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White House says there’s no need for new Russia sanctions

Kal'Stang said:
1: It should be noted that these are "secondary sanctions" that are being discussed. The main ones are in place and being enforced as far as I know. Do any of you have evidence to the contrary? And what does the law have to say in regards to these secondary sanctions? Were they supposed to be implemented no matter what? Or was there discretion allowed?

2: Here comes a whataboutism ;): So, when Obama chose to not enforce immigration law and enacted an EO that gave us DACA and DAPA what were your stances? Executive privilege on what to enforce and what not to enforce? Or were you for enforcement of the full law and was against Obama's DACA and DAPA EO's?
For the record my stance on both is the same. Enforce the law as passed by the legislative branch and signed by the President.
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We all appreciate you flagging the "whataboutism" for what it is. In this case, however, its a fail. You imply that Obama failed to enforce immigration laws. That is not true. In fact, he aggressively pursued ICE. More people were deported during the Obama years than during any other presidency.

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News



The DACA issue is a subset of this.... ICE has limited resources and thus there is a priority to how it is used. The DACA population has always been a low to non-priority for ICE. His wanting that policy formalized does not detract from the fact Obama was an aggressive ICE president.

So, in this case, "whatabout Obama" is not an argument.
 
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Cardinal said:
We were all wondering how grudgingly Trump would implement a veto-proof majority bill to create new Russian sanctions. I guess one response most of us weren't expecting as the deadline finally arrived was, "No."

And so today I'm on the cusp of learning yet another lesson in American civics: The President can do that?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f459ca-052a-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html
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one for sure , the golden shower videotape exists and in the hands of KGB
 
Cardinal said:
We were all wondering how grudgingly Trump would implement a veto-proof majority bill to create new Russian sanctions. I guess one response most of us weren't expecting as the deadline finally arrived was, "No."

And so today I'm on the cusp of learning yet another lesson in American civics: The President can do that?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f459ca-052a-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html
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Sanctions don't work anyway. We need to find out how to stop Russia on our own. Bullying them will not stop them.
 
Litwin said:
one for sure , the golden shower videotape exists and in the hands of KGB
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Juuuust in case you're not being sarcastic, even if there was literally a tape of hookers peeing on him, do you honestly believe that would be the thing that would take him down?

I don't know you yet, so I have no way of knowing if you're joking or not.
 
Cardinal said:
Juuuust in case you're not being sarcastic, even if there was literally a tape of hookers peeing on him, do you honestly believe that would be the thing that would take him down?

I don't know you yet, so I have no way of knowing if you're joking or not.
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Believe me, he's not joking. You look like a far rightie compared to Litwin.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sanctions don't work anyway. We need to find out how to stop Russia on our own. Bullying them will not stop them.
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Sanctions mattered enough to Putin to cause him to have Veselnitskaya schedule a meeting with the Trump family to trade dirt on Clinton in return for ending the Magnitsky act, so objectively speaking, sanctions work.
 
Cardinal said:
Juuuust in case you're not being sarcastic, even if there was literally a tape of hookers peeing on him, do you honestly believe that would be the thing that would take him down?

I don't know you yet, so I have no way of knowing if you're joking or not.
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I am not "sarcastic" at all , yes in a puritan country such tape can put anyone down ...
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can you give another (a better ) logical exploitation to whats going on between Punia and Trump ?
 
Litwin said:
I am not "sarcastic" at all , yes in a puritan country such tape can put anyone down ...
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can you give another (a better ) logical exploitation to whats going on between Punia and Trump ?
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Money laundering. Trump is a populist President. Such a President could be taken down because of criminal acts, but not because of your standard-fare scandal. What happened when it came out that he had an affair with a strip dancer? Did that end his Presidency, or is he still sitting in the White House?

Before you respond, read this first:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL!! Most of your fellow lefties don't even believe that.
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i am more like centrist , but still do you have a better idea, what trump is so obsessed with saving Punia from the Hague ?

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Moderate Right said:
Sanctions don't work anyway. We need to find out how to stop Russia on our own. Bullying them will not stop them.
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What's your solution, Moderate Right? How do we stop the Russians?
 
Cardinal said:
Money laundering. Trump is a populist President. Such a President could be taken down because of criminal acts, but not because of your standard-fare scandal. What happened when it came out that he had an affair with a strip dancer? Did that end his Presidency, or is he still sitting in the White House?

Before you respond, read this first:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism
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Trump is not a Populist he is a Sadopopulist


"Timothy Snyder is a historian and professor at Yale Universit: Sadopopulism: how America can be governed without policy and with pain. A guide to the logic of the Senate tax plan."


ps still your post is good
 
Cardinal said:
Sanctions mattered enough to Putin to cause him to have Veselnitskaya schedule a meeting with the Trump family to trade dirt on Clinton in return for ending the Magnitsky act, so objectively speaking, sanctions work.
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Well, that's connecting a whole lot of dots. Do you know the best way we could fight Russian election meddling? Ignore them and make them think what they're doing isn't working. Before Trump even became the nominee our government was telling us that Russia wanted to undermine our democracy. They tried their best to help get Trump elected, knowing that the left would become unhinged about the election process and getting us all fighting amongst ourselves. And what happened? Exactly what Russia wanted! You're playing right into their hands, giving them exactly what they were after. Why don't you lefties not fall for their game plan hook, line and sinker and then they will realize that what they are doing doesn't undermine our democracy at all?
 
Litwin said:
one for sure , the golden shower videotape exists and in the hands of KGB
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Funny you said that.

I mean it wasn't but a day or so that a Russian just damn near side swipes on of our military planes coming within feet.

Yet, Trump still trembles at holding Russia accountable.

I was thinking that perhaps Putin was just sending Trump a message reminding him that he STILL has photos of the Russian whores pissing in Trump's face so there is nothing Trump can do about anything. Trump appears to be Putin's little bitch. :lamo
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, that's connecting a whole lot of dots. Do you know the best way we could fight Russian election meddling? Ignore them and make them think what they're doing isn't working. Before Trump even became the nominee our government was telling us that Russia wanted to undermine our democracy. They tried their best to help get Trump elected, knowing that the left would become unhinged about the election process and getting us all fighting amongst ourselves. And what happened? Exactly what Russia wanted! You're playing right into their hands, giving them exactly what they were after. Why don't you lefties not fall for their game plan hook, line and sinker and then they will realize that what they are doing doesn't undermine our democracy at all?
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That's not a lot of dots. That's literally two dots.
 
Litwin said:
i am more like centrist , but still do you have a better idea, what trump is so obsessed with saving Punia from the Hague ?

Vladimir-Putin-in-Prison-118266.jpg
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You post a picture like that and you want people to seriously think you are a centrist?
 
Captain America said:
Funny you said that.

I mean it wasn't but a day or so that a Russian just damn near side swipes on of our military planes coming within feet.

Yet, Trump still trembles at holding Russia accountable.

I was thinking Putin was sending Trump a message that he STILL has photos of the Russian whores pissing in Trump's face and there is nothing Trump can do about anything. :lamo
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LOL, but its not that funny for the Free world (((
 
Cardinal said:
Juuuust in case you're not being sarcastic, even if there was literally a tape of hookers peeing on him, do you honestly believe that would be the thing that would take him down?

I don't know you yet, so I have no way of knowing if you're joking or not.
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My opinion of Trump is so low it might actually be improved if he literally had hookers pee on him.
 
Moderate Right said:
You post a picture like that and you want people to seriously think you are a centrist?
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yes, and I am militant freedom fighter like my man T. Kasciuska , and hate the oriental tyrants like Punia with all my heart . i could be left , right , center etc.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
What's your solution, Moderate Right? How do we stop the Russians?
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We stop them by figuring out a way not to be hacked. We are in some serious trouble if we can't figure out how to stop Russia, China, North Korea, and criminals in general from hacking into every system we've got. They've already hacked into the Pentagon and the IRS (just to name two), and have attempted to hack into our utility grid, and have stolen millions of dollars and spread viruses of all kinds. This is our top priority. We have to do it. This is not an option. On top of that we need to pass laws clamping down on social media. This is how we need to stop them, not by slapping them on the wrist. That's not going to work.
 
Litwin said:
yes, and I am militant freedom fighter like my man T. Kasciuska , and hate the oriental tyrants like Punia with all my heart . i could be left , right , center etc.
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You just called yourself a centrist a little bit ago. Now you are a chameleon. You expect people to take you seriously when you can't even put forth a sentence that makes sense?
 
Moderate Right said:
We stop them by figuring out a way not to be hacked. We are in some serious trouble if we can't figure out how to stop Russia, China, North Korea, and criminals in general from hacking into every system we've got. They've already hacked into the Pentagon and the IRS (just to name two), and have attempted to hack into our utility grid, and have stolen millions of dollars and spread viruses of all kinds. This is our top priority. We have to do it. This is not an option. On top of that we need to pass laws clamping down on social media. This is how we need to stop them, not by slapping them on the wrist. That's not going to work.
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Tell Trump. He doesn't believe Russia did any hacking.
 
Moderate Right said:
You just called yourself a centrist a little bit ago. Now you are a chameleon. You expect people to take you seriously when you can't even put forth a sentence that makes sense?
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i am centrist , but this case is not about left or right, its about are you ready to stand for democracy and your country or you are a traitor /Putin´s useful idiot, like Oliver stone, Trump , etc.

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Oliver Stone Defines Useful Idiot in ‘The Putin Interviews’
After four hours, you’ll wish Vlad was your president

https://warisboring.com/oliver-stone-defines-useful-idiot-in-the-putin-interviews/



LOL))
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