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Democrats try to stop Nevada recall and save their state Senate majority

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New GOP tactic to subvert our representative democracy... recall politicians who've done nothing other than belonging to the opposite party.

Democrats try to stop Nevada recall and save their state Senate majority

Democrats are going to court in Nevada on Wednesday to try to stop a recall election that they fear could lead to new efforts to wipe out legislative majorities across the country. Republicans in Nevada are seeking to recall two senators who were elected in 2016 -- without alleging any wrongdoing on the part of the senators.

Why oust Sens. Joyce Woodhouse and Nicole Cannizzaro? Because both are Democrats, and if the GOP can flip two seats, it will take control of the state Senate. If the recall effort succeeds, it could provide a model to flip legislatures across the nation in the 20 states that allow the process, putting all narrowly divided legislative bodies in those states at risk.​
 
poweRob said:
New GOP tactic to subvert our representative democracy... recall politicians who've done nothing other than belonging to the opposite party.

Democrats try to stop Nevada recall and save their state Senate majority

Democrats are going to court in Nevada on Wednesday to try to stop a recall election that they fear could lead to new efforts to wipe out legislative majorities across the country. Republicans in Nevada are seeking to recall two senators who were elected in 2016 -- without alleging any wrongdoing on the part of the senators.

Why oust Sens. Joyce Woodhouse and Nicole Cannizzaro? Because both are Democrats, and if the GOP can flip two seats, it will take control of the state Senate. If the recall effort succeeds, it could provide a model to flip legislatures across the nation in the 20 states that allow the process, putting all narrowly divided legislative bodies in those states at risk.​
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I expect such lies from CNN. Fortunately for the people of Nevada we have local papers still pursuing the truth...

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...nevada-recall-efforts-will-be-heard-in-court/
Recall backers, however, say that counting forms submitted after the initial petition is filed violates the Nevada constitution.
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We are making for a very big mess.
 
looks like the GOP in Nevada isn't happy with 'election results' so, now they want to create chaos; no surprise to me to see this type of tactic coming from the GOP

I mean after all, what do we expect from the Civil War Party?
 
reinoe said:
I expect such lies from CNN. Fortunately for the people of Nevada we have local papers still pursuing the truth...

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...nevada-recall-efforts-will-be-heard-in-court/
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Democratic CD-3 candidate Susie Lee was endorsed by the Nevada Building and Construction Trades Council.

Republican Attorney General candidate Wes Duncan received endorsements from the Teamsters Local 14 and Laborers Local 872.
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That endorsement should worry the democrats. Labor backing Republicans?

I don't know exactly what the reason is, but I suspect business has ramped up in the hospitality and gaming business as the tax cuts start to produce results, and the platforms they ran on were MSM designed, and the voters realize they have been had. The economy is what living a life in Nevada is all about.
 
I don't really have enough information to form an opinion about these specific politicians, but I don't really like recall efforts in general. I find that they offer people too quick an opportunity to change their minds on votes and force republics to become more like democracies, which I am not really for. The best remedy for a politician you don't like is voting them out of office in the next election. Recalls can destabilize the government and lead to more money being involved in politics, another thing I am against. If the politicians were corrupt or otherwise awful, they could likely be kicked out of the legislature by their colleagues.

So I think this recall effort is likely not a good thing, but that's more of a general opinion than a specific one for this situation.
 
You mean one party is subverting democracy, by using democracy?

I mean if Nevada law allows clean recalls without wrongdoing then Nevada law allows it.

I mean the teachers unions tried to recall governor Walker in WI
 
RationalPolicy said:
I don't really have enough information to form an opinion about these specific politicians, but I don't really like recall efforts in general. I find that they offer people too quick an opportunity to change their minds on votes and force republics to become more like democracies, which I am not really for. The best remedy for a politician you don't like is voting them out of office in the next election. Recalls can destabilize the government and lead to more money being involved in politics, another thing I am against. If the politicians were corrupt or otherwise awful, they could likely be kicked out of the legislature by their colleagues.

So I think this recall effort is likely not a good thing, but that's more of a general opinion than a specific one for this situation.
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I think we should stick to elections as much as possible but there should be a recall opportunity for egregious scenarios. We had a lady here who was the Secretary of State. She was taking public money to the casinos. Got busted but you can't just fire and elected official. And the election was years away. She ended up getting pressured out and resigned but she used the inability to be fired as a chip to stay out of prison if she resigned. She did do time but... 30 days only. People were pretty miffed she was able to leverage her position to avoid a proper sentencing.

 
reinoe said:
I expect such lies from CNN. Fortunately for the people of Nevada we have local papers still pursuing the truth...

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...nevada-recall-efforts-will-be-heard-in-court/
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There is NO claim of any violation of the constitution. So either you don't know how to read or you are intentionally lying. From your very own link that you clipped out...

In both recalls, the petition groups narrowly eclipsed the needed signature thresholds to push the efforts to special elections. Nevada law, however, allows the opposing side two weeks to challenge the effort and gather signatures from people who want their names stricken from the original recall petitions.

Democrats submitted more than 2,000 such petitions in each effort. If counted, both recalls would likely miss the signature threshold.

Recall backers, however, say that counting forms submitted after the initial petition is filed violates the Nevada constitution.​

Repubs are trying to get the dem 2,000 signatures stricken and not counted. There is no violation that has happened by either of these legislators.
 
poweRob said:
I think we should stick to elections as much as possible but there should be a recall opportunity for egregious scenarios. We had a lady here who was the Secretary of State. She was taking public money to the casinos. Got busted but you can't just fire and elected official. And the election was years away. She ended up getting pressured out and resigned but she used the inability to be fired as a chip to stay out of prison if she resigned. She did do time but... 30 days only. People were pretty miffed she was able to leverage her position to avoid a proper sentencing.

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That sounds to me like a failure of the law. If she was involved in criminal activity, which she clearly was, her elected post should not immunize her from the consequences of her actions. If there is a law in NM making it so that elected officials are not indictable or cannot serve prison time due to their elected status, that's a terrible loophole. Any elected official that is convicted of a crime should be forced out of office by law. I'd strongly prefer that to recalls, given the arguments I made against recalls in my prior post. But I definitely see your point given the situation you mentioned.
 
RationalPolicy said:
That sounds to me like a failure of the law. If she was involved in criminal activity, which she clearly was, her elected post should not immunize her from the consequences of her actions. If there is a law in NM making it so that elected officials are not indictable or cannot serve prison time due to their elected status, that's a terrible loophole. Any elected official that is convicted of a crime should be forced out of office by law. I'd strongly prefer that to recalls, given the arguments I made against recalls in my prior post. But I definitely see your point given the situation you mentioned.
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If you go the other way with it though and start tossing people from elected positions due to arrests, you could have a banana republic where a hair-brained cop and judge can just start throwing people's elected choices out of office for personal vendettas. Either extreme can end up being bad.
 
poweRob said:
If you go the other way with it though and start tossing people from elected positions due to arrests, you could have a banana republic where a hair-brained cop and judge can just start throwing people's elected choices out of office for personal vendettas. Either extreme can end up being bad.
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I think that's why you need to only do that with legitimate convictions. Arrests or indictments can be easily drummed up, as you astutely mentioned, so keeping it to convictions I think would avoid most of that sort of tomfoolery. We aren't at the stage yet where the courts are just throwing people in jail all willy-nilly, so I think convictions are relatively safe. I personally feel more comfortable trusting our legal system than I do with trusting the vagaries of the electorate.
 
RationalPolicy said:
I think that's why you need to only do that with legitimate convictions. Arrests or indictments can be easily drummed up, as you astutely mentioned, so keeping it to convictions I think would avoid most of that sort of tomfoolery. We aren't at the stage yet where the courts are just throwing people in jail all willy-nilly, so I think convictions are relatively safe. I personally feel more comfortable trusting our legal system than I do with trusting the vagaries of the electorate.
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True but you could be stuck with a corrupt politician whose case it dragged out for extended periods too because their trial wont be heard for an age.
 
poweRob said:
True but you could be stuck with a corrupt politician whose case it dragged out for extended periods too because their trial wont be heard for an age.
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Definitely possible. That's what happened with my Senator, Bob Menendez, who was eventually released after a mistrial (although he is guilty in my mind, but not under the current legal standard). I'd rather have the pressure of the public on the individual in question during the trial or prior to the trial but after indictment, as the person may end up resigning under pressure. I just find the direct democracy of the recall something that is not in keeping with the spirit of the American Republic. Probably something that's idiosyncratic to me, but that's just how I feel I guess. I appreciate the quality discussion though!
 
poweRob said:
New GOP tactic to subvert our representative democracy... recall politicians who've done nothing other than belonging to the opposite party.

Democrats try to stop Nevada recall and save their state Senate majority

Democrats are going to court in Nevada on Wednesday to try to stop a recall election that they fear could lead to new efforts to wipe out legislative majorities across the country. Republicans in Nevada are seeking to recall two senators who were elected in 2016 -- without alleging any wrongdoing on the part of the senators.

Why oust Sens. Joyce Woodhouse and Nicole Cannizzaro? Because both are Democrats, and if the GOP can flip two seats, it will take control of the state Senate. If the recall effort succeeds, it could provide a model to flip legislatures across the nation in the 20 states that allow the process, putting all narrowly divided legislative bodies in those states at risk.​
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There have been 150 recall efforts in Nevada, not a one has succeeded. Let the people vote.
 
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