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Gowdy: Nunes memo does not discredit Mueller probe in any way

In your view is it unreadonable for the public to expect mueller to gove everyone a full explination of what was investigated, ehat was not, and the readons behind these decissions?

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Of course it is not "unreadonable"(sic) for Mr Mueller to provide a full "explination"(sic) ONCE HE HAS COMPLETED HIS INVESTIGATION. Prior to that time the public must wait and should ignore all of the babble coming from various talking heads
 
Quite honestly, I have no idea why they pulled this stunt if not to discredit the investigative efforts into the Trump/Russia investigation. It was hyped up and then comes out saying pretty much what everyone expected it would.

I suppose many here think it's some kind of bombshell, but it's really not. It just a memo. It has no teeth, it's a bunch of allegations, but well short of "evidence." It might result in a full investigation or it might not.

The stunt was to appeal to his 30% base that would vote for him even if he shot someone in broad daylight. I used the metaphor that they would most certainly be sportin' an "O" face from reading the Nunes memo. Even though most people thought the Nunes memo was a worthless pile of crap, based upon posts on DP from our Con friends, they saw it as an essential addition to their political porn stash.

I don't know how many times people cited it as PROOF that "....the Mueller investigation was a witch hunt because the FBI committed "fraud" in obtaining a FISA warrant on Carter Page..." ... a statement that is logic flawed and wrong on just about every level..... but, they wanted to hear that, so that is what they heard.
 
...at the end of the investigation. His charter is in the public domain, but an investigation is a discreet thing. It ain't a spectator sport. Oversight is provided by DoJ and a grand jury.



Posting after your Super Bowl party, eh?
Lol busted yeah im Superbowling

I dont expect mueller to jeaporidize a current investigation in progress but when its reached its conclussion i do expect it to ne made transparent. No im not comfortable leaving it to the doj or anyone else to tell me eberything was done correctly.

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The stunt was to appeal to his 30% base that would vote for him even if he shot someone in broad daylight. I used the metaphor that they would most certainly be sportin' an "O" face from reading the Nunes memo. Even though most people thought the Nunes memo was a worthless pile of crap, based upon posts on DP from our Con friends, they saw it as an essential addition to their political porn stash.

I don't know how many times people cited it as PROOF that "....the Mueller investigation was a witch hunt because the FBI committed "fraud" in obtaining a FISA warrant on Carter Page..." ... a statement that is logic flawed and wrong on just about every level..... but, they wanted to hear that, so that is what they heard.

Yeah but some people are still craving more meat

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/02/nunes-memo-treason-paul-gosar-386089
 
Gowdy isn't dancing along to the tune played by President Trump and Nunes.

Gowdy is the one republican in the house who has seen all of the underlying evidence.

That isn't a mere coincidence, it's a sour assessment of the optics. Ordinarily, someone who is implicated like President Trump would steer clear of the investigation and then contest the outcome. The only reason to risk obstruction of justice is that the outcome is absolutely indefensible; which is an interesting coincidence with President Trump getting unlawful help in the election and then rewarding the criminals by blocking sanctions against them.

You've watched too many Bond movies....The only way you wouldn't be making up things like obstruction is if Trump allowed himself to be bulldozed by your ilk in all of this...That's not who he is...Trump is a fighter, and you know that, and knew it before you libs hatched up this BS to cover your illegal spying, and unmasking during the election.
 
Actually, I think he's probably stepping down because he doesn't believe he's electable in November. It's a boring explanation, but I think it's the most likely one.

It's possible he's tired of being in the position of being the GOP house attack dog for whatever scandal they are trying to distract us with. Benghazi Forever was a really bad movie.

He's not dumb and has options where he doesn't need to play dumb. He's going to take one of them.

I sure as hell don't believe he would've said the about the nunes memo if he were still running.

I think all of you are definitely on the right track here.
 
I am confident that we will know in due time....And there will be plenty on both sides to use as fodder.

There is no false equivalence with 'both sides' in the Mueller investigation ...
 
Oh please...Trying to portray Gowdy as some kind of 'rat jumping ship' before some huge revelation seems more like wishful thinking on your part.

Why did Gowdy retire at the same time as the trump/nunes treason was released?

Aren't you glad the gop is in bed with russian trolls and bots on 'release the memo' ?
 
Not at all, and I am not attacking anything other than making claims that are, or seem to be counterfactual.

Not counterfactual until proven counterfactual ...
 
There is no false equivalence with 'both sides' in the Mueller investigation ...

So, you're saying what? That only progressive views on this thing count? So, you're part of the problem today.

Why did Gowdy retire at the same time as the trump/nunes treason was released?

Treason? So, now it is 'treason' to allow the people to have more information? Wow...So, you're for coverup's....

Aren't you glad the gop is in bed with russian trolls and bots on 'release the memo' ?

It's sad to see you destroy your credibility.
 
He's giving up being a United States Senator because he doesn't like Trump? Okay.

I think it's because he just doesn't have the temperament, or the patience, to deal with a do-nothing joke that most of the politicians have turned our political system into. That kind of corruption doesn't seem like it would sit well with him as he just seems like a very serious individual.
 
Not counterfactual until proven counterfactual ...

Yes, look how far we have slipped down the rabbit hole....Now it seems that all one needs is an allegation, and it is true unless proven false....Sorry dude, that is NOT how things work in this nation....
 
The memo does not discredit Mueller at this time but it does discredit the Obama administration and the upper echelon of intel agencies, the DOJ, and the State Department that abused their powers.

Christopher Steele sure did get around. Whether Obama's FBI, DOJ and the State Department he was in contact with all of them at high levels even after the FBI found him leaking sensitive information to the media.

The left has become unhinged over this memo. Their hyperbole is at an all time high. The former heads of Obama's intel, DOJ and State Department were out in full force over the weekend. Clapper, Brennan, and a former spokes person for the State Department were making the rounds on the talk shows while Comey and John Kerry were engaged in Twitter tirades. They are circling the wagons. And this was just the first memo. There are 4 to 5 more to come just from the House Intel.

I read Grassley is trying to get his memo from the Judiciary committee released but he has to get approval from the DOJ.




https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/4/fbi-authorized-christopher-steele-payments-dossier/
 
Gowdy: Nunes memo does not discredit Mueller probe in any way | TheHill



Gowdy's comments about the memo seem very rational. While I am no fan of him, I think it puts the memo in correct context. But also indicates there is more information that we don't know.

Since Republicans are so concerned that the American public needs to know the facts, release everything. The FBI claims that information has been left out that would put the issue in proper context, so let's see it.

Gowdy is correct. Mueller needs to finish his investigation. There are several investigations that we are waiting for results on. There is the Muellers, the DOJ OIG. I think the OIG report will trigger another special counsel. Then there are the other investigations that are ongoing.
 
I can't understand why Nunes is pulling this dishonest crap. I wonder if he has been compromised by the Russians too.
 
The memo does not discredit Mueller at this time but it does discredit the Obama administration and the upper echelon of intel agencies, the DOJ, and the State Department that abused their powers.

Christopher Steele sure did get around. Whether Obama's FBI, DOJ and the State Department he was in contact with all of them at high levels even after the FBI found him leaking sensitive information to the media.

The left has become unhinged over this memo. Their hyperbole is at an all time high. The former heads of Obama's intel, DOJ and State Department were out in full force over the weekend. Clapper, Brennan, and a former spokes person for the State Department were making the rounds on the talk shows while Comey and John Kerry were engaged in Twitter tirades. They are circling the wagons. And this was just the first memo. There are 4 to 5 more to come just from the House Intel.

I read Grassley is trying to get his memo from the Judiciary committee released but he has to get approval from the DOJ.




https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/4/fbi-authorized-christopher-steele-payments-dossier/

I'm not sure what you mean by "unhinged." If I or my agency were attacked for political expediency through cherry picking details and leaving out mitigating information - which is the claim - I'd surely be firing back at my accusers.

Everyone in the Trump camp believes the memo 100% truthful - which is the first problem. Those being accused are refuting the memo and everyone in the Trump camp believes they are liars - which is the second problem.

I seem to recall all of the backlash over Republicans clearing Clinton of any wrong doing or negligence in the Benghazi investigation - nobody in DC was to be trusted, Republicans were out to get Trump and under the sway of the Clinton political machine. But now, Republicans are to be completely trusted all of a sudden?

Come on, man.
 
The memo does not discredit Mueller at this time but it does discredit the Obama administration and the upper echelon of intel agencies, the DOJ, and the State Department that abused their powers.

Except, of course, for the fact that it doesn't even remotely discredit them in any manner.
Christopher Steele sure did get around. Whether Obama's FBI, DOJ and the State Department he was in contact with all of them at high levels even after the FBI found him leaking sensitive information to the media.

The left has become unhinged over this memo. Their hyperbole is at an all time high. The former heads of Obama's intel, DOJ and State Department were out in full force over the weekend. Clapper, Brennan, and a former spokes person for the State Department were making the rounds on the talk shows while Comey and John Kerry were engaged in Twitter tirades. They are circling the wagons. And this was just the first memo. There are 4 to 5 more to come just from the House Intel.

No, the left hasn't come unhinged over this memo.
 
Oh jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus. You guys just can't stop drinking the kool aid, can you? Did it ever occur to you that he realizes that there is absolutely nothing at all that Trump will be charged with and he just doesn't want to work with Trump for seven more years?

I doubt he has much interaction with the White House.

More likely, it's what he said... he doesn't want to deal with congress and the political games they play. He's one of the good guys, trying to do the right thing -- in a political body where that's frowned upon as being strange.
 
I can't understand why Nunes is pulling this dishonest crap. I wonder if he has been compromised by the Russians too.

That theory is becoming an increasingly popular trend, and was seriously proposed on Left Right and Center. There's very little to explain behavior that irrational and desperate. It's serious William H. Macy from Fargo stuff.
 
Maybe I'm being overly simplistic but to me it all boils down to the FISA warrant either being offered to the judge due to the dossier only or due to several factors. It seems the extremists on one side say is was due to only the dossier while the extremists on the other side claim the dossier had nothing to do with it (even though it was listed on the application).

As far as the middle goes, there seems to be one side who says the warrant was based on mainly the dossier but that there were also other factors involved or the other side, who says that the warrant was not based mainly on the dossier but due to those several other factors. So, I'm going to go with this middle ground. Democrats, the FBI, or the DOJ don't seem to deny whatsoever that the facts stated in the memo are true but claim that it is cherry picked information and that there were really many other factors (some unknown due to being classified) that went into the warrant in addition to the dossier. I was watching Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace (a registered Democrat) today and one of his guests was Representative Eric Swalwell, Democrat California, House Intelligence Committee, and he really danced around the issue, saying that the dossier was presented to the judge as having a political motivation but then eventually and reluctantly admitted that the judge was not told that this political motivation was bought and paid for by Hillary and the DNC.

Now facts are facts and truth is truth but the FBI was conducting an investigation using biased agents and using biased information (at least in part). Now I wholeheartedly agree that there is nothing in the memo which exonerates Trump or his campaign but if you are going to run an investigation you should be doing it with unbiased agents and unbiased cherry picked sources and telling the judge that the dossier was paid for by Hillary and the DNC. Actually the dossier shouldn't have even been presented to the judge at all. I'm perfectly ok with Democrats coming out with their own cherry picked memo and I'm fine with hanging Carter page, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, and Michael Flynn for treason but I have not seen one shred of evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians in order to influence the election. Bottom line for me, if Hillary didn't have any dirt then no one would have found dirt. It's HER fault that she had dirt. It's not anyone else's fault but hers. And, I see no evidence that Trump obstructed justice. Firing Comey did not stop the investigation.

If they offered the Dossier as evidence, and an article (based on information from the author), as evidence, then the people responsible should be investigated for abuse of their position. It was unverified information from questionable sources -- much of which was false. This should never have been admitted as evidence. The fact it was allowed to be used for renewals compounds the issue.

The FISA court has been under fire for years (many of those arrows coming from Democrats). If this is even partially true, they need to review the whole process.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "unhinged." If I or my agency were attacked for political expediency through cherry picking details and leaving out mitigating information - which is the claim - I'd surely be firing back at my accusers.

Everyone in the Trump camp believes the memo 100% truthful - which is the first problem. Those being accused are refuting the memo and everyone in the Trump camp believes they are liars - which is the second problem.

I seem to recall all of the backlash over Republicans clearing Clinton of any wrong doing or negligence in the Benghazi investigation - nobody in DC was to be trusted, Republicans were out to get Trump and under the sway of the Clinton political machine. But now, Republicans are to be completely trusted all of a sudden?

Come on, man.

Clinton was never cleared. In fact, the investigation came down very hard on her, and the administration, on their mismanagement of the situation.
 
so your point(after that teenage girl ranting at the beginning) is that the GOP moved the goal posts and it' ironic that the left is now doing the same thing with the Mueller investigation. Read the posts above yours. It's no longer about collusion because it's "not going to work for them." So they have "goal post shifted" to obstruction now. same situation. which means, unfortunately for those praying for Trumps removal, the same outcome. He stays.

good point.

I heard a political scientist the other day that speculated that Mueller has moved to obstruction and money laundering because he has already finished making his case for coordination.
 
If they offered the Dossier as evidence, and an article (based on information from the author), as evidence, then the people responsible should be investigated for abuse of their position. It was unverified information from questionable sources -- much of which was false. This should never have been admitted as evidence. The fact it was allowed to be used for renewals compounds the issue.

The FISA court has been under fire for years (many of those arrows coming from Democrats). If this is even partially true, they need to review the whole process.

One thing I have to say about it all is that in Hillary Clinton's case, if she hadn't had any dirt on her in the first place then Russia would never have found any dirt to try meddling in our elections. So, we should be thanking the Russians for exposing her for who she really was. It was Hillary's fault for having dirt on her to be found.

Conversely, yes, the FISA partisanship exposed by the Republican memo may not have been appropriate (just as Russia's hacking of our election was not appropriate), but if Carter Page, Manafort, et-al had dirty hands, that isn't the Democrat's fault for exposing dirt where the people in question shouldn't have had dirt in the first place. So, I say the whole thing should be a wash. Drop all charges against Trump and don't cry about Democrats exposing these traitors that shouldn't have had dirt on their hands in the first place.
 
I heard a political scientist the other day that speculated that Mueller has moved to obstruction and money laundering because he has already finished making his case for coordination.

every small piece of info that the investigation has found that hurts Trump has leaked out. They would have to have a smoking gun to pin down Trump. the odds they are able to keep that secret is zero to none. If it hasn't leaked by now they don't have it.

also, you can see from the way the left now argues they have pretty much realized the collusion narrative isn't happening. They have put all their eggs into the obstruction basket now. Just read the posts on this website. They wouldn't be doing that if they thought Mueller had a collusion case on Trump. It's obvious what is going on.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "unhinged." If I or my agency were attacked for political expediency through cherry picking details and leaving out mitigating information - which is the claim - I'd surely be firing back at my accusers.

Everyone in the Trump camp believes the memo 100% truthful - which is the first problem. Those being accused are refuting the memo and everyone in the Trump camp believes they are liars - which is the second problem.

I seem to recall all of the backlash over Republicans clearing Clinton of any wrong doing or negligence in the Benghazi investigation - nobody in DC was to be trusted, Republicans were out to get Trump and under the sway of the Clinton political machine. But now, Republicans are to be completely trusted all of a sudden?

Come on, man.

What I mean by unhinged is the plethora of unfounded claims brought about by the left from shifty Schiff to the outrageous claims of Pelosi to Obama's Brennan of the CIA and several others before and after the memo was released. Many of the things they claimed this memo would do if released was BS.

I see the ratcheting up of attacks as a sign these folks didn't want this information made public not because of national security and a list of faux concerns they gave but rather to keep hidden the actions of the Obama administration upper echelon of agencies and departments. This first memo was like unto someone taking a swipe at a hornets nest. The hornets which are well aware this memo brings damning implications to them, several who have given testimony before Congress, is quite interesting to watch. From what I watched this past weekend, some seem to be getting tripped up over basic questions.

The one interview that stood out above all others was the former spokes person for Kerry's State Department. Her name is Nuland. She was asked about Christopher Steele and told that Steele was very close to the higher ups at the Obama State Department. Now for the two terms of the Obama presidency that would include Clinton and then Kerry. You see this Steele character seemed to be 'real close' in a lot Obama's agencies from FBI, DOJ and yes the State Department. She did verify that he shared the dossier with the "higher echelon" too.

Who knew an ex British spy hired by Fusion GPS by the DNC/Clinton campaign to dig up dirt on Trump, who used Russian sources tied to the Kremlin would have such clout! He was influencing the State Dept, the FBI and the DOJ. And that some of these agencies used that tripe that has not been verified to obtain FISA warrants!

It stinks and you know it. But let the games continue, the truth will come out.
 
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