against one of her students.
The dean laughed...she was pissed. The principal sent it back to the dean. The dean told her you can't save them all and be prepared this was going to be a bloody summer...That **** pisssed me off so much I wanted to fly there and kick the everyone's ass instead I called a detective I know (I'm in a different state). That detective contacted someone he knew on the force near the school.
They both went up to the school and had a little meeting with the kid making the threats. They also had a meeting with the administration in regards to there protocol.
My daughter probably won't be invited back next year....I don't give 2 ****s!
 
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Nobody, (including legal guardians) can seek criminal charges without evidence. Many are asserting that evidence (sufficient to remove gun rights for life?) existed yet was not acted on. I am simply asking: Who, by name, had any such evidence?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but you'd have to ask them. I haven't said hardly anything about this particular shooter.
 
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Oh my God, they're starting to post pictures of the dead kids and teachers. There are a lot of names here but so far only 7 pictures. Look at them. Those girls, absolutely beautiful. The teacher killed because he opened his door to save kids in a panic, and that piece of filth shot him in the back.

The victims of the Douglas High mass shooting

I've had enough of these school shootings. I'm sorry, but failure to do something about this is not acceptable.
 
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Oh my God, they're starting to post pictures of the dead kids and teachers. There are a lot of names here but so far only 7 pictures. Look at them. Those girls, absolutely beautiful. The teacher killed because he opened his door to save kids in a panic, and that piece of filth shot him in the back.

The victims of the Douglas High mass shooting

I've had enough of these school shootings. I'm sorry, but failure to do something about this is not acceptable.

Our failure is criminal
 
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Israel has armed schools.

It doesn't have school shootings.

There's a little more to it than a couple of simpelton statements.

Israel's policy on issuing guns is restrictive, and armed guards at its schools are meant to stop terrorists, not crazed or disgruntled gunmen, experts said Monday, rejecting claims by America's top gun lobby that Israel serves as proof for its philosophy that the U.S. needs more weapons, not fewer.

Far from the image of a heavily armed population where ordinary people have their own arsenals to repel attackers, Israel allows its people to acquire firearms only if they can prove their professions or places of residence put them in danger. The country relies on its security services, not armed citizens, to prevent terror
[...]
"Israel had a whole lot of school shootings until they did one thing: They said, `We're going to stop it,' and they put armed security in every school and they have not had a problem since then," LaPierre said on the NBC News show "Meet the Press."

Israel never had "a whole lot of school shootings." Authorities could only recall two in the past four decades.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-rejects-nras-guns-in-schools-claim/
 
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When has there ever been any serious, credible threat to gun ownership in this country? NEVER. People and senators can say whatever they want, but we have a constitution. Maybe you should trust that constitution. And maybe I should have said, no one can take your guns.

So that's a no then? You won't retract your false absolute claim? Now you're moving the goalpost to a credible threat? Not desire, but capability?

I don't deal with goalpost moving. :2wave:

Our failure is criminal

Unconstitutionality is criminal.
 
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Oh my God, they're starting to post pictures of the dead kids and teachers. There are a lot of names here but so far only 7 pictures. Look at them. Those girls, absolutely beautiful. The teacher killed because he opened his door to save kids in a panic, and that piece of filth shot him in the back.

The victims of the Douglas High mass shooting

I've had enough of these school shootings. I'm sorry, but failure to do something about this is not acceptable.
Yeah, seeing pictures of people so young, snuffed out by a nut with a gun, certainly hits home. Well, at least it should, unless you're someone who prefers saving guns over human beings.
 
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Yeah, seeing pictures of people so young, snuffed out by a nut with a gun, certainly hits home. Well, at least it should, unless you're someone who prefers saving guns over human beings.

It sure as hell hit home with me. Look, I was sad for the people in Las Vegas, but the pictures of kids kills me. I'd managed to put the images of all those little caskets after Sandy Hook out of my mind. I have kids the same age as some of these students killed yesterday. It makes me livid, sad, enraged, and scared, all at the same time. Their parents sent their kids off to school yesterday no differently than I did. Mine came back. Theirs didn't.
 
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I live in Chicago and am liberal myself. No one wants your guns. I grew up using guns as well as bows. Please show me these "countless liberal forums". I can't seem to find them. And why in the hell would I belong to something called "Democratic Underground"? Would you being to Stormfront? I'm guessing no.

I do however, believe in proper training and regulation. If you can buy a gun, then you damn well better be trained how to use it.

I dont understand how 'training' factors into preventing gun violence? Or how it factors into conversations on school shootings?

Unless you are discussing the voluntary concealed carry of school teachers and staff?
 

Exactly. And just like this one I posted yesterday, when it occurred (before this shooting):

Today here in WA St., a grandmother turned in her 18 yr old grandson after she read his journal with his plans to shoot up 2 high schools. And since he wasnt sure which one, he tossed a coin.

Not alot of details yet but they took him into custody and he had more than guns, some kind of grenade is one thing the media mentioned.

He also had loads of notes on other shooters and school shootings. Seems to support the idea that they feed off each other, try to outdo each other, are looking for 'glory,' etc.

God bless that grandmother for doing the right thing.

And my thoughts and prayers go out to the families in FL.

I also posted quotes from his journal in post 272. Standard (dangerous) loser stuff.
 
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Left: "we don't want to take away your guns we just want (fill in the blank) banned." Right says no. Left claims they are evil monsters.

Right: "we don't want to take away your right to abortion we just want (fill in the blank) banned." Left says no. Right claims they are evil monsters.

my point: I don't know. maybe just that human nature is an odd thing.
 
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True, they have been saying that for a number of years. Thing is people often look to those that are from outside their experience - different- or a minority to blame.
I guess it makes them feel safer, in the end they demonstrate their stupidity- bias- hate and a few other choice words.

Yes, that's exactly what I was dealing with here earlier.

Ignoring facts doesnt help find a solution.
 
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When has there ever been any serious, credible threat to gun ownership in this country? NEVER. People and senators can say whatever they want, but we have a constitution. Maybe you should trust that constitution. And maybe I should have said, no one can take your guns.

It's not a matter of just owning 'a gun.' It's a matter of being able to own and carry the appropriate firearm(s) to protect yourself and your family, how, when, and where you need them. And the govt most certainly is not in the position to know my needs.

Some states barely allow concealed carry at all. At least one other makes you carry gun and ammo SEPARATELY :doh Others limit you to 10 rounds...which arent going to be enough when 3 guys invade your home and a single round only stops attackers in the movies and everyone's moving. If 10 rounds were enough...why do cops carry guns with a minimum of generally 17+1?
 
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L.A. Times:

The knee-jerk reaction is to go after firearms, but there's a bait-and-switch element to gun-control arguments in these situations. Activists focus on small restrictions that are palatable to many. If anyone points out that small restrictions won't do much to stop shootings, the activists argue that larger restrictions, unpalatable to many, would do the trick.

Gun owners are used to hearing, almost in the same breath, "we'll stop shootings by banning all guns" and "nobody's trying to take your guns away."

Every solution to mass shootings inevitably involves a serious trade-off
 
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Someone was lying on here claiming he was an Antifa member. Now it comes out he was a white supremacist, white militia member.

The claim was also that he wasnt 'white.' :doh
 
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That can get tricky- I heard on CNN yesterday the Police did get a search warrant to ensure that any evidence they found was legal, no grounds for illegal search and such. They did have permission to search from the homeowners, but as he was staying there after his mother passed, the Police thought they could run into legal issues. So they waited for the warrant.

Other issue and I am not sure on this- family member, out of school, works & pays rent, Parent(s) give permission to search, do Police need a warrant to search? I would guess yes.

Do you want to stop these shooters? Or arrest them? Let's stop them first. That threat alone, now that they are exposed? May stop them, may enable watching them, who knows? The more we call out these losers as the losers they are, I think the less they'll act. From what so many write and say...they want to make their mark compared with other shooters. Hey...once investigated, just post the info found on social media...because they (almost) ALL come across as losers once exposed.

There's no reason that legislators cant hammer out some guidelines for these things. They have done so for child abuse and domestic violence.
 
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The claim was also that he wasnt 'white.' :doh

Some members here are still saying that. If you're Hispanic (which we don't even know if this kid was or not, considering he was adopted, and his adopted father's name was Roger Cruz, who could have been 15/16th Irish), you're not white, don't you know.

Ted Cruz isn't white. Neither is Marco Rubio. And at least we know for a fact they're Hispanic, because they aren't adopted.
 
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He's not left, right or center. He's just a hater, a coward, and a murderer. Tried to hide in with the students, and then begged to go to the hospital.

No kidding? How was he exposed? I didnt hear/read that.
 
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Nobody, (including legal guardians) can seek criminal charges without evidence. Many are asserting that evidence (sufficient to remove gun rights for life?) existed yet was not acted on. I am simply asking: Who, by name, had any such evidence?

The FBI. They had at least enough to act on.
 
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I dont understand how 'training' factors into preventing gun violence? Or how it factors into conversations on school shootings?

Unless you are discussing the voluntary concealed carry of school teachers and staff?

Training is simply code for getting prior government (may issue?) permission after taking a class (or two or three), supplying a "valid" reason and paying a "user fee". It is a means to convert an individual constitutional right into a mere state issued privilege.
 
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Some members here are still saying that. If you're Hispanic (which we don't even know if this kid was or not, considering he was adopted, and his adopted father's name was Roger Cruz, who could have been 15/16th Irish), you're not white, don't you know.

Ted Cruz isn't white. Neither is Marco Rubio. And at least we know for a fact they're Hispanic, because they aren't adopted.

I know, right?

Hispanic = Latino...and where is the ancient territory of Latinum? Italy. Europe. They arrived in the New World and settled in S. and Central America...but their genes didnt change. Mix with other races? Sure but Latinos are Caucasians. So are Arabs and Middle Easterners.

I know that racists have a hard time if a person's skin isnt lily white but that sure aint all that it's cracked up to be. Sunburn sucks!
 
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