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Sen. Mark Warner texted with Russian oligarch lobbyist in effort to contact dossier author

Sen. Mark Warner Colluded With Russians to Subvert American Election!

Warner was working with foreign agents to affect the election.


COLLUSION!!! COLLUSION!!! COLLUSION!!!
 
bubbabgone said:
What passes for evidence that he didn't is a helluva lot better than speculation from BUZZFEED that he did.
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My position is I do not know whether he went to Prague or not. What I know is photos from his passport do not constitute proof.

I'm waiting to see what comes of the IG report, Mueller's report, and the FISA applications (if they get released) so until then it's worth noting that we're far from proof of anything you're counting on.
I'll accept whatever they show.
But ...
Seeing what's been getting revealed almost daily, haven't you been getting apprehensive that you've been suckered and you're nervous that it's going to be tough for you to escape with dignity?
Seems like all the sleaze so far has been localized on your side and you haven't accepted it.
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I don't see why my dignity is at risk. I have said many times I have no idea what people around Trump or Trump himself did with regard to "collusion" with Russia. I'm agnostic, take no position.

What would worry me if I was a Trump supporter is Mueller has a bunch of very accomplished men and women on his team who aren't there to waste their time and risk their reputations on a hatchet job on Trump. So MY GUESS is they're investigating real issues, actual wrongdoing of some kind by some people who might or might not be in Trump's inner circle. Maybe all their time is on Russians or their minions and surrogates, and no Americans are involved. What I'd hate to rely on is they'll get to the end and come up empty. Lots of those people on Mueller's team could be making 7 figures back in their private practice, so something SIGNIFICANT is keeping them doing the work they're doing, and I've noticed no reports any of the big guns leaving the Mueller team. :doh

Could be wrong! But I've never started counting the days until impeachment.... And I suspect if Trump is in actual trouble, it's because he's a crook, which we know already, not someone who "colluded" with Russia. His team? Manafort? Mercer? Cambridge Analytica? Who knows?
 
JasperL said:
My position is I do not know whether he went to Prague or not. What I know is photos from his passport do not constitute proof.



I don't see why my dignity is at risk. I have said many times I have no idea what people around Trump or Trump himself did with regard to "collusion" with Russia. I'm agnostic, take no position.

What would worry me if I was a Trump supporter is Mueller has a bunch of very accomplished men and women on his team who aren't there to waste their time and risk their reputations on a hatchet job on Trump. So MY GUESS is they're investigating real issues, actual wrongdoing of some kind by some people who might or might not be in Trump's inner circle. Maybe all their time is on Russians or their minions and surrogates, and no Americans are involved. What I'd hate to rely on is they'll get to the end and come up empty. Lots of those people on Mueller's team could be making 7 figures back in their private practice, so something SIGNIFICANT is keeping them doing the work they're doing, and I've noticed no reports any of the big guns leaving the Mueller team. :doh

Could be wrong! But I've never started counting the days until impeachment.... And I suspect if Trump is in actual trouble, it's because he's a crook, which we know already, not someone who "colluded" with Russia. His team? Manafort? Mercer? Cambridge Analytica? Who knows?
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Those very accomplished FBI employees are dropping at a rate that make you question what they're very accomplished at ... including those at senior level and Mueller's own team, one of whom had already confided that he didn't think would be any there there.
Sounds like you think anyone in a senior position in such organizations would never be swayed by politics.
I say too many get appointed to those positions because they are ... and you can tell which ones by what they say and do.
 
bubbabgone said:
Those very accomplished FBI employees are dropping at a rate that make you question what they're very accomplished at ... including those at senior level and Mueller's own team, one of whom had already confided that he didn't think would be any there there.
Sounds like you think anyone in a senior position in such organizations would never be swayed by politics.
I say too many get appointed to those positions because they are ... and you can tell which ones by what they say and do.
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You bet. And in this instance, we could start with Sally Yates. What a self-righteous moral preener she was.
 
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