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Schiff: We're not going to revise Democratic memo [W:344]

bubbabgone said:
Absolutely right. Release the FISA applications ... all 4. They can redact what they absolutely need to as long as it doesn't turn the pages black.
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Agreed. I am sick and tired of all the partisan political propaganda games being played here.
 
humbolt said:
It looks for all the world to me that if revealing sources and methods isn't a problem, all the FISA warrant applications themselves should be released.
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Exactly, agreed.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Ohr was married to someone working in the same company that was subcontracting Steele, he shouldn't have come anywhere near that document, the conflict of interest is a given. Hiding information about it to the FISA warrant is a serious breach in omission of fact.
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He appears to be the type that either doesn't know enough or hopes you don't.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Suppose there is nothing "harmful to this country" in there, but Trump keeps saying he won't declassify it because there is "information that might be harmful to this country" in it? The entire committee, D and R, voted to release it. Trump said no. Seems to me Trump is likely not acting in good faith here. Trump not acting in good faith is admittedly difficult to imagine.:lol:
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Any politician acting in good faith is what is hard to imagine. This whole thing has turned into a political propaganda show. I don't trust Trump and I don't trust any of the others. I do agree since the whole committee voted to release the memo, release the dang thing.
 
Fusion GPS itself has debunked these GOP talking-points.

Anyone still carrying water for the traitorous Republicans is a partisan who is either too frightened or too incapable of examining things objectively.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...for-trump-revelations/?utm_term=.073e9e7fea95


"Fusion GPS, the research firm responsible for the “Steele dossier,” defended itself late Tuesday against what it called “mendacious conspiracy theories” spun by Republicans and President Trump, saying its critics were simply “chasing rabbits” to punish it for exposing Trump’s links to Russia."

"They accused congressional Republicans of “selectively” leaking to far-right media outlets details of the firm’s testimony to congressional committees and called for full release of the testimony transcripts “so that the American people can learn the truth about our work and most, important, what happened to our democracy.”"

"In their commentary, Simpson and Fritsch said they did not believe the dossier “was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.”"

You guys are done. Whether or not you face reality, your current position is baseless.

"Yes, we hired Mr. Steele, a highly respected Russia expert,” the Fusion executives wrote. “But we did so without informing him whom we were working for and gave him no specific marching orders beyond this basic question: Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most investors shun?"

"What came back shocked us,” they wrote. “Mr. Steele’s sources in Russia (who were not paid) reported on an extensive — and now confirmed — effort by the Kremlin to help elect Mr. Trump president. Mr. Steele saw this as a crime in progress and decided he needed to report it to the F.B.I.”

After the election, they wrote, “Mr. Steele decided to share his intelligence with Senator John McCain via an emissary. We helped him do that. The goal was to alert the United States national security community to an attack on our country by a hostile foreign power.”

Trump is a traitor and an idiot. He is an embarrassment. He needs to be impeached and prosecuted.
 
Fenton said:
Adam Schiff is such a low life and the truth is if the Democrats had a real rebutrealfor Nunes's memo they would have released it and or leaked it with or without Trumps approval

They cant rebut or debunk Nunes's memo and they know it
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If the Democrat's memo couldn't refute the Republican memo, then Trump would have released it. The fact is that the Republican memo on it's own proves nothing and the Democratic memo shows what a shill memo the Republican memo is.

As for your attack on Schiff's character, what you don't like is that he has a case and we all know you can't substantiate that stupid "low life" insult. Nunes, on the other hand, acts like he's working for Trump's defense team, instead of the Congress, who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference. If Trump suddenly stopped walking, Nunes' head would go straight up Trump's ass.
 
Fenton said:
Bruce Ohr didn't work on Muellers team, try again
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My apologies, I was speaking about Stzrok.

Ohr is a non-starter. He's been hashed over in the articles I provided. There is nothing of value there.
 
tres borrachos said:
Why should they change it?
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Because Rosenstein and Wray (people who would have reason to know) have determined this memo's publication without adequate redaction endangers national security (among other things).
 
Good for Schiff and the Dems on the Committee. Trump, Nunes, and Grassley started this **** show, now they need to pay for it.

Of course, simpletons have to throw in their expected loads of bull****, it's all they've got usually. They only want the truth as it is dictated by Dear Leader Don Trump Un.

Sell outs.
 
MTAtech said:
If the Democrat's memo couldn't refute the Republican memo, then Trump would have released it. The fact is that the Republican memo on it's own proves nothing and the Democratic memo shows what a shill memo the Republican memo is.

As for your attack on Schiff's character, what you don't like is that he has a case and we all know you can't substantiate that stupid "low life" insult. Nunes, on the other hand, acts like he's working for Trump's defense team, instead of the Congress, who is supposed to be investigating Russian interference. If Trump suddenly stopped walking, Nunes' head would go straight up Trump's ass.
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No, it proves that the Democrat's memo includes classified information -- something it's author doesn't even deny. They wanted it to be rejected or redacted. The committee memo, written by the chair of the committee, purposely ommitted classified information so that this wouldn't be an issue. Why can't democrats do us (the American public) that same courtesy?

Note that Congress is supposed to provide oversight of the FISA court as well. If the FBI/Justice are abusing that process (which is clearly happening if the memo is even partially true) then there's a problem. I realize lefties keep wanting to push everything back to 'Russia', but there are other issues.
 
BreadConqueror said:
Fusion GPS itself has debunked these GOP talking-points.

Anyone still carrying water for the traitorous Republicans is a partisan who is either too frightened or too incapable of examining things objectively.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...for-trump-revelations/?utm_term=.073e9e7fea95


"Fusion GPS, the research firm responsible for the “Steele dossier,” defended itself late Tuesday against what it called “mendacious conspiracy theories” spun by Republicans and President Trump, saying its critics were simply “chasing rabbits” to punish it for exposing Trump’s links to Russia."

"They accused congressional Republicans of “selectively” leaking to far-right media outlets details of the firm’s testimony to congressional committees and called for full release of the testimony transcripts “so that the American people can learn the truth about our work and most, important, what happened to our democracy.”"

"In their commentary, Simpson and Fritsch said they did not believe the dossier “was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.”"

You guys are done. Whether or not you face reality, your current position is baseless.

"Yes, we hired Mr. Steele, a highly respected Russia expert,” the Fusion executives wrote. “But we did so without informing him whom we were working for and gave him no specific marching orders beyond this basic question: Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most investors shun?"

"What came back shocked us,” they wrote. “Mr. Steele’s sources in Russia (who were not paid) reported on an extensive — and now confirmed — effort by the Kremlin to help elect Mr. Trump president. Mr. Steele saw this as a crime in progress and decided he needed to report it to the F.B.I.”

After the election, they wrote, “Mr. Steele decided to share his intelligence with Senator John McCain via an emissary. We helped him do that. The goal was to alert the United States national security community to an attack on our country by a hostile foreign power.”

Trump is a traitor and an idiot. He is an embarrassment. He needs to be impeached and prosecuted.
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Of course he's saying Trump is guilty, its the only way to salvage himself and his company.
 
BreadConqueror said:
My apologies, I was speaking about Stzrok.

Ohr is a non-starter. He's been hashed over in the articles I provided. There is nothing of value there.
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Lol !! So we're not allowed to bring Ohr up because it completely blows your narrative out of the water ?

Thats not how this works. You can either acknowledge Ohr's highly relevant role in this growing scandal or just admit you care more about your partisan Trump obsession than you do about the truth

Im going to continue to focus on the truth w

Bruce Ohr was Obama's deputy assistant AG and 4rth in line to the AG.

After the FBI released Steele, Ohr continued to transmit Hillary funded oppo-research from his wife who worked for Fusion GPS to the FBI, where it was used to obtain FISA warrants to spy on the opposition candidate prior to and after a Presidential election

He was removed from both of his senior DOJ positions for a damn good reason and it wasnt because he was a Hillary supporter
 
bubbabgone said:
Oh. It's a nuance. I see. A change doesn't result in a revision.
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Again, I point you to what Schiff said:

"We're not going to make any revisions to it. The only question is what redactions will be made. And obviously we'd like to keep those to a minimum"

This isn't hard to understand. He is not going to revise his memo, just remove the parts the FBI has concerns about. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to get at, but it appears as if you're trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

You're a hoot.
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You are the one who posted exactly what Schiff said, the context in which he said it and are now trying to pretend he didn't say what you quoted.

I guess that makes us a pair of hooters.
 
Well then fine...**** it....it can stay buried.
 
I think the Schiff memo would have to substantiate it's claim that the Nunes memo is inaccurate with actual relevant facts. Where Nunes claims the dossier was the essential evidence submitted to secure that FISA warrant against Page, Schiff would have to plainly state what other evidence was submitted; where Nunes claims renewals of the Page surveillance warrant were improperly premised on mere repetition of the dossier with no additional evidence, Schiff would have to show what additional evidence was submitted at each renewal; where Nunes claims the FBI was not explicit in describing the dossier's provenance and funding as political "opposition research", Schiff would need to show the FBI did adequately detail it's provenance; where Nunes claims the FBI told the court the dossier was corroborated by the Yahoo news article which was composed with Steele's leaks, Schiff would have to provide evidence the FBI corroborated the dossier with other intelligence; where Nunes claims the court was not informed Steele was passionately determined to prevent Trump's election, Schiff would have to show the FBI was candid about Steele's views...

If Schiff wanted to disprove Nunes' claims, he would need to disclose transcripts of the FISA court proceedings for the initial Page surveillance warrant and it's subsequent renewals, only this way would we be able to see that evidence other than the dossier was submitted, that the court was adequately informed of the nature and provenance of the dossier and it's author's views, and how the FBI has corroborated the dossier's contents. Maybe Schiff's memo does all this, if so, I'd expect it to be full of factual assertions describing by name the sources and methods by which the dossier has been corroborated. If this information is in Schiff's memo, the FBI gains nothing by trying to keep it secret since the target of their 'investigation' (Trump) has already seen the unredacted version of this memo.

The FBI didn't want the Nunes memo released either, but since it was we can see there really isn't anything in it that was not public knowledge, we already knew Hillary paid for the dossier, that the FBI has not been able to corroborate Steele's allegations, that he has a strong anti-Trump animus. Releasing the Nunes memo did not endanger national security and reveals nothing of the intelligence community's sources or methods, it does reflect poorly on the FBI though. The Schiff memo probably makes the FBI look great, so it must be concern over the description of sources and methonds that animates Rosenstein and Wray's objections.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Well then fine...**** it....it can stay buried.
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Only because the liar in chief trump doesn’t want to release anything that proves he is a liar and that his trumpbot supporters are idiots.
 
BreadConqueror said:
Fusion GPS itself has debunked these GOP talking-points.

Anyone still carrying water for the traitorous Republicans is a partisan who is either too frightened or too incapable of examining things objectively.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...for-trump-revelations/?utm_term=.073e9e7fea95


"Fusion GPS, the research firm responsible for the “Steele dossier,” defended itself late Tuesday against what it called “mendacious conspiracy theories” spun by Republicans and President Trump, saying its critics were simply “chasing rabbits” to punish it for exposing Trump’s links to Russia."

"They accused congressional Republicans of “selectively” leaking to far-right media outlets details of the firm’s testimony to congressional committees and called for full release of the testimony transcripts “so that the American people can learn the truth about our work and most, important, what happened to our democracy.”"

"In their commentary, Simpson and Fritsch said they did not believe the dossier “was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.”"

You guys are done. Whether or not you face reality, your current position is baseless.

"Yes, we hired Mr. Steele, a highly respected Russia expert,” the Fusion executives wrote. “But we did so without informing him whom we were working for and gave him no specific marching orders beyond this basic question: Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most investors shun?"

"What came back shocked us,” they wrote. “Mr. Steele’s sources in Russia (who were not paid) reported on an extensive — and now confirmed — effort by the Kremlin to help elect Mr. Trump president. Mr. Steele saw this as a crime in progress and decided he needed to report it to the F.B.I.”

After the election, they wrote, “Mr. Steele decided to share his intelligence with Senator John McCain via an emissary. We helped him do that. The goal was to alert the United States national security community to an attack on our country by a hostile foreign power.”

Trump is a traitor and an idiot. He is an embarrassment. He needs to be impeached and prosecuted.
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McCabe testified under oath that without the dossier they wouldn't have obtained the FISA warrant.

YOU have no idea what you're talk about
 
Fenton said:
McCabe testified under oath that without the dossier they wouldn't have obtained the FISA warrant.

YOU have no idea what you're talk about
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You're lying again.

You really should stop.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sourc...d-steele-dossier-for-carter-page-fisa-warrant

This is from a right wing outlet too.

"The memo, released on Friday against FBI objections and with Trump’s approval, makes a particular claim against McCabe. In its attempt to claim that ex-British spy Christopher Steele’s salacious dossier played a central role in the surveillance of Trump aides—a claim the memo’s own admissions undermine—the memo claims that McCabe told the House intelligence committee that Steele was a pillar of information for a surveillance warrant application.

“Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information,” the memo claims, referring to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Asked if that was a true representation, a source familiar with McCabe’s testimony responded: “100% not.” "

You are disingenuous and you are dishonest.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Again, I point you to what Schiff said:

"We're not going to make any revisions to it. The only question is what redactions will be made. And obviously we'd like to keep those to a minimum"

This isn't hard to understand. He is not going to revise his memo, just remove the parts the FBI has concerns about. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to get at, but it appears as if you're trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

You are the one who posted exactly what Schiff said, the context in which he said it and are now trying to pretend he didn't say what you quoted.

I guess that makes us a pair of hooters.
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No distractions. please.

Anyway ... back to the subject.
What Schiff said was a self-contradiction.
He has to change his memo if he wants to get it out, but he won't say the change is a revision because he doesn't want to sound like he's folding to Trump.
So he tried to propose a distinction without a difference to save face, such as it is, and hope somebody, somewhere, anyone, will buy into it.
When you think about it ... even under your theory ... if he does redactions as he says he might, it could very well be that he might have to make additional changes in order to make whatever points he wanted to make.
Would they be revisions?

The context to his conundrum is there and it doesn't deliver the nuance to save him you want to believe.
 
bubbabgone said:
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said Tuesday night that members of his party won't revise their countermemo, despite requests from the White House to do so.

"We're not going to make any revisions to it. The only question is what redactions will be made. And obviously we'd like to keep those to a minimum," Schiff told reporters.

"The White House has a different interest. I think their interest is in redacting anything that doesn't reflect well on the White House," Schiff added.​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/schiff-were-not-going-to-revise-democratic-memo/ar-BBJ6fq4

Sometimes we get lucky when slimy weasels in the public eye actually look like slimy weasels. This guy is one of them.
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Good, release it as is. Let yhe chips fall where they may

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MSgt said:
Damn this is all so pathetic.

- Republicans release their opinion.
- Democrats have a memo to rebut with their own opinion.
- Republicans have a rebuttal memo to the Democrats rebuttal.

Hey, I hear Bernie Sanders, as an Independent, has a sticky note!

None of their crap matters. Just let the investigation do its job and shut the hell up. And, um, thanks for being such great leaders.
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Ok, had to laugh at that one....Bernie with a sticky....lol...good one

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