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Showdown Vote in Senate on Friday With Government Shutdown at Stake

Khayembii Communique

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Surprised nobody's posted anything on this at all yet. Clearly the Republicans don't need Democratic votes to keep the government running, yet they can't even manage to rally their own party to do that. Very sad state of affairs for the Republicans.



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WASHINGTON — The Senate is heading toward a showdown vote on Friday on legislation to keep the government open past midnight, and Democrats appear ready to block it, gambling that a weakened President Trump will have to offer concessions in the face of a looming government crisis.​


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After the House cleared stopgap spending legislation on Thursday that would keep the government funded through Feb. 16, Senate Republicans are set to test whether Democrats will make good on their promise to move the government toward a shutdown. But Democrats appear intent on securing concessions that would, among other things, protect from deportation young immigrants brought to the country illegally as children, increase domestic spending, aid Puerto Rico and bolster the government’s response to the opioid epidemic.​


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And they hope that Mr. Trump, scorched by the firestorm prompted by his vulgar, racially tinged comments on Africa last week, will be forced back to the negotiating table.​

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“Republicans control the House, they control the Senate and they control the presidency,” said Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont. “The government stays open if they want it to stay open, and it shuts down if they want it to shut down. It’s time to stop kicking the can down the road and time to start negotiating in good faith.”​
 
50 GOP Senate votes won't ram this legislation through this time.

It's time Trump and the GOP learned the art of compromise.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Surprised nobody's posted anything on this at all yet. Clearly the Republicans don't need Democratic votes to keep the government running, yet they can't even manage to rally their own party to do that.
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Did Republicans get a super majority able to overcome any filibuster recently, or is there some other thing in play that is leading to you suggesting that the Republicans don't need any democratic votes in order for the budget to be passed?
 
One poster who's not a drooling idiot feels there is a greater-than-average chance that Democrats take the fall for a shutdown. While none of us can predict how public political narratives end up going, there are a number of factors that give me reason to think that there is less-than-average chance of this happening:

1)Trump has gone on the record multiple times calling for a shutdown.
2)Republicans control both houses of Congress. The optics of this aren't beneficial to Republicans.
3)Republicans and Democrats created a bipartisan bill that trump rejected.
4)Republicans could have reauthorized CHIP at any time and refused to, only now using it as a bargaining chip
5)DACA is an inherently humanitarian concept that has the sympathy of the overwhelming majority of the public
6)Republicans burned their credibility by repeatedly trying to take away millions of people's health insurance and passing a bill the majority of the public sees as benefiting the rich. Their motives for their part in this shutdown will be seen with a skeptical eye.
7)Trump burned his credibility...period.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Clearly the Republicans don't need Democratic votes to keep the government running
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Clearly you know nothing about the issue. This requires 60 votes and therefore a minimum of 9 Democrats. I don't expect a shutdown, but do expect the Democrats to milk whatever bit of relevance they can get out of this.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Surprised nobody's posted anything on this at all yet.
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It's already posted in in the "Government Spending and Debt" thread. But I think this one is good enough to be posted in multiple threads....
 
Taylor said:
Clearly you know nothing about the issue. This requires 60 votes and therefore a minimum of 9 Democrats. I don't expect a shutdown, but do expect the Democrats to milk whatever bit of relevance they can get out of this.
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No, it is YOU that doesn't know enough about the issue. The Republicans can end filibuster RIGHT NOW with a simple majority vote. The President has asked them to do that on multiple occasions. Why haven't they?
 
Cardinal said:
One poster who's not a drooling idiot feels there is a greater-than-average chance that Democrats take the fall for a shutdown. While none of us can predict how public political narratives end up going, there are a number of factors that give me reason to think that there is less-than-average chance of this happening:

1)Trump has gone on the record multiple times calling for a shutdown.
2)Republicans control both houses of Congress. The optics of this aren't beneficial to Republicans.
3)Republicans and Democrats created a bipartisan bill that trump rejected.
4)Republicans could have reauthorized CHIP at any time and refused to, only now using it as a bargaining chip
5)DACA is an inherently humanitarian concept that has the sympathy of the overwhelming majority of the public
6)Republicans burned their credibility by repeatedly trying to take away millions of people's health insurance and passing a bill the majority of the public sees as benefiting the rich. Their motives for their part in this shutdown will be seen with a skeptical eye.
7)Trump burned his credibility...period.
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You can add GOP Senators Graham, Paul, and Rounds to your list, especially Graham, as well as McConnell's own words that he didn't know what trump's positions were. We'll see what comes of Trump/Kelly/Miller meeting Chuck/Nancy with Mitch sidelined; or is he ?
 
NIMBY said:
You can add GOP Senators Graham, Paul, and Rounds to your list, especially Graham, as well as McConnell's own words that he didn't know what trump's positions were. We'll see what comes of Trump/Kelly/Miller meeting Chuck/Nancy with Mitch sidelined; or is he ?
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Its going to take some Olympic gymnastic acrobatics for Trump to blame the Dems is this shutdown happens.
 
Zyphlin said:
Did Republicans get a super majority able to overcome any filibuster recently, or is there some other thing in play that is leading to you suggesting that the Republicans don't need any democratic votes in order for the budget to be passed?
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The Republicans DO NOT need any Democrats if they can get a simple majority from their own ranks.
They can end the filibuster TODAY, RIGHT NOW, if they want to. Under the "nuclear option" proceedings, the President of the Senate (Pence) simply calls a vote to overrule the presiding officer, which requires only 51 votes. This would effectively end the 60-vote requirement for passage of legislation.
But as of now, they don't even have a simple majority.
What are they afraid of?
 
Zyphlin said:
Did Republicans get a super majority able to overcome any filibuster recently, or is there some other thing in play that is leading to you suggesting that the Republicans don't need any democratic votes in order for the budget to be passed?
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Rogue Valley said:
50 GOP Senate votes won't ram this legislation through this time.

It's time Trump and the GOP learned the art of compromise.
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Taylor said:
Clearly you know nothing about the issue. This requires 60 votes and therefore a minimum of 9 Democrats. I don't expect a shutdown, but do expect the Democrats to milk whatever bit of relevance they can get out of this.
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They can vote a simple majority on it. They can do it all themselves, but they don't want to. What they should really do is vote to get rid of this government shutdown bs once and for all.
 
Zyphlin said:
Did Republicans get a super majority able to overcome any filibuster recently, or is there some other thing in play that is leading to you suggesting that the Republicans don't need any democratic votes in order for the budget to be passed?
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No, and no. It will take 60 in the senate. If they do not get it, there will be more than enough blame to pass around. Everyone involved should get a share.
 
Cardinal said:
One poster who's not a drooling idiot feels there is a greater-than-average chance that Democrats take the fall for a shutdown. While none of us can predict how public political narratives end up going, there are a number of factors that give me reason to think that there is less-than-average chance of this happening:

1)Trump has gone on the record multiple times calling for a shutdown.
2)Republicans control both houses of Congress. The optics of this aren't beneficial to Republicans.
3)Republicans and Democrats created a bipartisan bill that trump rejected.
4)Republicans could have reauthorized CHIP at any time and refused to, only now using it as a bargaining chip
5)DACA is an inherently humanitarian concept that has the sympathy of the overwhelming majority of the public
6)Republicans burned their credibility by repeatedly trying to take away millions of people's health insurance and passing a bill the majority of the public sees as benefiting the rich. Their motives for their part in this shutdown will be seen with a skeptical eye.
7)Trump burned his credibility...period.
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Meanwhile, many of us are still trying to figure out why WE are paying for a wall that Mexico is supposed to be paying for...
 
Rogue Valley said:
50 GOP Senate votes won't ram this legislation through this time.

It's time Trump and the GOP learned the art of compromise.
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GOPs only have 47 right now, without McCain and 3 no votes, so time for bipartisanship, as Sen. Graham signaled to trump through the media.

I can see a 'limited' Graham/Durbin DACA here. (Plus disaster relief, military, fence/wall, border security, CHIP; deficits are not a problem to trump)

Sen. Graham gets kudos right now, and just tweeted his pleasure with Chuck and Donald meeting at this moment, as most know ...
 
DickBanks said:
The Republicans DO NOT need any Democrats if they can get a simple majority from their own ranks.
They can end the filibuster TODAY, RIGHT NOW, if they want to. Under the "nuclear option" proceedings, the President of the Senate (Pence) simply calls a vote to overrule the presiding officer, which requires only 51 votes. This would effectively end the 60-vote requirement for passage of legislation.
But as of now, they don't even have a simple majority.
What are they afraid of?
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This was part of what I was wondering, if he was implying Reconciliation or not.
 
DickBanks said:
Only because the Republicans that CONTROL the Senate don't have the stones to change the rules...
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Compromise, finally! There must be some s***storm going on at Breitbart right about now....
 
Khayembii Communique said:
They can vote a simple majority on it. They can do it all themselves, but they don't want to. What they should really do is vote to get rid of this government shutdown bs once and for all.
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Gotcha, so the "some other thing in play"....you're suggesting they could conceivably use reconciliation to get it passed.
 
DickBanks said:
No, it is YOU that doesn't know enough about the issue. The Republicans can end filibuster RIGHT NOW with a simple majority vote. The President has asked them to do that on multiple occasions. Why haven't they?
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This requires 60 votes and therefore a minimum of 9 Democrats.
 
DickBanks said:
The Republicans DO NOT need any Democrats if they can get a simple majority from their own ranks.
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Khayembii Communique said:
They can vote a simple majority on it. They can do it all themselves, but they don't want to. What they should really do is vote to get rid of this government shutdown bs once and for all.
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Actually, doing a bit of research, but early reading seems to suggest that the realities of the House budget bill likely make it unable to qualify for the Byrd rule and thus not able to be passed via reconciliation.

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Yep, reconciliation was used passing the Tax reform bill. You can only have one reconciliation bill per fiscal year. Therefore they can NOT use the 51 vote, simple majority, rules to pass this bill and as such it would require the breaking of a filibuster.

So no, the Republicans do NOT have the ability to just pass this themselves like originally suggested in the OP
 
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haymarket said:
Its going to take some Olympic gymnastic acrobatics for Trump to blame the Dems is this shutdown happens.
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McConnell's squirming right now, as GOP spinners fill the airwaves. No doubt GOPs will go up with their hit ads right away if this falls apart, hiding behind kids and the military.

Good for Donald and Chuck to be speaking in real time though, with Mitch on the phone. Great day to be a Civics teacher. trump doesn't want to mess up his SOTU ...
 
haymarket said:
Its going to take some Olympic gymnastic acrobatics for Trump to blame the Dems is this shutdown happens.
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It's already been labeled the "Schumer Shutdown"
 
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