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GOP case: FBI probe based on tainted evidence linked to Clinton

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I found this article from The Hill very informative and worthy of sharing. It lays out the information surrounding the memo, without a bunch of partisan blather, and offers the reason according to their sources, that republicans think it's so important.


GOP case: FBI probe based on tainted evidence linked to Clinton
BY JOHN SOLOMON - 02/01/18 06:43 PM EST


While the FBI has been protesting the release of the Nunes memo, it has been working behind the scenes to vet a version of the Grassley-Graham memo, which is expected to be released in redacted form soon. The FBI is also seeking redactions to the Nunes memo, though it is not clear the White House or congressional Republicans will agree to them.


Republicans believe both documents will back up arguments that evidence used to justify the FBI’s probe came from partisans loyal to Clinton, sources said. They are also expected to play into arguments from some Republicans that special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russia is based on false information.


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They will argue the FBI failed to critically assess the political motives and credibility of Steele and did not fully disclose that evidence came from Clinton supporters as it sought to get permission from courts for surveillance warrants.


“The fact that half to three-quarters of the evidence the FBI used to unleash the most awesome of surveillance powers upon Donald Trump’s inner circle came from sources tied directly to his Democratic opponent should worry us all, especially when that happened during an election,” said one senior Republican directly familiar with the evidence, describing the party’s core concerns.


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The Steele dossier, the PI report and the news story “all seem like independent corroborating evidence” but Republicans now believe they were “the fruits of a single politically poisoned tree planted by Clinton partisans,” said a source familiar with concerns that are raised in the House Republican Intelligence panel memo.


“Rather than quality double-sourced intelligence, it is our conclusion it was nothing more than thinly veiled, single-sourced political opposition research masquerading as intel," the source said.
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GOP case: FBI probe based on tainted evidence linked to Clinton | TheHill


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I see a lot of 'Clinton' in there ................ :roll: ................
 
Just more Republican lies.

Grassely and Graham alleged that the dossier was used to obtain the warrants publicly, despite the Senate transcript proving they've known for weeks that it was the actions of George Papadopoulos during the campaign that triggered the FBI investigation.

They are on the record as lying to the public. This whole theme that "it was the dossier" is pure fiction by the GOP, which the FBI and Christopher Wray are going to call out-- which is something they didn't expect.

So go ahead and release your little memo, within a few days the truth will come out, and the GOP will once again be exposed.
 
As long as nothing touches Rod Rosenstein they can cry about Clinton partisans all they want.
 
MovingPictures said:
The Clinton's live in their dreams.
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I find the eternal fascination with the Clintons by Trump & the greater GOP to be nothing more than some form of mental illness; I mean really, these jackasses STILL have not gotten over the Goddamn election, even tho' poor Bully Fuhrer won the election.

what a ****ing mess ........ within some people's minds, that is ...............
 
cuban smokes said:
I see a lot of 'Clinton' in there ................ :roll: ................
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Of course you do... Thus the title of the article "GOP case: FBI probe based on tainted evidence linked to Clinton".

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Their desperation is showing, by summer they will be in full meltdown mode.
Very Entertaining, and something you can tell your grandkids about one day, take notes, every day brings something new.
 
MovingPictures said:
Just more Republican lies.

Grassely and Graham alleged that the dossier was used to obtain the warrants publicly, despite the Senate transcript proving they've known for weeks that it was the actions of George Papadopoulos during the campaign that triggered the FBI investigation.

They are on the record as lying to the public. This whole theme that "it was the dossier" is pure fiction by the GOP, which the FBI and Christopher Wray are going to call out-- which is something they didn't expect.

So go ahead and release your little memo, within a few days the truth will come out, and the GOP will once again be exposed.
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Oh, the Papadopoulos nonsense. Please. That sad song began to be sung after the 'Carter Page triggered the investigation' narrative fell apart. All that needs to be said about Papadopoulos is that the FBI responded to that piece of intelligence by getting a warrant on Carter Page.

Some launch.
 
Casper said:
Their desperation is showing, by summer they will be in full meltdown mode.
Very Entertaining, and something you can tell your grandkids about one day, take notes, every day brings something new.
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I agree... The democrats are in meltdown mode. I've never seen them so desperate and go to such lengths to prevent the public release of a document before.

Why else would Adam Schiff lie to the American people and claim the memo is bogus because of edits made to it, when the only material changes that were made to it, were the ones suggested by the FBI and house democrats?
Why else would Nancy Pelosi continue to claim the memo's release would compromise national security, when we all know that's not the case?

Meltdown mode is right... Tomorrow is going to be a helluva day.

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Grim17 said:
I agree... The democrats are in meltdown mode. I've never seen them so desperate and go to such lengths to prevent the public release of a document before.

Why else would Adam Schiff lie to the American people and claim the memo is bogus because of edits made to it, when the only material changes that were made to it, were the ones suggested by the FBI and house democrats?
Why else would Nancy Pelosi continue to claim the memo's release would compromise national security, when we all know that's not the case?

Meltdown mode is right... Tomorrow is going to be a helluva day.

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I am looking forward to it and the next few weeks and months, gonna be Priceless...:lamo
 
trblmkr said:
Reminds me of the article: Why are all of these Trump people talking to Russians and then lying about it?
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I'm waiting for the article "Did 45 hire Michael Cohen because he speaks Russian?"
 
Grim17 said:
Why else would Adam Schiff lie to the American people and claim the memo is bogus because of edits made to it, when the only material changes that were made to it, were the ones suggested by the FBI and house democrats?
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Link?
 
Grim17 said:
I found this article from The Hill very informative and worthy of sharing. It lays out the information surrounding the memo, without a bunch of partisan blather, and offers the reason according to their sources, that republicans think it's so important.
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Which is 100% partisan blather.

It's partisan, irrelevant, irresponsible, and unethical if not criminal, is what it is. You can look at it in every way, from any angle.

- Rather than fully cooperate with the special investigator, with transparency and "nothing to hide", they are literally attacking Mueller, Rosenstein, and the FBI in general. This is a fact.

- The "memo" is written by Nunes, he's a know partisan Trump defender, remember the wiretapping secret briefing he got from the White House then acting like he had to go BACK to the white house to brief them on it? All to defend Trump's "Obama had my wires tapped" claim? Sure you do.

- They are specifically denying the Democrat "memo" that seeks to clarify and give context to show the Republican partisan memo is just what it is...a thinly veiled attempt at discrediting the FBI/investigation into Trump. Why would they not want the American people to make up their own mind in releasing both together? Because it's partisan and we all know it.

- All of the intelligence organizations are saying it should not be released both because of the nature of it, and because it's obviously a one-sided, cherry-picked, partisan attack on our nations FBI and justice department.

- There is no crime, hence it's a memo and not some real action...it's only purpose is to attack Mueller's investigation. If this were serious, it wouldn't be some Memo that Nunes cooked up that magically is somehow an attack on the investigation he was supposed to be participating IN!

- The Steele dossier is not from a single source, it's from many, many sources, and much of it has already been corroborated. Steele is a credible Russian intelligence specialist, and has delivered many reports to the United States...suddenly it's all because of Clinton? It makes *no sense whatsoever*

- Competition is who always pays for investigative journalism, dirt., etc. If there is nothing to find, they find nothing. In this case, they found what appeared to be an incredible national security issue so it was given to the FBI. Pointing out that it started as a REPUBLICAN paid investigation (republican primary), and after Trump won, they sought Democrats to back the funding..that's how it works. It's how it works. It's how News works, they PAY journalists to uncover dirt for a STORY. In this case, it's paid to get information on wrongdoings of candidates...in Trump's case, so much that Steele feared for his and his family's life FFS.

- If this is an issue about FISA/warrants, they followed procudure, it is reviewed by a Judge on the FISA courts. It's currently 80% Republican.
Which political body just re-authorized the current FISA/SUrveillance laws? That's right Grim, Republicans...Ryan and Nunes were up there just a few months ago saying it needed to pass.

And suddenly they are not strict enough? They have themsevles to blame, the memo should read:

"How Republicans are willing to say/do anything no matter how stupid or contradictory for politics."
 
Just a rehash of what we already know. There is plenty of evidence that is far stronger than these allegations of wrongdoing. We need to see all of this out to the end and we'll judge right and wrong after the dust settles.
 
Mach said:
Which is 100% partisan blather.

It's partisan, irrelevant, irresponsible, and unethical if not criminal, is what it is. You can look at it in every way, from any angle.

- Rather than fully cooperate with the special investigator, with transparency and "nothing to hide", they are literally attacking Mueller, Rosenstein, and the FBI in general. This is a fact.

- The "memo" is written by Nunes, he's a know partisan Trump defender, remember the wiretapping secret briefing he got from the White House then acting like he had to go BACK to the white house to brief them on it? All to defend Trump's "Obama had my wires tapped" claim? Sure you do.

- They are specifically denying the Democrat "memo" that seeks to clarify and give context to show the Republican partisan memo is just what it is...a thinly veiled attempt at discrediting the FBI/investigation into Trump. Why would they not want the American people to make up their own mind in releasing both together? Because it's partisan and we all know it.

- All of the intelligence organizations are saying it should not be released both because of the nature of it, and because it's obviously a one-sided, cherry-picked, partisan attack on our nations FBI and justice department.

- There is no crime, hence it's a memo and not some real action...it's only purpose is to attack Mueller's investigation. If this were serious, it wouldn't be some Memo that Nunes cooked up that magically is somehow an attack on the investigation he was supposed to be participating IN!

- The Steele dossier is not from a single source, it's from many, many sources, and much of it has already been corroborated. Steele is a credible Russian intelligence specialist, and has delivered many reports to the United States...suddenly it's all because of Clinton? It makes *no sense whatsoever*

- Competition is who always pays for investigative journalism, dirt., etc. If there is nothing to find, they find nothing. In this case, they found what appeared to be an incredible national security issue so it was given to the FBI. Pointing out that it started as a REPUBLICAN paid investigation (republican primary), and after Trump won, they sought Democrats to back the funding..that's how it works. It's how it works. It's how News works, they PAY journalists to uncover dirt for a STORY. In this case, it's paid to get information on wrongdoings of candidates...in Trump's case, so much that Steele feared for his and his family's life FFS.

- If this is an issue about FISA/warrants, they followed procudure, it is reviewed by a Judge on the FISA courts. It's currently 80% Republican.
Which political body just re-authorized the current FISA/SUrveillance laws? That's right Grim, Republicans...Ryan and Nunes were up there just a few months ago saying it needed to pass.

And suddenly they are not strict enough? They have themsevles to blame, the memo should read:

"How Republicans are willing to say/do anything no matter how stupid or contradictory for politics."
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Get back to me after the memo is released.

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Grim17 said:
Get back to me after the memo is released..
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You posted a big article about the memo before it's release, and you're telling ME to get back to you after it's released?

Even your response is stupid as ****. WHy not just run this on some Troll Bots, if you don't want to DEBATE THE ****ING THING.
 
Grim17 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...te-house-was-sent-altered-russia-memo-n843556
Schiff: Nunes gave Trump 'secretly altered' version of memo | TheHill
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/31/schiff-classified-memo-nunes-trump-381260
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"Jack Langer, a spokesman for Nunes, confirmed that the memo had been edited, but said that the changes included "grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves," referring to committee Democrats."

It doesn't say what you say it says.
 
Mach said:
You posted a big article about the memo before it's release, and you're telling ME to get back to you after it's released?

Even your response is stupid as ****. WHy not just run this on some Troll Bots, if you don't want to DEBATE THE ****ING THING.
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Hey, I posted a story from The Hill about the case being made by republicans in that memo. What he posted was a bunch of liberal talking points in a desperate attempt to get people to ignore the memo when it's released.

I didn't post this thread to debate that kind of nonsense... There are several other threads on this forum that cover that discussion quite adequately.


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Cardinal said:
"Jack Langer, a spokesman for Nunes, confirmed that the memo had been edited, but said that the changes included "grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves," referring to committee Democrats."

It doesn't say what you say it says.
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Sara Carter is reporting it, and i will link you to it in a bit... I'm sorry, but I have to go out and take care of a few things in the real world before it gets too late.
 
Grim17 said:
I found this article from The Hill very informative and worthy of sharing. It lays out the information surrounding the memo, without a bunch of partisan blather, and offers the reason according to their sources, that republicans think it's so important.

GOP case: FBI probe based on tainted evidence linked to Clinton | TheHill
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I guess my big problem with the basic premise is the Republicans are torn up that the source of the memo was tied to Clinton, but that's not actually an indictment of the information Steele presented, even if that information was a major part of the case for the warrant. Bottom line is Trump supporters weren't going to be looking for evidence of Trump campaign "collusion" so if it's uncovered, we can all safely assume the source was just by necessity going to be someone working for or opposed to Trump's campaign. That's who has an interest in finding the info AND reporting it to FBI. Allies would never do it.

I've read several articles, like this one at Lawfareblog.com, that point out courts regularly evaluate evidence from what the GOP would call tainted sources (paid informants, wives in divorce proceedings, etc.), and warrants based on that information are perfectly fine because allies of the person who is the target of a warrant just aren't going to give damaging information.

The article also points out the other problem, which is if there was other information, corroborated by FBI, in addition to the Steele "dossier" then how do we evaluate the importance of the Steele dossier in the overall effort, even if it's all made up nonsense, which I don't think anyone's actually alleging. That's where the whole "omitted facts" stuff referred to in the FBI statement is critical, because if those omitted facts (i.e. other information that would support the warrant) is omitted, how can we evaluate anything about the Steele information? The source for Politico says 50-75% was Steele (that's implied anyway) but that's meaningless unless we know the other 25-50%.

Finally, it seems to me there's only a real problem if the FBI used information they KNEW was false or at least was likely false. It's my non-lawyer understanding that a warrant need not prove anything, just give the judge some reasonable basis on which to justify a search or other steps, such as wiretaps or whatever, so that FBI CAN prove something. And warrants (in my understanding) are occasionally issued in cases where the incriminating stuff isn't discovered so are in hindsight wrong, incorrect in some way. So if FBI offered up the Steele "dossier" and a bunch of other stuff (the 25-50% NOT Steele) that also supported the warrant, and did so in the good faith belief the Steele "dossier" was credible, I don't see a big problem. The leaks from FBI before the election about the Russia stuff was that the FBI had looked into it and found NOTHING. The NYT reported that in late October, and some liberals are still frothing mad about NYT running that story, after months and months of non-stop Hillary email stuff. So I don't see a case that FBI used false premises to open an investigation to swing the election to CLINTON has any basis in what we know at this point? How did FBI use this information to hurt Trump before the election?
 
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