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CDC to cut by 80 percent efforts to prevent global disease outbreak

vegas giants said:
Who is ultimately responsible for the CDC?
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I will agree that the President is ultimately responsible for the CDC. Your statement was that the President ordered tests not to be used. Is that true or not? If you say it is, where is your proof?

Do you believe it is the President that determines if a test is effective or not?
 
Relsdm said:
I will agree that the President is ultimately responsible for the CDC. Your statement was that the President ordered tests not to be used. Is that true or not? If you say it is, where is your proof?

Do you believe it is the President that determines if a test is effective or not?
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He can order the CDC to do whatever he wants them to do. Trump screwed the pooch
 
Phys251 said:
Why do you like to lie?

Reporter: White House Knew Of Coronavirus' 'Major Threat,' But Response Fell Short : NPR

This idiotic, dangerous, narcissistic president finally started to take this pandemic seriously two months late. :thumbdown
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Please point out any lie I have made.

The article you point to is someone's opinion. We can debate the best approach to do anything but everyone has an opinion.
Should some things have been differently. Yep. There are very few things in life that you don't look back and say I could have done that better.
 
Phys251 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-efforts-to-prevent-global-disease-outbreak



Cool, let's just go ahead and let pandemics become easier to happen. :doh

For those who are foolish enough to believe that this is a good thing, do not forget how easily Ebola, MERS, etc. spread from one continent to another. Our ability to contain potential pandemics is limited enough as is.
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Phys251 said:
It only takes one pandemic to wreck the planet. Or one disease outbreak to cause major problems.

Apparently you want to sacrifice that to your god of the balanced budget. :shrug:
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Thank you, Utility Man, for bumping this old thread of mine.

Ever heard the saying, "If this is wrong, I don't want to be right"? Don't think I've seen a more tragic example of this on DP. :(

In fact, I think we should take some time to reflect on some of the comments on this thread back in 2018. Let's see how well they aged.
 
vegas giants said:
He can order the CDC to do whatever he wants them to do. Trump screwed the pooch
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Lets assume for sake of argument that he instructed CDC to develop a test, would you say it is the medical professionals responsibility to make sure it works?

I am still waiting for you to provide proof of your claim. Is it safe to say you just told a big lie because it sounded good?
 
weaver2 said:
Yes, if you take the law into your own hands and start killing people you get your guns taken away. Which was what happened during Katrina in New Orleans.
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You are woefully uninformed on what happened during Katrina with gun confiscation.
 
Relsdm said:
Lets assume for sake of argument that he instructed CDC to develop a test, would you say it is the medical professionals responsibility to make sure it works?

I am still waiting for you to provide proof of your claim. Is it safe to say you just told a big lie because it sounded good?
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Dude. There were perfectly good tests available. South korea had thousands of them. Why not use them like South Korea did.


This falls at trump's feet
 
vegas giants said:
Dude. There were perfectly good tests available. South korea had thousands of them. Why not use them like South Korea did.


This falls at trump's feet
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Then show the proof of your claim.

Ok, South Korea did a lot more testing than the US. The US has fewer deaths. Which do you prefer? More tests or fewer deaths?
 
Relsdm said:
Then show the proof of your claim.

Ok, South Korea did a lot more testing than the US. The US has fewer deaths. Which do you prefer? More tests or fewer deaths?
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More tests. How do we know how many are sick if we can not test them? Duh

How far is South Korea from China? Duh
 
vegas giants said:
More tests. How do we know how many are sick if we can not test them? Duh

How far is South Korea from China? Duh
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Did you just seriously answer that you prefer more tests over fewer deaths?

You have your priorities totally screwed up. I would take no more deaths over any number of tests given.

Italy is further away from China than South Korea and there are a lot more deaths there. Distance is not the factor that determines infection.
 
beerftw said:
Wait your own article mentions the money they are losing is from a one time package to handle the ebola outbreak, the only thing your article proves is that govt agencies need to constantly expand, they act like going back to normal funding is the end of the world, however they were runing on special funding, and expecting special funding to be the norm, meaning they aimed to constantly expand funding and expected one time crisis funding to be their new baseline budget.
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How's that working for you now, beerftw?

Hawkeye10 said:
If the geniuses have not been able to fix this weakness that they themselves did not know existed till Ebola because they suck have not been able to solve the problem in all these years and with all that money.....well then, we need new geniuses.

We CAN NOT afford to continue to throw money at incompetence.
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Hawkeye10 said:
Ebola happened because the geniuses completely failed, they failed to do something that we know well how to do because they lost interest, and they misjudged risk, and their systems sucked.......because they suck.

Money is not going to fix that, but they have had plenty of time and plenty of money to figure out the fix.

If they have not by now.....
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And I'm sure you know exactly what would have worked, Hawkeye. :lol:

Oborosen said:
Its the usual method of "Facts don't matter" crap, just so they can take a swing at Trump.

It seems to be all the rage with kids these days. Guess I'm just a bit too long in the tooth, to understand why someone would verbally shoot themselves in the foot.
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There's your "blame Trumps' critics" for your Bingo card. Plenty of examples of this but you only get one X on that card.

HowardBThiname said:
It was approved because there was an immediate and dire need. The level of need has now decreased. If/when we see another surge or dire need, it's very likely that more funding will become available. Like a lot of democrat wailing and gnashing of teeth -- this is just one more big nothingburger.

Eat up.
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Come again? :)

RetiredUSN said:
Why isn't China and the EU contributing more towards the effort?
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reinoe said:
I don't see what the problem is...this is something the UN should handle.
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Also plenty of the "other countries should do more and we should do less" spot on your Bingo card. Those are just two examples.
 
Relsdm said:
Did you just seriously answer that you prefer more tests over fewer deaths?

You have your priorities totally screwed up. I would take no more deaths over any number of tests given.

Italy is further away from China than South Korea and there are a lot more deaths there. Distance is not the factor that determines infection.
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Do you honestly think we know how many are infected if we cant test all of them? We them home to infect others.

Covid-19 coronavirus testing in the US has been absurdly sluggish. That puts us at risk. - Vox
 
Now let's look at some examples of people other than myself who got it right. Remember, this was over two years ago. Note the ignorant comments that several of them received in return.

Northern Light said:
Let's just call it what it is. A financial agreement is about to expire and Trump is not likely going to renew it. He is looking at the short term only and knowing him, he's probably thinking about this as just some other country's problem. What he's not realizing - which is what the article mentions - is that if response time is reduced, it only takes 48 hours for an epidemic to reach a major city and then go global. It will then cost significantly more money to do last-minute prevention and quarantine over large areas because the pre-planning from the current funding strategy will be gone. Estimates are in the several billions of dollars in the USA alone.

This is a disaster waiting to happen and it will cost us way more money in the long run. It's not like we'll just get lucky and there will not be another epidemic for 50 years. Epidemics are a matter of when, not if, especially given the levels of drug resistance we are seeing across many pathogenic organisms.

At least the CDC will still be able to focus on the 10 worst countries, but their ability to lead initiatives will be severely hampered if the funding dries up.
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:applaud

year2late said:
It is funny....in over 30 years and trillions of dollars and millions of lives affected and/or lost.....we still cannot understand the need to nip these things in the bud. With AIDS, it was pandering to social conservatives "The Moral Majority" that lead us to this clusterfudge. What is our excuse this time?
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year2late said:
Just look to our horrendous mismanagement of the beginning of the AIDS crisis. Mix a group of shortsighted financial micromanagers and the appalling so called "Moral Majority" and you get a world wide pandemic that has cost the world millions of lives and trillions of dollars.

It is disgusting that we have not learned from our mistakes of the past.

It is almost like folks forgot that Ebola actually hit the US a few years ago. Damned lucky we were.
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And our luck has run out.

EnigmaO01 said:
Read an interesting book that shows how the CCD and WHO have headed off several potential world wide pandemics. Cutting funding is just asking for trouble. If we think the 1918 pandemic was bad -- the deadliest in modern history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide–about one-third of the planet's population at the time–and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims -- you ain't seen nothing yet due to modern transportation. Add to that if transportation was halted, which it would be, it would crippling to the World economy.
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"There's something very familiar about all this..."
 
vegas giants said:
Do you honestly think we know how many are infected if we cant test all of them? We them home to infect others.

Covid-19 coronavirus testing in the US has been absurdly sluggish. That puts us at risk. - Vox
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Is it better to have more testing available? Absolutely

However, I will never take more testing over fewer deaths. I don't care what the reason is for fewer deaths.
You are all hung up about testing because it fits your narrative that Trump did a bad job.

Did you think Obama did a good job relative to the swine flu outbreak?
 
Relsdm said:
Is it better to have more testing available? Absolutely

However, I will never take more testing over fewer deaths. I don't care what the reason is for fewer deaths.
You are all hung up about testing because it fits your narrative that Trump did a bad job.

Did you think Obama did a good job relative to the swine flu outbreak?
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Yes. Obama did a great job.


But of course you hate him because you are a forever trumper
 
Phys251 said:
You don't care how many people die from this pandemic. Your anti-globalism is more important to you than human lives.

DISMISSED
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Sorry, supporting the entire world is irrational and economically untenable. Living in the real world means that you understand such basic concepts.
 
Republicans have been at war with science for decades.

They don't like science because they can't control the narrative. Science is guided by facts and sometimes it's like those pesky facts have a liberal bias. So science must be repressed.
 
Fishking said:
Living in the real world means that you understand such basic concepts.
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Basic concepts such as trusting experts regardless of your ideology?
 
Relsdm said:
You will have to post a quote out of the article that says Trump refused to used available test because I don't see that anywhere in the article.

As the article points out, we can debate if everything was done correctly. We can debate when and how many test kits were available. We can debate if quarantine was a good idea.
However, there is no claim that the President ordered testing not to be done.

I have seen in some articles that some of the early test kits were ineffective. That is the fault of medical professionals, not administrative people.
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Clearly he is the president is he not? if anyone makes a decision within the administration it is Trump's responsibility to know what that decision is...and Trump is the final authority and ultimately responsible. I knew you would try to weasel out of it.
 
Phys251 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-efforts-to-prevent-global-disease-outbreak



Cool, let's just go ahead and let pandemics become easier to happen. :doh

For those who are foolish enough to believe that this is a good thing, do not forget how easily Ebola, MERS, etc. spread from one continent to another. Our ability to contain potential pandemics is limited enough as is.
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Actually, our ability to contain outbreaks may be better than they have ever been before. Cell phones started giving us warnings while the chinese government was trying to contain the news rather than the pandemic. All other nations could have shut down transportation between areas way faster than they did. Regional and local governments could have been preparing for the pandemic much sooner than has happened. Normal citizens have and continue to know the dangers of this outbreak and yet I am still watching restaurants and malls filling up. We really do not need more government agencies, we need smarter governments. All we have to do is look at other countries and learn from them.
 
jpn said:
Republicans have been at war with science for decades.

They don't like science because they can't control the narrative. Science is guided by facts and sometimes it's like those pesky facts have a liberal bias. So science must be repressed.
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Sometimes the so called facts as you call them are twisted to give a false narrative. Al Gore claimed in 2006 that in ten year we would be a point of no return if drastic measures were not taken now.

I am not a climate change or science denier. I just believe that the climate has always changed and will continue to do so.
Facts are facts but sometimes the facts don't mean what you try to make them mean.
 
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