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GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham rips into White House for Trump's change on immigration deal

bubbabgone said:
heh heh.
Yes I do, my friend.
And you shouldn't swear.

That's what I said ... there was no bill to sign.
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There was no bill, but what that poster said was right. Do you not know why they went to the White House that day?
 
Rogue Valley said:
GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham rips into White House for Trump's change on immigration deal



In Sen. Graham's view, Trump reneged on the bipartisan immigration deal primarily due to the machinations of Stephen Miller, Donald Trump's senior adviser for policy. Miller's views on immigration are identical to the far Alt-right.

Related: Stephen Miller to Blame for Trump's Lack of Immigration, DACA Reform, Republicans Say
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Another dumb attempt to link Trump to "alt right" racists and nazis.


You do realize the plan left out the wall which he said all along was a deal breaker.


but keep getting spoonfed....
 
robertblake60 said:
You understand that before a several hundred page bill is written, that legislators discuss and present a 'bullet pointed' summary of what the bill would entail. If the president or congresspeople can't even agree on the framework of what a bill would look like, then there is no point in writing the bill.

I swear, it sounds like you have no idea how things work in the world.
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That crowd is about 50/50, I think. Half of them heard Fox News say there was no bill to sign and like the obedient parrots they are, they repeat it. If only they were as smart as parrots. The other half are playing a game with semantics and messing with us just because that's how they extract joy from life.
 
tres borrachos said:
God help us all if there are two assholes in the White House. One (Miller) is bad enough.
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Then perhaps the best way to get rid of Stephen Miller and John Kelly is to make trump fire them.

And the best way to do that is convince trump that he is being undermined.

Trump has increasingly been chafing at the media narrative that he needs Kelly to instill discipline on his freewheeling management style. “The more Kelly plays up that he’s being the adult in the room—that it’s basically combat duty and he’s serving the country—that kind of thing drives Trump nuts,” a Republican close to the White House said. In recent days, Trump has fumed to friends that Kelly acts like he’s running the government while Trump tweets and watches television. “I’ve got another nut job here who thinks he’s running things,” Trump told one friend, according to a Republican briefed on the call. A second source confirmed that Trump has vented about Kelly, mentioning one call in which Trump said, “This guy thinks he’s running the show.” (A White House official said “it’s categorically false that Trump is unhappy with Kelly. “He’s only ever referred to him as the general, tough, can be rough, and commands respect.)
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/are-trump-and-kelly-heading-for-divorce?mbid=social_twitter
 
robertblake60 said:
There wasn't a bill because the president refused to sign it (a bill that would, when written, include the items in the bipartisan agreement that was presented to him).


This is a stupid point to be fixated on.
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Stupid is as stupid does.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Then perhaps the best way to get rid of Stephen Miller and John Kelly is to make trump fire them.

And the best way to do that is convince trump that he is being undermined.



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/are-trump-and-kelly-heading-for-divorce?mbid=social_twitter
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He should absolutely fire that heinous Miller. I'm not as convinced on Kelly but I think Kelly may leave on his own accord at some point. Can you imagine having the job of babysitting the unruly Trump, who alternates between watching Fox & Friends and reading Playboy between sending Tweets?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Another dumb attempt to link Trump to "alt right" racists and nazis.


You do realize the plan left out the wall which he said all along was a deal breaker.


but keep getting spoonfed....
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Attempt to link the president to the alt-right? He hired them.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
There was no bill for him to sign because he rejected the framework to write the bill.
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You are 100% correct.

Anyone who has ever worked in business (not the cash register in McDonalds) knows you go to your management before spending months putting together a business case to make sure you have buy in before doing the work. When Graham and Durbin presented Trump with their framework, he rejected it, and as a result, they didn't even bother crafting a bill - which is what any smart person would have done.

I think people need to turn off Hannity. He's rotting brains all over the place.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
There was no bill for him to sign because he rejected the framework to write the bill.
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No kidding.
I'm not the one who said "Not only do you not know that, but the president also told Graham and Schumer to their faces that he would not sign the bill."
I'm the one who said there was no bill.
There was no bill ... to even look at.
 
tres borrachos said:
There was no bill, but what that poster said was right. Do you not know why they went to the White House that day?
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I'm aware of why they were there.
I'm also aware of what they were proposing.
So I'm aware of why Trump told them to take a hike.
 
bubbabgone said:
I'm aware of why they were there.
I'm also aware of what they were proposing.
So I'm aware of why Trump told them to take a hike.
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I watched Trump the week before say he would agree to whatever they put in front of him because he trusted the people, on both sides.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Oh, so Trump tore up the deal now. But there was no bill. The deal would have become a deal had the president not ripped it up. You people fall all over yourselves making up and repeating utter trash to ineffectively shield the Republican party.
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Yawn. Trump wanted a wall. McConnell and Schumer didn't include it. Trump wasn't pleased. I'm using your lingo so that you haters can understand and this is your response. I guess the old saying: never give an inch" is correct when it comes to you folks who are only motivated by blind partisan hatred.
 
tres borrachos said:
I watched Trump the week before say he would agree to whatever they put in front of him because he trusted the people, on both sides.
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They (Congress - 2 houses - represented by that large group on Tuesday) didn't put anything in front of him. Trump was talking about something that represented Congress' will.
They (the gang of six) didn't represent Congress (that large group) in any way. They represented the bi-partisan Liberal view on immigration.
 
bubbabgone said:
They (Congress - 2 houses - represented by that large group on Tuesday) didn't put anything in front of him. Trump was talking about something that represented Congress' will.
They (the gang of six) didn't represent Congress (that large group) in any way. They represented the bi-partisan Liberal view on immigration.
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Okay? I don't recall saying that the large group 2 weeks ago today put anything in front of him.
 
bubbabgone said:
I don't either. Who said you did?
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Then I have no idea what your post meant. You said they put nothing in front of him 2 weeks ago, which I already knew (and presumably everyone else did as well). So maybe you typed it for....no reason?
 
tres borrachos said:
Then I have no idea what your post meant. You said they put nothing in front of him 2 weeks ago, which I already knew (and presumably everyone else did as well). So maybe you typed it for....no reason?
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You said you watched Trump say he would agree to whatever "they" put in front of him ... but that had nothing to do with the gang of six.
Since you were the one who originally brought up the Tuesday group I see it was just sloppy reasoning to do that then.
 
The GOP may have come out ahead on this fiasco, but their pResident is now revealed as a faithless and bumbling negotiator.

Maybe Congress can figure out that they, not tRump, have to be the government, because he is an empty suit.
 
bubbabgone said:
You said you watched Trump say he would agree to whatever "they" put in front of him ... but that had nothing to do with the gang of six.
Since you were the one who originally brought up the Tuesday group I see it was just sloppy reasoning to do that then.
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I said I watched Trump say he would agree to whatever was put in front of him because he trusted the people "on both sides". I'm not sure where you're going with this, or why.
 
Until Lindsey comes out of the closet, I don't give a damn what he thinks.
 
tres borrachos said:
I said I watched Trump say he would agree to whatever was put in front of him because he trusted the people "on both sides". I'm not sure where you're going with this, or why.
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The topic was apples and you brought up oranges.
 
bubbabgone said:
The topic was apples and you brought up oranges.
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Christonacracker. I was on topic. You mustn't have read the OP. Let me quote a bit of it for you.

Sen. Lindsey Graham saw a distinct change in President Donald Trump's views on immigration legislation last week — and he pinned it on one White House aide in particular on Friday. On Jan. 9, Trump told lawmakers to seek a bipartisan solution on immigration and signaled that he would sign whatever they put in front of him. Two days later, he flatly rejected a plan brought to him by Graham, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and others, helping to set back talks on avoiding a government shutdown that will happen at midnight if Congress cannot reach a deal. Graham, who said he will not support a temporary funding bill passed by the House when the Senate takes it up Friday, sees Trump policy advisor Stephen Miller as part of the problem. "The Stephen Miller approach to immigration has no viability. Tuesday, the president was in a good place. He was the president of all of us," Graham told MSNBC on Friday. "He spoke compassionately about immigration, tough on security, wanted bipartisanship. Two days later, there was a major change."
 
tres borrachos said:
Christonacracker. I was on topic. You mustn't have read the OP. Let me quote a bit of it for you.

Sen. Lindsey Graham saw a distinct change in President Donald Trump's views on immigration legislation last week — and he pinned it on one White House aide in particular on Friday. On Jan. 9, Trump told lawmakers to seek a bipartisan solution on immigration and signaled that he would sign whatever they put in front of him. Two days later, he flatly rejected a plan brought to him by Graham, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and others, helping to set back talks on avoiding a government shutdown that will happen at midnight if Congress cannot reach a deal. Graham, who said he will not support a temporary funding bill passed by the House when the Senate takes it up Friday, sees Trump policy advisor Stephen Miller as part of the problem. "The Stephen Miller approach to immigration has no viability. Tuesday, the president was in a good place. He was the president of all of us," Graham told MSNBC on Friday. "He spoke compassionately about immigration, tough on security, wanted bipartisanship. Two days later, there was a major change."
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It really doesn't matter what the Senate does and mcconnell knows it.
We're right back to political gamesmanship, with White House flamethrower disruptions, but at least more Americans are paying attention.

The 10% in the House will bring about another shutdown 2 weeks from Friday. Be prepared--Scout Motto.
GOP House members are out in force today mocking the Senate, saying No Deal ...
 
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