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FBI Director Opposes Memo Release Because of Inaccuracies, Source Says

VanceMack said:
Straight up question.

IF it is proven...not speculated but PROVEN that in fact the FBI did use the Trump Dossier...a scam fabrication bought and paid for by the DNC (fact) created by a british foreign agent (fact) with 'evidence' created by paid Russian agents (not proven but credible) as justification for a FISA warrant and then provided unmasked materials on a political opposition party to the DNC and the Obama administration for use during an election, should those people that ordered it and used it be tried and if found guilty, sent to jail?

Or would you find some other excuse why this kind of **** is OK as long as it is the 'right' party doing it?

Now I left you lot of 'outs' there. This is PURELY SPECULATIVE. I dont know whats in the memo. YOU dont know whats in the memo. We all know both parties have partisan motivation (but considering what this pertains to...that is repugnant beyond words). Just asking. IF it turns out true...would you see democrats locked up? (and for the record...I have said from the get-go...I dont care who is guilty....both sides...they should all swing)
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Why should anybody answer your question when your entire post is filled with inaccuracies and your unsubstantiated opinion. Scam fabrication? Oh yeah, to you guys you just have to yell fake news and that's all it take.

Conveniently all while ignoring the piling up evidence of Trumps involvement, and his non stop attempt (along with REpublcians) to silence the investigation. How you guys stay so blind to reality is amazing to me
 
Erod said:
Wrong.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...accuracies-in-controversial-gop-memo-n2441862
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Thanks for the heads-up, but most of us already know that a Townhall cite is likely to be substantially comprised of wrong information, shallow insight and misleading conclusions. After all, Townhall is a political porn site. It exists to allow you to indulge in your fantasies.

Meanwhile, do you suppose you could find a credible cite that affirms your position on this?

While I have no idea what this so-called memo is, I do know it was written by Nunes so it lacks any credibility whatsoever. Its sole purpose is to provide Trump's supporters additional half-baked arguments to hang their hats upon. It is designed to feed his base, not dissuade his detractors.

The truth will never pass across the desk of Devin Nunes. There is nothing he could put in writing that would convince anybody of anything as he is a Trump lacky with no credibility whatsoever (why anyone would spend their little credibility on Trump defies reason, but that is another discussion).

Moreover, whatever is being released is incomplete (see FBI objections) as the intel committee voted to suppress the dissenting opinion. You only vote to suppress that counter-argument when you have a weak argument in the first place. This is nothing but a political smoke screen.

As of today, Trump faces very serious allegations of corruption. Devin Nunes is not smart enough to make the real truth go away. As of next week, Trump faces very serious allegations of corruption. It is unfortunate that we all must endure the ugly smoke over the next week.
 
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VanceMack said:
Yes...I know. We saw it when it was used yesterday and it was as blatantly obvious then as now. The left is already trying to do everything they can to de-legitimize the memo by mythically setting the terms on what it 'must be'. Very self serving.
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LOL More deflection,. Trump, from day one, has done all he can to try to discredit and block the investigations against him, now even amazingly attacking the FBI and CIA, as president of the united states. That look like an innocent person to you?

Please, spare us this nonsense deflection, its Trump trying to lie and act like a dictator to quash the truth from coming out, and you guys know it. You can lie all you want and deflect, it doesn't change that fact.

But hey, fox news has taught you to believe whatever you want, facts be damned
 
apdst said:
You've never questioned an anonymous source?
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I've never made it my only defense to information I don't want to hear, which puts me at odds with so many who question anonymous source.

I question anonymous sources when the report flies in the face of commonly understood information. This was not one of those instances and the FBI has come out and said exactly what the OP posted.
trouble13 said:
I on the other hand won't accept unnamed sources as proof of anything from either side.
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Well, you're in luck then since the FBI released a statement which basically proves the OP accurate.

Aren't you happy now?
 
Slyfox696 said:
They'll first start by questioning "unnamed sources", even though they've never had a problem using unnamed sources when it is what they want to hear. Then, if it is confirmed by media outlets they follow, it'll become part of the "deep state" conspiracy by Trump appointees to undermine the Trump presidency.You know, the usual.
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I'm not a Trump supporter, but your post, intended to be sarcasm, comes closer to reality. The Deep State is real and the CT is MSM denial of tthat fact. The CIA, MSM, and many long term government employees have developed committments and allegiances that don't automatically change just because the leadership changes. The CIA, for instance, has partnered with Big Corporate since the 'banana republics.' The MSM is loyal to the Capitalist demands of profit and the big spenders for commercial space are Big Money, ergo that is where influence lies, regardless of who is President. NeoCons operate in many Institutions to fund politicians and collect IOUs commensurate with their funding. That's just a touch of the Deep State. /
 
Mycroft said:
Did you miss this little, VERY IMPORTANT part?
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Why is that important? Do you think the FBI released a statement not agreed to by Wray? Has Wray disavowed this statement the department he heads released under the name of the FBI? If not, we can assume there is a 100% chance it is coming from Wray or was green lighted by him (same thing), given the attention this statement will receive.

Here's the full statement:

The FBI takes seriously its obligations to the FISA Court and its compliance with procedures overseen by career professionals in the Department of Justice and the FBI. We are committed to working with the appropriate oversight entities to ensure the continuing integrity of the FISA process.

With regard to the House Intelligence Committee's memorandum, the FBI was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it. As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy.
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JasperL said:
Why is that important? Do you think the FBI released a statement not agreed to by Wray? Has Wray disavowed this statement the department he heads released under the name of the FBI? If not, we can assume there is a 100% chance it is coming from Wray or was green lighted by him (same thing), given the attention this statement will receive.

Here's the full statement:
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I haven't seen Wray confirm OR deny this statement. I've seen nothing...except some Mainstream Media saying stuff...that indicates this actually came from anyone in the FBI. No names...as usual.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I've never made it my only defense to information I don't want to hear, which puts me at odds with so many who question anonymous source.

I question anonymous sources when the report flies in the face of commonly understood information. This was not one of those instances and the FBI has come out and said exactly what the OP posted.
Well, you're in luck then since the FBI released a statement which basically proves the OP accurate.

Aren't you happy now?
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What statement and what does it prove is accurate?
Sorry I'm not following you

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VanceMack said:
Yes...I know. We saw it when it was used yesterday and it was as blatantly obvious then as now. The left is already trying to do everything they can to de-legitimize the memo by mythically setting the terms on what it 'must be'. Very self serving.
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No, the right is doing every thing it can to de-legitimize the memo: they had Devin Nunes author it and refused to release the dissenting opinion (hence, they are only telling a part of the story).

The whole thing is a hoax only to provide smoke.

BTW... this whole issue is completely moot as, thanks to our Conservative friends, the standards to get a FISA wire tap are very low (below 4th amendment standards)....and, if a foreign party is a part of the call, you don't even need a warrant to wiretap.
 
Mycroft said:
I haven't seen Wray confirm OR deny this statement. I've seen nothing...except some Mainstream Media saying stuff...that indicates this actually came from anyone in the FBI. No names...as usual.
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LOL. The completely obvious fact is this statement is being reported on about 100 different media outlets. There is a zero percent (0.00%) chance it's bogus at this point. Wary has seen it reported, his phone lines are getting lit up about it, and he's had ample opportunity to disavow it.

You're ability to deny/ignore legitimately reported information when it says something you don't like is impressive, though! :lamo
 
upsideguy said:
No, the right is doing every thing it can to de-legitimize the memo: they had Devin Nunes author it and refuse to release the dissenting opinion. The whole thing is a hoax only to provide smoke.
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Woah...nice recitation of talking point # 7.

buuuuuut....since you havent the first ****ing clue as to what you are talking about...we'll just wait and see what is actually released.
 
Mycroft said:
Did you miss this little, VERY IMPORTANT part?
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Same as the WH does on occasion when releasing statemented. I am sure you are aware of that.
 
JasperL said:
LOL. The completely obvious fact is this statement is being reported on about 100 different media outlets. There is a zero percent (0.00%) chance it's bogus at this point. Wary has seen it reported, his phone lines are getting lit up about it, and he's had ample opportunity to disavow it.
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The Mainstream Media echo chamber is alive and well...but this, in no way, gives credence to something that doesn't have a name on it.

You're ability to deny/ignore legitimately reported information when it says something you don't like is impressive, though! :lamo
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shrug...

You are free to believe crap attributed to unnamed sources if you want. I'll pass.

#GiveMeAName
 
trouble13 said:
What statement and what does it prove is accurate?
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The FBI's statement regarding the GOP memo and it basically proves the OP accurate.

So are you happy now? You no longer have to rely on unnamed sources and you can now take to the bank the FBI does not fully approve of this memo.
 
Give me something from the FBI...something like this:



Nobody can dispute the fact that this is what Kelly said, can they?
 
Slyfox696 said:
The FBI's statement regarding the GOP memo and it basically proves the OP accurate.

So are you happy now? You no longer have to rely on unnamed sources and you can now take to the bank the FBI does not fully approve of this memo.
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Trump and his crowd of blind mice always go on about a witch hunt.

The only withch hint that is ongoing is the Republican Members of Congress, not all, Trump and his surrogates attacking the FBI, DOJ, Intelligence Agencies and now about to release the super duper Nunes Memo

Appears Republicans, some not all are stating this memo is bigger than Watergate. If and when it has been shown to have compromised Security, found to have named names ( as some news reports state), then debunked, these Members should resign. Which will not happen, but hopefully Nunes and his crew will be pilloried in the Press.
 
JasperL said:
Why is that important? Do you think the FBI released a statement not agreed to by Wray? Has Wray disavowed this statement the department he heads released under the name of the FBI? If not, we can assume there is a 100% chance it is coming from Wray or was green lighted by him (same thing), given the attention this statement will receive.

Here's the full statement:
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The statement isn't conclusive about the materials. They are objecting to them not be given an opprotunity to rebut the content. Justifying their objection using the ambiguous phrasing of grave concerns.

They are specifically characterizing the nature of their concerns so take that to mean anything from national security concerns to potentially embarrassing behavior by the fbi. It's pretty catch all wording

How would they know if there is anything to be gravely concerned about if they have not seen it. Sounds like they don't trust the WH to properly vet the memos.

Lastly considering Wray is the only one who has seen the memo and he has never served in the fbi and has not been in the DoJ since 2005 I'm not sure he alone is qualified to make that kind of determination after only being there about 6 months.



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Mycroft said:
Give me something from the FBI...something like this:



Nobody can dispute the fact that this is what Kelly said, can they?
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Ya don't always get what you want at this Restaurant. Now go play.
 
JANFU said:
Trump and his crowd of blind mice always go on about a witch hunt.

The only withch hint that is ongoing is the Republican Members of Congress, not all, Trump and his surrogates attacking the FBI, DOJ, Intelligence Agencies and now about to release the super duper Nunes Memo

Appears Republicans, some not all are stating this memo is bigger than Watergate. If and when it has been shown to have compromised Security, found to have named names ( as some news reports state), then debunked, these Members should resign. Which will not happen, but hopefully Nunes and his crew will be pilloried in the Press.
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Nunes is clearly nothing but a Trump shill in Congress. He has proven this time and again. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a report he's been on Trump's payroll.
 
Khayembii Communique said:


FBI Director Christopher Wray told the White House he opposes the release of a controversial, classified GOP memo alleging bias at the FBI and Justice Department because it contains inaccurate information and paints a false narrative, according to a person familiar with the matter.
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President Donald Trump was overheard Tuesday night telling a Republican lawmaker that he was “100 percent” planning to release the memo, which was written by staffers on the House Intelligence Committee and is aimed at raising questions about the validity of the investigation into possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia, now led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.​


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The FBI isn’t included in the inter-agency review process led by the White House aimed at deciding whether -- and how much of -- the memo can be made public following a vote Monday by the House Intelligence panel to release it. Wray was allowed to read the memo on Sunday.

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Just what the Democrats on the committee said. Hmm. I wonder what the right wing spin on this is going to be. Is Wray the next McCabe? Or is this just fake news?
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The Republican DOJ and FBI have already told the entire country that the memo is inaccurate, yet Republicans want to present partisan trash to the world to undermine Mueller's investigation and please the president. And the base will eat it out of his ass. This is truly much, much lower even than politics.
 
JANFU said:
Ya don't always get what you want at this Restaurant. Now go play.
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LOL!!

At THIS restaurant, I rarely get anything other than unnamed sources and nothingburgers.
 
Slyfox696 said:
The FBI's statement regarding the GOP memo and it basically proves the OP accurate.

So are you happy now? You no longer have to rely on unnamed sources and you can now take to the bank the FBI does not fully approve of this memo.
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They are objecting to not having an opprotunity to vet the memo

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