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Fusion GPS leader suspected 'crime' when probing Trump team and Russia - CNN today

holbritter said:
I have to wonder why the FBI didn't jump on this when they were given all this information (per Simpson's transcript) They knew by the end of the summer, yet they didn't seem interested in it at all, which is why Simpson said they release the dossier to the media. If Simpson is to be believed, they weren't all that concerned because they all thought Hillary would win.
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The reasoning is that by making it public they scare possible sources underground who might otherwise have helped in the investigation. I'm not saying whether or not that is good reasoning, or even if it's believable reasoning, but that is the reasoning.

And then you're dealing with the matter of the FBI appearing to influence a Presidential election, which is its own ****storm; and the fact that, yes, people just assumed Clinton would win.

I've said it before: it took an incalculable number of events to line up in order for Trump to win, and the FBI not announcing their investigation was just one of them.

If you had removed the assumption that Clinton would win from the equation, literally everything would have changed. It cannot be overstated how many bad decisions were made as a result of that assumption.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Yes, the Atlantic. Are the words used too big for you? What, specifically, are you have trouble with in what was reported at that link? Oh, wait. You didn't read it.

And Bob Mueller is a lifelong conservative republican.

This is going to a glorious year.
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I don't read partisan crap.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! So you cannot dispute a single thing in the article, and yet again are dancing around in glee at your self-imposed ignorance.

Nice!
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It just goes to show where your head is when you read such biased crap as the Atlantic, etc. I don't watch Fox News but, if I did, what would you think if I posted "facts" from Fox News?
 
Moderate Right said:
It just goes to show where your head is when you read such biased crap as the Atlantic, etc. I don't watch Fox News but, if I did, what would you think if I posted "facts" from Fox News?
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Good to hear that you admit you're a coward.

Pretty much everyone already knew.
 
GDViking said:
Ever hear of expert testimony?
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Sure have, but expert witnesses present opinions on physical evidence, such as causes of death.

Steele's opinion is just that, opinion.
 
Cardinal said:
The sheer scale of financial leverage the Russian government has over trump's businesses clarifies the extraordinary level of panic the CIA and the FBI must have felt when all of this was learned, and especially when he was elected. It's a wonder that anybody working there is able to keep their sanity when the sitting President is that completely compromised. How do you do even do your job with that kind of knowledge?

The post-Trump years when all of this eventually comes out are going to be amazing.
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Ok-- so an argument is being made that the dossier sent the intelligence service into a tizzy.

so we are a year into his administration. What exactly has Trump done which is beneficial to Putin?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Ok-- so an argument is being made that the dossier sent the intelligence service into a tizzy.

so we are a year into his administration. What exactly has Trump done which is beneficial to Putin?
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The bigger question is, if you worked for an agency tasked with protecting the country and you leaned that the president was compromised by one of our largest geopolitical rivals, how would you not be in a tizzy?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Thanks again for coming clean about that.
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Can't answer the question, can you? You expect me to read crap like the Atlantic and take it as fact but you would refuse to read Fox News crap and take it as fact.
 
Cardinal said:
The bigger question is, if you worked for an agency tasked with protecting the country and you leaned that the president was compromised by one of our largest geopolitical rivals, how would you not be in a tizzy?
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They havent learned any such thing. Even Steele admits admits his information may not be accurate.
Since the dossier is a political document, why did the FBI et. al. go bananas over it?
Thats why the question as to whether it was used for political reasons is raised.
 
Athanasius68 said:
They havent learned any such thing.
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Then I'm happy to inform you that you've been living under a rock for all of 2017.

Even Steele admits admits his information may not be accurate.
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Link?

Since the dossier is a political document, why did the FBI et. al. go bananas over it?
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If they were, it's probably because they were already in the process of going bananas after Papadoupolos bragged to an Australian diplomat that he was colluding with the Russians, and a separate member Trump's campaign tipped off the FBI about other issues concerning money laundering and collusion.

Athanasius68 said:
Thats why the question as to whether it was used for political reasons is raised.
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Cardinal said:
Then I'm happy to inform you that you've been living under a rock for all of 2017.



Link?



If they were, it's probably because they were already in the process of going bananas after Papadoupolos bragged to an Australian diplomat that he was colluding with the Russians, and a separate member Trump's campaign tipped off the FBI about other issues concerning money laundering and collusion.
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And the FBI was so worked up over Papadoupolos they ran out months later and obtained a FISA warrant on Carter Page...

The evidence we have tells a story of Russia seeking to influence the election.
And Trump saying "No." The Russian lawyer, Page, Papadouplos--- it was all rejected.
Heck, the dossier can be looked at the same way-- by Steele's own admission, it came from the Russian government.
 
Athanasius68 said:
And the FBI was so worked up over Papadoupolos they ran out months later and obtained a FISA warrant on Carter Page...

The evidence we have tells a story of Russia seeking to influence the election.
And Trump saying "No." The Russian lawyer, Page, Papadouplos--- it was all rejected.
Heck, the dossier can be looked at the same way-- by Steele's own admission, it came from the Russian government.
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Hold on, you still need to cite your source for the claim that "Even Steele admits admits his information may not be accurate."

And now you need to cite your source for the claim that "The evidence we have tells a story of Russia seeking to influence the election. And Trump saying "No." The Russian lawyer, Page, Papadouplos--- it was all rejected."
 
Moderate Right said:
Can't answer the question, can you? You expect me to read crap like the Atlantic and take it as fact but you would refuse to read Fox News crap and take it as fact.
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You don't have to keep confessing to intellectual cowardice. Twice is plenty.
 
Absentglare said:
You're just being pedantic. Democrats won't impeach President Trump over an extramarital affair, they're not as shallowly partisan as republicans.

It's in the testimony. Simpson confirms that the contacts publicly reported corroborate the research done by Steele.
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That has never happened in the history of the country.
 
Mycroft said:
They didn't pay for the dossier. In fact, they had nothing to do with it.
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Exactly right.
When you hear anyone make that claim you can tell how little they know about the subject.
Of course there's also the possibility they're hoping you do too.
Either way ... it's wrong.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, or no - would you accept a link to Fox News or MSNBC as proof of anything or not?
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I'll gladly answer this question and Ill add to it . . .


My answer is if they are the only and sole source, absolutely positively not. Anybody who does is part of the problem, ignorant and or biased themselves.
 
LaylaWindu said:
I'll gladly answer this question and Ill add to it . . .


My answer is if they are the only and sole source, absolutely positively not. Anybody who does is part of the problem, ignorant and or biased themselves.
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Apparently Tranny will only accept the Atlantic as a source and not Fox News.
 
LaylaWindu said:
I was simply answering the question for myself. :shrug:
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I know. I realize that. And, I totally agree. Which was my point with Tranny. If he won't take seriously any facts from Fox News then how does he expect anyone else to take his link from the Atlantic seriously?
 
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