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Afghan province awards Trump bravery medal

MSgt said:
If he actually stated that "we" are Nazis then I have to consider his ignorance of the word and cast him aside. But what does that have to do with denigrating the military?



What does that have to do with denigrating the military?



I don't see the facts in this. It's the same thing Trump was just accused of recently in which there really is no "facts" to it. But I also still do not see a denigration of the military.

There is no getting around or rationalizing what Trump declared.
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Durbin actually apologized so your rationalization isn't needed.

Durbin Apologizes for Remarks on Abuse


You'd vote for someone who thinks you are a nazi or act like one?

When he said "We" you really think he was talking about non military?



You don't "See the facts" in the navy seal story? unlike most trump stories the source is named, and it's a first hand account.


Hillary suggesting that the VA scandal was "overblown" has no affect on veterans? Should that mindset have won?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Thank you for your service.


I bet you voted for hillary who said the VA wasn't a big scandal

Or biden who insulted a navy seal.

I bet if dick durbin runs, you'd vote for him no problem. He thinks you acted like a nazi.
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When did Biden insult a navy seal?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I linked to it.


Go fish.
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Oh ok. Found the link. He never actually insulted anyone. He's a monster because he tried to empathise with the families by saying he knows what it's like to get a phone call about the death of a loved one because he got one for his wife and daughter that died in a car crash. Good job attacking him for it.

I'm gonna just ignore the rest of your blather. Have a great day.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Oh ok. Found the link. He never actually insulted anyone. He's a monster because he tried to empathise with the families by saying he knows what it's like to get a phone call about the death of a loved one because he got one for his wife and daughter that died in a car crash. Good job attacking him for it.

I'm gonna just ignore the rest of your blather. Have a great day.
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Don't let the door hit ya! :thumbs:
 
Praxas said:
Actually th thread has to do with "bravery" which I also assigned Trump's draft dogging. Tell you what, if you don't like what I have to say you can either use that cute little report button or go pound sand. How about that, I blackjacked the blackjack :lamo
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So basically...you won’t to be dishonest and avoid the topic of discussion because you are afraid you may have to say something positive about trump. That’s ok. I can’t control you. I certainly can’t turn a lying ***** into an upstanding honest person whose political opinions are actually backed by at the bare minimum a sense of duty, honor, and honesty about reality. I mean...hey...there is an anti trump person here who did admit that this was a step in the right direction. But don’t worry. I can’t make you acknowledge that reality. You can carry on with your attempts to avoid discussions topics because it requires being honest about tump even if you hate him.
 
MSgt said:
I am. It's one of the major reasons I refuse to support a man who denigrated Vietnam Veterans, POWs of all wars, and then later callously turned a solemn occasion to honor World War II Veterans of the Pacific into an event to take a cultural jab at a rival politician.
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Same here:applaud
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I remember when clinton ran they praised his draft dodging, it was a badge of honor to them. Then with bush they didn't like how he served, to now doing a 180 and slamming trump who legally got defferments,
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Oh but of course. This is all just a distraction from the OP anyway. They don’t want to discuss the actual foreign policy of trump. It scares them to acknowledge that he is capable of making steps in the right direction. Which is infinitely hilarious.
 
blackjack50 said:
Legitimate question or are you afraid to discuss the topic?
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I'm not afraid to discuss the topic. What is the importance of it (not to mention that the OP wasn't a link from the MSM).

A province in Afghan gave him some award that is about as relevant as Obama getting the Peace Prize. Our allies in Europe are repulsed by Trump and have been disassociating from him for the last few months.

I guess I'm more concerned about our relations with our allies and calling him out from wrecking them than I am for orgasming over some award from....a province in Afghan.
 
blackjack50 said:
Oh but of course. This is all just a distraction from the OP anyway. They don’t want to discuss the actual foreign policy of trump. It scares them to acknowledge that he is capable of making steps in the right direction. Which is infinitely hilarious.
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That's true, he changed the ROE which helped change the game, almost nothing on it. instead we have threads on trump sitting at a desk, or if he said "I" or "i'd".
 
blackjack50 said:
And and? Do you have a problem with his foreign policy that resulted in this?
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Don't make that mistake. This isn't Foreign Policy. This is a haphazard application that needs defined into Foreign Policy. Trump has extended this to the Palestinian Authority. But this behavior is only selective for the moment and smacks of Obama's "wait-and-see" policy. In other words, Obama's Foreign Policy was defined in a way that relied upon each individual country to determine how the U.S. behaved. This left us behaving very contradictory and legitimized the perspective of our hypocrisy.

Trump's National Security Strategy borrows a lot from former Presidents. What makes it largely different is that it tries to reconcile his "America First" ideology with the mutual interests of our Allies. This makes it different in three major ways:

1) Unlike former administrations, which described China and Russia separately as seeking to undermine, Trump lumped them together and it risks pushing Russia and China closer together in that goal.

2) The document significantly downgrades the priority it attaches to issues of importance to America’s democratic allies and partners. Global Warming is described as an economic issue rather than a strategic issue, thus removing America from the ideological aspect of the occurrence. This is about the "America First" slogan.

3) All Presidents have given legitimacy to their Foreign Policies through complimentary speeches. Trump's Twattage and speeches contradicts. There are many examples. Here are some: (A) The document explains at length how Russia is undermining American and European security, yet Trump has expressly avoided criticism of Russia in his statements dating back to the campaign. (B) The document expresses many ways in which the United States benefits from strong ties with its democratic allies, yet Trump verbally emphasizes far more how Europe free-rides off American security assistance. (C) The document suggests up front on an interpretation of "principled realism" that prizes strong ties with countries that share U.S. values, whereas Trump’s verbal words and actions often imply a greater natural affinity for dictators and strongmen than democratic allies. His criticism generally focuses on only our allies while his support for enemies (Putin) appears to be about strengthening ties.

This is Trump's Foreign Policy. There is plenty of contradiction between what is written and what Trump expresses. It is inconsistent and leaves even our diplomats abroad wondering. But nowhere is it mentioned about a refocus on the conditions of our financial aid. Because of Pakistan and now the Palestinian Authority, our Foreign Policy may or may not be developing into the Cold War tactics of old where we used our "aid" to command influence and behavior. We even extended this to our allies (France, Britain, and Israel) under Eisenhower when they misbehaved. I'm fine with that. Our money should come with a price. But it has to be clearly stated and not be applied haphazardly. Strength versus frailty. If Pakistan needs to straighten up, then so does Saudi Arabia.
 
blackjack50 said:
What does draft dodging have to do with the OP regarding foreign policy? Seems you don’t want to discuss his foreign policy. Why?
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tres borrachos said:
I'm not afraid to discuss the topic. What is the importance of it (not to mention that the OP wasn't a link from the MSM).

A province in Afghan gave him some award that is about as relevant as Obama getting the Peace Prize. Our allies in Europe are repulsed by Trump and have been disassociating from him for the last few months.
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Bully for Europe. Those blow hards are only relevant because their people buy our products. They leach off our military too. It isn’t like they are a threat to our national security either. I mean seriously...what foreign policy concerns should we actually have for Europe? Pro business that benefits America first. That’s it I mean sure...if they have a problem...it will be up to us to solve it for them because history has shown Europe to be pretty incapable of handing themselves. But on a foreign policy level? Meh. Woo pity do.

I guess I'm more concerned about our relations with our allies and calling him out from wrecking them than I am for orgasming over some award from....a province in Afghan.
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Then you aren’t really paying attention to how our relations work with them. Our foreign policy with Europe is better negotiated in a corporate board room. Face it man...we are economically the most important nation on the planet. They have to make sure they maintain relationships with us...not the other way around.
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And nations like Afghanistan? Sure. They don’t matter Econmically speaking, but we have had issues with terrorism. And it IS in the president’s job description to handle foreign policy. It is arguably his MOST important duty. And this topic is about the positive feed back regarding a policy position on the Pakistanis who were not keeping up on their end of the bargain. Honestly? I wouldn’t provide military support or equipment to any nation other than Western Europe (and choice easterns), South Korea, Australia, and japan. But that’s another issue.
 
blackjack50 said:
Bully for Europe. Those blow hards are only relevant because their people buy our products. They leach off our military too. It isn’t like they are a threat to our national security either. I mean seriously...what foreign policy concerns should we actually have for Europe? Pro business that benefits America first. That’s it I mean sure...if they have a problem...it will be up to us to solve it for them because history has shown Europe to be pretty incapable of handing themselves. But on a foreign policy level? Meh. Woo pity do.



Then you aren’t really paying attention to how our relations work with them. Our foreign policy with Europe is better negotiated in a corporate board room. Face it man...we are economically the most important nation on the planet. They have to make sure they maintain relationships with us...not the other way around.
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And nations like Afghanistan? Sure. They don’t matter Econmically speaking, but we have had issues with terrorism. And it IS in the president’s job description to handle foreign policy. It is arguably his MOST important duty. And this topic is about the positive feed back regarding a policy position on the Pakistanis who were not keeping up on their end of the bargain. Honestly? I wouldn’t provide military support or equipment to any nation other than Western Europe (and choice easterns), South Korea, Australia, and japan. But that’s another issue.
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Ah, I understand. You only care about relations with Afghan, not our allies. That explains your posts.
 
tres borrachos said:
Ah, I understand. You only care about relations with Afghan, not our allies. That explains your posts.
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Sort of. I don’t believe in managing things that will sort themselves out. That is an absolute waste of time. Pakistan taking our money and technology and using it to fund terrorism? Not so much.

I mean honestly...what do you think Europe is going to do? Not trade with America? Go to war? They can only hurt us by getting themselves into another cluster**** like The first and second world wars. Russia excluded of course. But I assume you were intelligent enough to assume that. Russia is someone we need to keep a foreign policy eye on. And how they relate to Europe for sure.
 
blackjack50 said:
So what did the left do to stop Bush? What did Obama do? Seems like Trumps admin is interested in putting up a persons of not taking ****. Even if it is all talk...it certainly is better than what the Democrats do.
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You see? This is exactly why everything is a mess. It is simple:

- Pakistan supported the Taliban in the 1990s when Russia, India, and Iran was supporting Massoud against the Taliban, while the U.S. kept giving financial aid to Pakistan (Clinton).
- Pakistan provided a border shield to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda since 9/11 (Bush).
- Pakistan provided a border shield to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda since 9/11 (Obama).

There is no "look what the left did." We politicize everything to the point that we can't even see straight through to the damn facts of the matter. Underneath these Presidents is a system of tradition that avoids the development of issues simply because we prefer to cling to preconceived notions of who is supposed to be who and we politicize that garbage against one another. Trump's recent act against Pakistan (and the Palestinian Authority) is haphazard and not defined in Foreign Policy. If he wishes to go this route, he has to define it so that it provides the world and our own diplomats with consistent instructions. In other words, if it is a matter of concrete Policy, Pakistan (and the Palestinian Authority) must serve as a clear example for the rest so that the rest fall easier in line.

blackjack50 said:
Heck...there was a Democrat in office when the twin towers were bombed the first time. When it comes to foreign policy...the world knows Democrats are ******s.
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This is and has always been contradictory to the history. It's a false ideology:

- It was Kennedy who doubled down in Vietnam (D) with advisers and it was Johnson (D) that blew open the door with the Draft. Nixon (R) tried to bomb our way to a "Peace with Honor." All three wanted to find a way out without looking weak against communism and without being the first to "lose" a war.

- It was George H. W. Bush (R) that attacked Iraq and then handed off Somalia and Bosnia to Clinton (D). It was Clinton that not only bombed Kosovo, but tried in vain to impress on people that the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and Osama Bin Laden were threats. Despite being far too busy with his sexual misconduct, the CIA finally agreed in 2000 and began a plan with Iran to fund and supply Massoud.

- It was George W. Bush (R) who attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. It was Obama (D) who expanded drone attacks throughout the region and eventually led the bombing campaign in Libya. Obama later offered assistance to Syrian rebels, before urging local fighters in Iraq and Syria to organize against the Islamic State (IS).

The perspective that "Democrats are ******s" charge has always hinged on the idea that Truman (D) "lost China" in 1949 and Carter's (D) stupid and hypocritical Foreign Policy to give the world a big hug. Speaking of, his written Foreign Policy included playing hard ball with our money against foreign regimes that denied human rights. However, he also turned around and verbally praised the Shah of Iran as a great friend to the American people months before the Islamic Revolution kicked off. So when it comes to Trump "not taking ****" in regards to our financial aid, it appears to me that he is playing the same hypocritical Carter game, only with a dickish posture.

The world know that we are more concerned with our internal political games than applying consistent Foreign Policy.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Not surprised. Neither was obama, but you all didn't seem to care.
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you have ****ed up this thread three times now; this thread aint about me, nor Dick Durbin, nor Obama

this thread is about Private Bone Spur .................. please pay attention, if at all possible ..........
 
cuban smokes said:
you have ****ed up this thread three times now; this thread aint about me, nor Dick Durbin, nor Obama

this thread is about Private Bone Spur .................. please pay attention, if at all possible ..........
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Compose yourself, tantrums are not needed here. You can whine about people not serving, but when you yourself haven't nor your heros, it's taken with a grain of salt.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Durbin actually apologized so your rationalization isn't needed.

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Oh that...from 2005. There was no rationalization on my part. I just didn't realize you were going twelve years into the past to rationalize Trump's election.

ReverendHellh0und said:
You'd vote for someone who thinks you are a nazi or act like one?
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No. He denigrated the military. His apology means nothing. I wouldn't mind seeing a Trump apology though.

ReverendHellh0und said:
When he said "We" you really think he was talking about non military?
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Like I stated, this was back in 2005. When did he run for President? I'm sure I didn't vote for him.

ReverendHellh0und said:
You don't "See the facts" in the navy seal story? unlike most trump stories the source is named, and it's a first hand account.
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The source is named in the Trump thing too. Her name is Myeshia Johnson, the wife of the dead soldier in Nigeria. These supposed he-said-she-said "facts" aren't exactly a Durban 2005 fact, nor a Trump 2016 fact. But Durban did have enough integrity to own his fact, didn't he? In Trump we saw denigration and a lack of integrity to own it. I didn't vote for Trump and would not have voted for Durban.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Hillary suggesting that the VA scandal was "overblown" has no affect on veterans?
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No. It has nothing to do with denigrating veterans and it changed nothing about the VA's ongoing issues.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Compose yourself, tantrums are not needed here. You can whine about people not serving, but when you yourself haven't nor your heros, it's taken with a grain of salt.
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Tantrums? You are the one SCREAMING about every Goddamn thing except what the thread is actually about ................

I am not POTUS, I did not obtain five deferments for nonexistent bone spurs like Private Bone Spur did to wiggle his way out of serving in the US military, I did not join the US military because it was my choice to do so, or not to do so, my only heroes are my late Mother & my late Father that was drafted into the US Army before he graduated high school & fought in WWII ............

Now, maybe you could stop derailing the thread .......................... prolly not .............
 
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