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Federal government shuts down after Senate talks fail

ttwtt78640 said:
Do you really believe that republicants will refuse to cave on DACA? Those slime balls are busy drafting DACA as we speak because polls and Trump know that it is currently popular (a must do thing). Sure, the republicants will add this and that to "their" DACA bill (claiming it to be immigration reform - titled as something other than DACA) but a DACA bill (coverting up to 25% of current "illegal" immigrants to legal status) will be passed with few, if any, major strings attached and the demorats know this to be true.
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"Currently popular" with who? Not me.

The people who find it "popular" never voted Republican and didn't vote for Trump.

That said, people should realize that Trump himself is not against DACA. He isn't and never was a "racist," despite all efforts to label him one.

He just wants to use it as leverage to get his own immigration goals passed.
 
Fletch said:
Total bull****. The dems don't want negotiation, they want capitulation. This is 100% on Shumer and the democrats. That you don't see that is what is 'staggering.'
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The deal-maker can't get deals done. This has been glaringly apparent for the entirety of the past year. His pathetic failure to keep his own government open with unified control is just the cherry on top.

It was a nice hail mary from disillusioned voters who bought into the fabricated image, but it's time to admit the mistake and do better next time.
 
Chomsky said:
I suspect yes, but only if he pays his share of the bills firstly, and is banned from future involvement!
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Do Liberals EVER say ANYTHING that is based in reality?
 
Lord of Planar said:
It doesn't need to be a separate tax like it is in Portlandia. Or a stupid mandate that 1% of new building construction cost is for art.

Leave it to the Crapitaol of the North-Left coast...
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I agree. One percent is hardly enough.
 
There will be hell to pay if Trump misses his gala@MaraLago tonight!
 
Casper said:
All the Repubs had to do was deal with DACA and everything would have been approved, hence it was the Repubs choice, they knew this from day 1, to claim otherwise is a Lie.
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Deal with? That is what they were doing.

The Dems do NOT want a deal that leads to a solution to benefit the "Dreamers". They want an issue to exploit for political gain.

WHY do you think Little Dick Durbin made public the Trump comment as he claims to have remembered it?
 
JackA said:
Every culturally advanced society gives public support to the arts, which are the highest expression of its culture. If this support is withering under Trump, as it seems to be, it's probably because Trump himself is a cultural pig.
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Can you support your fact-free statement with a link?
 
Greenbeard said:
The deal-maker can't get deals done. This has been glaringly apparent for the entirety of the past year. His pathetic failure to keep his own government open with unified control is just the cherry on top.

It was a nice hail mary from disillusioned voters who bought into the fabricated image, but it's time to admit the mistake and do better next time.
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Sorry. That's just stupid.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What part of this funding bill had anything to do with DACA?

Oh right...nothing. There was nothing in this funding bill that Democrats opposed. The only reason that they are refusing to vote in the funding bill is because of an outside issue. One that has nothing to do with funding the country. What Democrats ended up doing is proving that they would rather fight for 700k illegal aliens than 9 million American Citizens. Trust me...this is NOT going to go the way that you think it is.
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The Democrats are trying to impress the weak minded.

It's impossible to predict what will impress the weak minded.
 
Fletch said:
Sorry. That's just stupid.
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Here's an empirical data point for you, buddy: he's one year in with majorities in both chambers of Congress and the government is closed.

Pretending he's even a bad deal-maker would be vastly overstating his abilities.
 
Greenbeard said:
Here's an empirical data point for you, buddy: he's one year in with majorities in both chambers of Congress and the government is closed.

Pretending he's even a bad deal-maker would be vastly overstating his abilities.
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Go educate yourself on whats going on then get back to me. Trumps deal making skills have nothing to do with this. Nothing. This is about democrats trying to inject their non-related priorities into a spending bill. And just so you know, part of making a good deal is rejecting bad ones.
 
Captain Adverse said:
"Currently popular" with who? Not me.

The people who find it "popular" never voted Republican and didn't vote for Trump.

That said, people should realize that Trump himself is not against DACA. He isn't and never was a "racist," despite all efforts to label him one.

He just wants to use it as leverage to get his own immigration goals passed.
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DACA is popular according to many opinion polls - "dreamers" have been successfully sold as potential super-citizens by the MSM. Rest assured that there will be no distinction made using Obama's magic date of arriving as a minor before 6/15/07 rendering a 2 year old illegal immigrant arriving on 6/16/07 deportable. I also fully expect a DAPA component to be added - we simply can't have "dreamy" minors living here without legalizing their currently illegal guardians.

Trump just wants to say that he "won". If that means DACA and DAPA come along with funding the Great Wall of Trump (which he claimed that Mexico would pay for, BTW) then so be it (which is why he "extended" Obama's DACA EO). Trump has been telling republicant congress critters to pass anything and to call it immigration reform to get that Great Wall of Trump "win".
 
Fletch said:
Go educate yourself on whats going on then get back to me. Trumps deal making skills have nothing to do with this. Nothing. This is about democrats trying to inject their non-related priorities into a spending bill. And just so you know, part of making a good deal is rejecting bad ones.
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Great, so shutting down the government is Trump making a good deal.

Run with that.
 
Fletch said:
Go educate yourself on whats going on then get back to me. Trumps deal making skills have nothing to do with this. Nothing. This is about democrats trying to inject their non-related priorities into a spending bill. And just so you know, part of making a good deal is rejecting bad ones.
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Trump shares culpability for the shutdown. To pretend he doesn't is asinine.

They had bipartisan legislation worked out & Trump rejected it. Trump should learn how to compromise and not see the world in a black & white "who's winning and who's losing." lens. To view the world that way is puerile and one dimensional.
 
code1211 said:
Deal with? That is what they were doing.

The Dems do NOT want a deal that leads to a solution to benefit the "Dreamers". They want an issue to exploit for political gain.

WHY do you think Little Dick Durbin made public the Trump comment as he claims to have remembered it?
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So what did the Repubs in the House do to Deal With It in their Bill, the answer is Nothing, even though they Knew ahead of time that the Dems would not play. They made their choice, now everything goes back to square one until this gets hashed out, Good.
 
Greenbeard said:
Great, so shutting down the government is Trump making a good deal.

Run with that.
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That's not what I said. And the government is shut down because democrats wont vote for a spending bill that they have no objections to. Here are the ugly facts that you wont allow yourself to swallow: DACA ha nothing to do with the spending bill. Dems want it included or they will let the government shut down. Which has just happened. Your party is more concerned with non citizens than they are with American citizens.

Run with that.
 
Fletch said:
Go educate yourself on whats going on then get back to me. Trumps deal making skills have nothing to do with this. Nothing. This is about democrats trying to inject their non-related priorities into a spending bill. And just so you know, part of making a good deal is rejecting bad ones.
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Rest assured that the demorats are doing far more more than just trying to get DACA and DAPA. The republicants are busy, as we speak, drafting a DACA (with DAPA-lite?) bill. Sure, the republicants will add a few other goodies (mainly the Great Wall of Trump) to it and call the resulting mess "comprehensive immigration reform with bipartisan support" instead of simply "DACA+" but cave they must (and soon) - they simply do not have the Senate 60 votes or the balls to do otherwise.
 
code1211 said:
This was the result of the Democrats refusing to reach a compromise and refusing to fund CHIP.

This has NOTHING to do with the Reps.
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When you have control of both houses of Congress and the White House, the responsibility for an effective legislative agenda rests with you. You have to put critical legislation on the floor that gets passed. If you put a DOA bill on the floor and expect it to pass, its your fault.

DACA was done, but Trump reneged twice. He touted himself as the great negotiator, but can't seem to make a deal. Republicans have repeated stated that they hate government, so shutting down with the government seems to be desirable result to them.

Of course, this video will be played dozens of times over the next week...."It starts at the top...", ".... The President has to lead..."




You may want to believe that the Dems get the blame for this, 34% of the people do. Unfortunately, in a democracy, 34% ain't a winning hand.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/20/who-will-america-blame-216487
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...p-could-bear-brunt-blame-shutdown/1049918001/

Have fun with this fantasy. Most fantasies have a short shelf life.
 
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Winston said:
Trump shares culpability for the shutdown. To pretend he doesn't is asinine.

They had bipartisan legislation worked out & Trump rejected it. Trump should learn how to compromise and not see the world in a black & white "who's winning and who's losing." lens. To view the world that way is puerile and one dimensional.
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The bipartisan legislation (which was what? 4 people?) did not include priorities that Trump ran on. He is willing to grant DACA for border security. Whats wrong with that?
 
Fletch said:
The bipartisan legislation (which was what? 4 people?) did not include priorities that Trump ran on. He is willing to grant DACA for border security. Whats wrong with that?
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Why isn't Mexico paying for the wall?
 
upsideguy said:
When you have control of both houses of Congress and the White House, the responsibility for an effective legislative agenda rests with you. You have to put critical legislation on the floor that gets passed. If you put a DOA bill on the floor and expect it to pass, its your fault.

DACA was done, but Trump reneged twice. He touted himself as the great negotiator, but can't seem to make a deal. Republicans have repeated stated that they hate government, so shutting down with the government seems to be desireable result to them.

You may want to believe that the Dems get the blame for this, 34% of the people do. Unfortunately, in a democracy, 34% ain't a winning hand.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/20/who-will-america-blame-216487
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...p-could-bear-brunt-blame-shutdown/1049918001/

Have fun with this fantasy. Most fantasies have a short shelf life.
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What the polss say doesn't matter. Its what the facts say that counts. DACA has nothing to do with funding the government. Democrats want it included as a price for funding the government. So it is they who are shutting the government down. You guys care more about people here illegally than you do about American citizens. That's whats going on.
 
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