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GOP has scheduled a vote on a 20-week abortion ban on Monday

JoeTrumps said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-tees-up-vote-on-20-week-abortion-ban/ar-AAv8A9g

Abortion are illegal in the following countries:

Finland: after 12 weeks
Denmark: 12 Weeks
Sweden: 18 weeks
Norway: 18 weeks.

Suddenly we don’t want to be like Europe anymore? What happened
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Yep, when things aren't going well, break out an abortion bill to show the base we are doing our job. After that, a bill to make all FBI agents report on who they vote for.
 
JoeTrumps said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-tees-up-vote-on-20-week-abortion-ban/ar-AAv8A9g

Abortion are illegal in the following countries:

Finland: after 12 weeks
Denmark: 12 Weeks
Sweden: 18 weeks
Norway: 18 weeks.

Suddenly we don’t want to be like Europe anymore? What happened
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Countries where abortion is mainly illegal. Since when did conservatives want to be like Iran, Saudia Arabia, and Nigeria?
Nigeria Allowed only to save a woman's life and in some cases health
Iran Allowed only to save a woman's life
Saudi Arabia Allowed only to save a woman's life or health, requires spouse/parental approval
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As long as there are exceptions for medical necessity where the mother's life is at risk, I'd be OK with that. Most abortions occur long before that,
 
trblmkr said:
Yep, when things aren't going well, break out an abortion bill to show the base we are doing our job. After that, a bill to make all FBI agents report on who they vote for.
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It's ridiculous how the base fall for it over and over and over again.
 
Wow, the publicly displayed stupidity of Republican representatives. Blindly following...what exactly? Dogmatic, ideologically-borne lies?

"Now Congress has an opportunity to take a step forward. ... I'm pleased to have filed cloture on this bill to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain. ... And I look forward to voting for it early next week," McConnell said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-tees-up-vote-on-20-week-abortion-ban/ar-AAv8A9g
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From the depths of stupidity and blind, rigid bias, comes more wasted govt officials' time and taxapayer $...Republicans bring you more useless, feel-good legislation.

a) the unborn do not feel pain at 20 weeks

b) even if they did, there is no reason they would need to feel any pain during an abortion: anesthetic injection is available. (Jeebus people this isnt rocket science! Medical technology doesnt just disappear during an abortion :doh)

c) elective abortions dont even take place after 20 weeks. If someone has current data on those numbers, I'd like to see them.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Suddenly we don’t want to be like Europe anymore? What happened
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Who said we should have all the laws a European country should have?

Which country was that?

Why should everyone you choose to put in the same political categories of the person who said #1 be answerable for what that person said?





Perhaps you thought that post was clever, but it was dishonest in the dumbest possible sense....
 
I personally think either parent should have the right to abort up until the fetus's 18th year. Then the brat is on its own.

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My post is going to be a bit nuanced. Yes, I am in favor of Roe V. Wade, but I don't think a ban at 20 weeks is unreasonable. After all, those involved have a lot of time to make up their minds as to what they want to do. If they can't make it up by then, then she should have to go ahead and carry the fetus to term. However, if the woman's life or health are at risk, then the 20 week rule should not apply.
 
They don't have time to pass chips to protect children already here but they have time to write an abortion bill.
They don't have time to write a budget but they had time to write this?
They don't have time to write a bill on disaster funding but they have time for this?

Just ****ing disgusting!

Just makes me more focused get these ****ers out of office!
 
JoeTrumps said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-tees-up-vote-on-20-week-abortion-ban/ar-AAv8A9g

Abortion are illegal in the following countries:

Finland: after 12 weeks
Denmark: 12 Weeks
Sweden: 18 weeks
Norway: 18 weeks.

Suddenly we don’t want to be like Europe anymore? What happened
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Give us the Scandinavian universal Health care system where abortions are safe and free to all and we will talk about "being like Europe" in other ways too. BTW the 18 weeks is only the cut off point for elective abortions and doctors can request later dates for other reasons. They also embrace the 21st week as a date for viability.

The current legislation is the Abortion Act of 1974 (SFS 1974:595). This states that up until the end of the eighteenth week of the pregnancy, the choice of an abortion is entirely up to the woman, for any reason whatsoever. After the 18th, a woman needs a permission from the National Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen) to have an abortion. Permission for these late abortions is usually granted for cases in which the fetus or mother are unhealthy. Abortion is not allowed if the fetus is viable, which generally means that abortions after the 22nd week are not allowed. However, abortions after the 22nd week may be allowed in the rare cases where the fetus can not survive outside the womb even if it is carried to term.[3][4]
 
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Abortion after 20 weeks is wrong to me, but I guess everyone has their own set of morals.
 
If it's an elective abortion the woman needs to make that decision long before 20 weeks.

How come fathers don't have a say in abortions?
 
The Dems are treating abortion like the Republicans treat gun control. The stance in both cases is “if we give an inch, they will take a mile.” And I tend to think in both cases they are right.

If we didn’t have a party that wanted to take away the right altogether then a 20 week ban likely wouldn’t get as much push back.
 
JoeTrumps said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-tees-up-vote-on-20-week-abortion-ban/ar-AAv8A9g

Abortion are illegal in the following countries:

Finland: after 12 weeks
Denmark: 12 Weeks
Sweden: 18 weeks
Norway: 18 weeks.

Suddenly we don’t want to be like Europe anymore? What happened
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The US is not like European countries that allows abortions for major fetal abnormalies.
Most states do NOT and this law does NOT allow abortions up to 24 weeks for fetal abnormalities.

As Lursa said...
Lursa said:
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c) elective abortions dont even take place after 20 weeks. If someone has current data on those numbers, I'd like to see them.
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From a 2013 article:
Published: May 21, 2013
A federal appellate panel struck down Arizona’s abortion law on Tuesday, saying it was unconstitutional “under a long line of invariant Supreme Court precedents” that guarantee a woman’s right to end a pregnancy any time before a fetus is deemed viable outside her womb — generally at 24 weeks.

The law, enacted in April 2012 despite vociferous protest by women’s and civil rights groups, made abortions illegal if performed 20 weeks after a woman’s last menstrual period, or roughly 18 weeks after fertilization, even if the woman learned that the fetus had no chance of surviving after birth.

At 18 weeks, many fetal abnormalities can be detected through sonograms.
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Arizona?s Ban on Abortions Struck Down in Federal Court - The New York Times
 
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iguanaman said:
Give us the Scandinavian universal Health care system where abortions are safe and free to all and we will talk about "being like Europe" in other ways too. BTW the 18 weeks is only the cut off point for elective abortions and doctors can request later dates for other reasons. They also embrace the 21st week as a date for viability.

The current legislation is the Abortion Act of 1974 (SFS 1974:595). This states that up until the end of the eighteenth week of the pregnancy, the choice of an abortion is entirely up to the woman, for any reason whatsoever. After the 18th, a woman needs a permission from the National Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen) to have an abortion. Permission for these late abortions is usually granted for cases in which the fetus or mother are unhealthy. Abortion is not allowed if the fetus is viable, which generally means that abortions after the 22nd week are not allowed. However, abortions after the 22nd week may be allowed in the rare cases where the fetus can not survive outside the womb even if it is carried to term.[3][4]
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danarhea said:
My post is going to be a bit nuanced. Yes, I am in favor of Roe V. Wade, but I don't think a ban at 20 weeks is unreasonable. After all, those involved have a lot of time to make up their minds as to what they want to do. If they can't make it up by then, then she should have to go ahead and carry the fetus to term. However, if the woman's life or health are at risk, then the 20 week rule should not apply.
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They are basing that timeframe on fetal pain, which is irrelevant for the reasons that I posted. So it's based on a lie.

And also, women dont have elective abortions that late, so again, it's useless, feel-good legislation. No one will be stopping medically-necessary abortions in any timeframe.
 
JoeTrumps said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-tees-up-vote-on-20-week-abortion-ban/ar-AAv8A9g

Abortion are illegal in the following countries:

Finland: after 12 weeks
Denmark: 12 Weeks
Sweden: 18 weeks
Norway: 18 weeks.

Suddenly we don’t want to be like Europe anymore? What happened
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In Sweden, abortion is on-demand until the 18th week. After that, permission is needed from the Socialstyrelsen, but are not illegal. In fact, abortions are legal in Sweden throughout a pregnancy, under certain conditions including non-viability.

I didn't bother debunking the rest of your falsehoods.
 
Soopairik said:
Abortion after 20 weeks is wrong to me, but I guess everyone has their own set of morals.
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What criteria caused you to select 20 weeks?
 
I'm at a bit of a loss, here.

Is abortion-on-demand available after 20 weeks, in the States? I've never heard of it.
 
Middle_Ground said:
They don't have time to pass chips to protect children already here but they have time to write an abortion bill.
They don't have time to write a budget but they had time to write this?
They don't have time to write a bill on disaster funding but they have time for this?

Just ****ing disgusting!

Just makes me more focused get these ****ers out of office!
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Fair point.

Especially considering I haven't heard of abortion-on-demand available in America after 20 weeks? I seem to recall perhaps 24 weeks, a long time ago.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm at a bit of a loss, here.

Is abortion-on-demand available after 20 weeks, in the States? I've never heard of it.
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31 states + DC allow abortion on demand after 20 weeks
 
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