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Federal government shuts down after Senate talks fail

jmotivator said:
You need 60 votes to proceed to a floor vote. Democrats vote 42-6 against bringing it to a floor vote. Republicans voted 47-4 in favor of a floor vote. This is a Democrat shutdown.

And why did they do it? Because they wanted a DACA amendment. They turned down the biggest extension of CHIP in the program's history because of frigging DACA. They apparently don't want to win in 2018.
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The president told them to address DACA with this bill. They did. He lost his nonexistent mind and went on another racist rant. Every single one of them own this shutdown.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
The president told them to address DACA with this bill. They did. He lost his nonexistent mind and went on another racist rant. Every single one of them own this shutdown.
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The President's remarks, ugly as they may have been, are irrelevant. IMHO this is 100% on the Dems.
 
Congratulations America. The Democrats allowed the government to shut down because they weren't willing to fund it unless it had protections for illegal aliens. To them illegal aliens are more important than funding the government for American citizens.

I hope to God people gain some sense and vote these idiots out of office.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I agree. Shutting down the government to push an agenda that has no bearing on financing our government is beyond stupid and pathetic. DACA should be a separate issue from the financing of our government. I hope they shut it down until our leaders get their heads out of there rectums. So we are not going to pass a budget because a bunch of people are in this country illegally. Just genius. I say we pass laws requiring the removal of these criminals before their is a problem that requires DACA.
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Reckless is the word of the day.
 
MSgt said:
The way I see it, the GOP spent far too much energy radicalizing its constituency and nowhere near enough time dealing with issues in the present and planning for the future. After so many years, they proved to not even have a plan for repealing Obamacare. And after ramming this massive tax-cut Bill through (Obamacare style) and greatly reducing government revenue, they immediately declare that there isn't enough money to fund defense and border security. There's just not a lot of rational thought and reasoning going on.
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I think they rammed through the tax bill to dismantle entitlements. The president can't see two feet in front of his face, but Ryan especially has been drooling over the prospect for his entire political career and longer.
 
Jack Hays said:
The President's remarks, ugly as they may have been, are irrelevant. IMHO this is 100% on the Dems.
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It’s 100 percent on our posturing, small minded national politics.
 
JackA said:
It’s 100 percent on our posturing, small minded national politics.
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A deal has been available for months: Fund the Wall; save the Dreamers. Dems, for the moment, prefer to keep the issue rather than solve the problem, and polish their anti-Trump credentials.
 
Top Cat said:
Trump owns the House and the Senate.
Under his supreme negotiating skills, we have a shut down government.

Wow. What a colossal loser !
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Senate - 100 seats

51 Republicans
47 Democrats
2 Independents

60 required VOTES to pass the senate, while Republicans HOLD the majority, they do NOT hold the automatic vote and still require AT minimum 9 additional bi partisan votes.....

Sad how media and democrats feed the lies that its "SO" easy to pass bills and spending laws....


Secondly..... What does DACA/immigration have to do with spending bill for AMERICANS, paid for BY AMERICANS, while DACA are illegals to hold hostage the spending bill.... this is a bunch of BULL CRAP....... Talk about hypocrisy, 800,000 illegals holding hostage 400 million AMERICAN citizens.....
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I agree. Shutting down the government to push an agenda that has no bearing on financing our government is beyond stupid and pathetic. DACA should be a separate issue from the financing of our government. I hope they shut it down until our leaders get their heads out of there rectums. So we are not going to pass a budget because a bunch of people are in this country illegally. Just genius. I say we pass laws requiring the removal of these criminals before their is a problem that requires DACA.
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Well, I'm glad you're not the person deciding what to do about those 800,000 lives. By the way, the president told Congress to address DACA in this spending bill. I'm disgusted by the whole lot of them, but it is not completely honest to say that Democrats forced this shutdown by insisting on a non-germane item.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I think they rammed through the tax bill to dismantle entitlements. The president can't see two feet in front of his face, but Ryan especially has been drooling over the prospect for his entire political career and longer.
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Yeah ACA was even better right......... That got rammed down our throats without ANY regards..
 
Jack Hays said:
The President's remarks, ugly as they may have been, are irrelevant. IMHO this is 100% on the Dems.
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Unless you're using the "100%" statement as hyperbole for dramatic impact, that's a mathematically disprovable thing, seeing as a bipartisan deal was brought to trump and he rejected it. That would bring it down to 70% trump and 30% Congress. Then Republicans refused to reauthorize CHIP, making it a bargaining chip for entirely cynical reasons, bringing Democrats' part in this down an additional 30%. It should be 0% on the Democrats, but there's also no denying that technically speaking, if Democrats didn't insist on not immediately rolling over there would be a spending bill. Therefore it's only fair to give them 10% of the blame.

But then...

Republicans in Congress don't even want to create a bill because they have no idea what Trump will agree to. This brings Democrats' part in this down to 5%, and I'm straining to give them that much purely in the interests of bipartisanship.
 
Jack Hays said:
The President's remarks, ugly as they may have been, are irrelevant. IMHO this is 100% on the Dems.
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Not for me. The president specifically told them on live and national TV to address DACA. There is not one innocent person from either party in this.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Well, I'm glad you're not the person deciding what to do about those 800,000 lives. By the way, the president told Congress to address DACA in this spending bill. I'm disgusted by the whole lot of them, but it is not completely honest to say that Democrats forced this shutdown by insisting on a non-germane item.
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800,000 ILLEGAL immigrants are holding HOSTAGE 400 Million AMERICANS?????.... Senate requires 60 votes, Republicans hold 51 seats needs at least 9 additional votes... NONE.... Yeah politics? Morals? Principals? YEAH pure Political BULL !@##$
 
Exactice said:
Yeah ACA was even better right......... That got rammed down our throats without ANY regards..
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I know you are, but what am I? I'm not talking about the ACA, but even if I was, how do two wrongs make a right? You can't keep pointing to the past to excuse bad behavior in the present. That's why we never, ever get out of this ****ing nightmare.
 
Jack Hays said:
IMHO this is 100% on the Dems.
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IMAO, I agree.

But, c'mon. The GOP is reaping what they sow right now. Throughout Clinton and Obama's tenures, the GOP played this game of government shutdown as a negotiating tactic and it was the Democrats' job to keep the government open by caving in to Republican demands. Mulvaney even admitted to this past tactic (that we all have witnessed for ourselves) and is trying to call the Democrats hypocrites for it. Now the Republicans act outraged because the Democrats have followed in their foot steps? How can Republicans not see the sheer hypocrisy in forcing Democrats to cave over and over and now refuse their own game? It really was the GOP that decided to shut down. All they had to do was what they expected Democrats to do -and did- all those former times...cave.
 
Cardinal said:
Unless you're using the "100%" statement as hyperbole for dramatic impact, that's a mathematically disprovable thing, seeing as a bipartisan deal was brought to trump and he rejected it. That would bring it down to 70% trump and 30% Congress. Then Republicans refused to reauthorize CHIP, making it a bargaining chip for entirely cynical reasons, bringing Democrats' part in this down an additional 30%. It should be 0% on the Democrats, but there's also no denying that technically speaking, if Democrats didn't insist on not immediately rolling over there would be a spending bill. Therefore it's only fair to give them 10% of the blame.

But then...

Republicans in Congress don't even want to create a bill because they have no idea what Trump will agree to. This brings Democrats' part in this down to 5%, and I'm straining to give them that much purely in the interests of bipartisanship.
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Not for me. The president specifically told them on live and national TV to address DACA. There is not one innocent person from either party in this.
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The outline of the DACA/Wall deal predates all of that and could have been taken up at any time had Schumer cared to do so.
 
digsbe said:
Congratulations America. The Democrats allowed the government to shut down because they weren't willing to fund it unless it had protections for illegal aliens. To them illegal aliens are more important than funding the government for American citizens.

I hope to God people gain some sense and vote these idiots out of office.
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Of course, that means keeping the idiots that allowed 12 million illegal immigrants to enter and remain here in the first place. The truth of the matter is that the donor class (aka the "job creators") and those congress critters in need of such donations (all of them?) want an ample supply of low wage workers to prevent upward pressure on wages.

The act of relabeling some illegal immigrants to "dreamer" status (DACA) does nothing except to assure the next waive of illegal immigrants willing to accept low wages in search of their turn to be granted amnesty.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I know you are, but what am I? I'm not talking about the ACA, but even if I was, how do two wrongs make a right? You can't keep pointing to the past to excuse bad behavior in the present. That's why we never, ever get out of this ****ing nightmare.
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The reason is you criticize the tax bill and we DO NOT even KNOW the actual affects yet POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. I read that it DOES help the middle class.... you read the MEDIA version...... WE have not even gotten our TAXES submitted yet, how do you know its a fail?

ACA has PROVEN to be a collapse, I pay 223% more in my insurance rate since ACA started...... Its not a matter of 2 wrongs... its a matter that one HAS failed and we do NOT know what the Tax plan has ultimately done... Talk to me in 4 years when we see the REAL effects.

And again..... why did NO democrats vote for the spending bill? If its based on PRINCIPLES..... they can get the Government Funded and the President stated the DACA deal needs to be figured out by March...A month and a half from now.... Again really hold the nation hostage for 800,000 ILLEGALS???
 
Jack Hays said:
The outline of the DACA/Wall deal predates all of that and could have been taken up at any time had Schumer cared to do so.
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An if Republicans had been willing to pass something like that, that would have been swell. But they weren't so that's an irrelevant and disingenuous point. So you can try replying to my post in context now.
 
Jack Hays said:
A deal has been available for months: Fund the Wall; save the Dreamers. Dems, for the moment, prefer to keep the issue rather than solve the problem, and polish their anti-Trump credentials.
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Well, this makes no sense. Do they have to polish anything? Most of the GOP doesn't like Trump. I don't think the DNC needs to remind people that they are anti-Trump.
 
MSgt said:
IMAO, I agree.

But, c'mon. The GOP is reaping what they sow right now. Throughout Clinton and Obama's tenures, the GOP played this game of government shutdown as a negotiating tactic and it was the Democrats' job to keep the government open by caving in to Republican demands. Mulvaney even admitted to this past tactic (that we all have witnessed for ourselves) and is trying to call the Democrats hypocrites for it. Now the Republicans act outraged because the Democrats have followed in their foot steps? How can Republicans not see the sheer hypocrisy in forcing Democrats to cave over and over and now refuse their own game? It really was the GOP that decided to shut down. All they had to do was what they expected Democrats to do -and did- all those former times...cave.
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There is nothing in my posts to excuse past Repub behavior. I thought shutdowns were stupid then, and I think this one is stupid now.
 
Exactice said:
800,000 ILLEGAL immigrants are holding HOSTAGE 400 Million AMERICANS?????.... Senate requires 60 votes, Republicans hold 51 seats needs at least 9 additional votes... NONE.... Yeah politics? Morals? Principals? YEAH pure Political BULL !@##$
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In case you missed it, only 45 Republicans voted for the bill. It is pure political bull****, but whoever is only blaming one side or the other is a worthless partisan hack.
 
Winston said:
It's the GOP's fault because they let it lapse in order to use it as a bargaining chip. If you dispute that, you are wrong.
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I do dispute that and your view of whether or not I'm right or wrong is representative of the Democrat and the Republican Party stance on everything.

You see yourself as judge and jury and morally superior.

You would rather crow about your own superiority than actually get anything done.

I'm with Trump. Get something done and STFU.
 
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