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FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump

Taylor said:
Proof?
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That IS what is being investigated. If it is being investigated, it means there is no proof. However, if it is being investigated, there is sufficient evidence to raise red flags to be investigated. That is, assuming the reports they are being investigated is correct.
 
Somerville said:
Well, isn't this just special?



Where did the money come from? A group, well known for its 'conservative' ideology, somehow acquired enough money to spend THREE TIMES as much in 2016 as it did in 2012.


Hooray for the Citizens United decision -- as long as you don't give a **** about who is buying politicians these days.

I'm sure some of the usual standard-bearers for the right wing will immediately bring in George Soros, although they will have next to nothing to support their claims -- you can't change the minds of the True Believers no matter how much actual information one provides.
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How did the NRA help Trump win the Presidency?
 
American said:
Sounds plausible. NOT
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It's perfectly feasible. Even if it was done, that doesn't mean the middle man knew they were being played as a middle man .. or that Trump's campaign was involved. However, it is entirely plausible.

You might want to deny it.. but it is feasible and plausible. It would preform the same function as a shell company
 
RAMOSS said:
That IS what is being investigated. If it is being investigated, it means there is no proof. However, if it is being investigated, there is sufficient evidence to raise red flags to be investigated. That is, assuming the reports they are being investigated is correct.
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No, that's not what is being investigated. There is no indication of that whatsoever in the article. As a 501c4 group, they are allowed engage in political activities in support of or against candidates, this is not "funneling money to a campaign," which is illegal.
 
Somerville said:
Well, isn't this just special?



Where did the money come from? A group, well known for its 'conservative' ideology, somehow acquired enough money to spend THREE TIMES as much in 2016 as it did in 2012.


Hooray for the Citizens United decision -- as long as you don't give a **** about who is buying politicians these days.

I'm sure some of the usual standard-bearers for the right wing will immediately bring in George Soros, although they will have next to nothing to support their claims -- you can't change the minds of the True Believers no matter how much actual information one provides.
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Who is McClatchy? Is this conspiracy talk?
 
Taylor said:
No, that's not what is being investigated. There is no indication of that whatsoever in the article. As a 501c4 group, they are allowed engage in political activities in support of or against candidates, this is not "funneling money to a campaign," which is illegal.
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You don't seem to understand what is being investigated, and how that woudl work Yes, they are allowed to engange in political activies.. .. However, what is being investigated is the source of the funds that they used to put in the pro trump superpac they had. If the source of the funds was Russia, that makes it illegal.

Notice, I said 'IF'. An investigation is not showing someone is guilty.
 
holbritter said:
Who is McClatchy? Is this conspiracy talk?
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Every day I am surprised by the ignorance of some people. Ignorance does not mean stupid, just a lack of knowledge.

The McClatchy Company is a publicly traded American publishing company based in Sacramento, California. It operates 29 daily newspapers in 14 states and has an average weekday circulation of 1.6 million and Sunday circulation of 2.4 million.[1] In 2006, it purchased Knight Ridder, which at the time was the second-largest newspaper company in the United States (Gannett was and remains the largest). In addition to its daily newspapers, McClatchy also operates several websites and community papers, as well as a news agency, McClatchyDC, focused on political news from the U.S. capital.
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Somerville said:
Every day I am surprised by the ignorance of some people. Ignorance does not mean stupid, just a lack of knowledge.
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Thank you. It's why I asked. I learn something new every day!
 
Mycroft said:
Don't you just love rumors? Perfect for employing speculation and innuendo to justify a point of view, aren't they?
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I'm excited, actually. It's going to fun to watch the witch hunt go after an American icon like the NRA.
 
holbritter said:
Who is McClatchy? Is this conspiracy talk?
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Newsweek picked it up. You might as well just accept that this is in line with all the other "fake" news stories that trump supporters grudgingly came around to accepting as true.

So you don't have to believe that the FBI investigation will necessarily go anywhere if you don't want to, but there is an FBI investigation just the same.
 
Somerville said:
Well, isn't this just special?



Where did the money come from? A group, well known for its 'conservative' ideology, somehow acquired enough money to spend THREE TIMES as much in 2016 as it did in 2012.


Hooray for the Citizens United decision -- as long as you don't give a **** about who is buying politicians these days.

I'm sure some of the usual standard-bearers for the right wing will immediately bring in George Soros, although they will have next to nothing to support their claims -- you can't change the minds of the True Believers no matter how much actual information one provides.
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Of course it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact of Hillary's position as a gun banner. :roll:

Hell, she campaigned on that position. During her campaign there were ever increasing firearm sales records being set because of her position on banning guns.

I think you need to use Occam's razor - Wikipedia for this one, and not a conspiracy theory.
 
holbritter said:
Who is McClatchy? Is this conspiracy talk?
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What are you arguing? All conspiracies are false? No one has ever conspired in human history, there's no such thing as organized crime?

Good ****ing luck with that "logic"!
 
RAMOSS said:
You don't seem to understand what is being investigated, and how that woudl work Yes, they are allowed to engange in political activies.. .. However, what is being investigated is the source of the funds that they used to put in the pro trump superpac they had. If the source of the funds was Russia, that makes it illegal.

Notice, I said 'IF'. An investigation is not showing someone is guilty.
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How is any of this "funneling money to Donald Trump's campaign" - this story has nothing to do with Trump's campaign. The question at issue is whether the NRA improperly spent money. They are allowed to take foreign contributions. They are not allowed to use those contributions on political ads, etc.
 
Cardinal said:
Newsweek picked it up. You might as well just accept that this is in line with all the other "fake" news stories that trump supporters grudgingly came around to accepting as true.

So you don't have to believe that the FBI investigation will necessarily go anywhere if you don't want to, but there is an FBI investigation just the same.
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Never said there wasn't, duh. Never heard of McClatchy, so ease up and stop seeing negative in everything.
 
Absentglare said:
What are you arguing? All conspiracies are false? No one has ever conspired in human history, there's no such thing as organized crime?

Good ****ing luck with that "logic"!
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The NRA has been under a microscope for decades. They aren't going to inadvertantly break the law, nor break the law thinking no one will notice.

This is going to wind up looking bad for the witch hunters.

There are 70-80 million gun owners in The United States. Do you really want to insure that they all start voting Republican?

From a political perspective, this is a suicide charge.
 
Absentglare said:
What are you arguing? All conspiracies are false? No one has ever conspired in human history, there's no such thing as organized crime?

Good ****ing luck with that "logic"!
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What the **** is with you guys?? I asked a ****ing question. I never heard of, or heard reference to McClatchy before. You guys are strung so tight you're going to snap.
 
Somerville said:
1) Dick Morris is a slimy character from the depths of the political world, often found on Fox News pontificating about those horrible Dems.

but 2) even Morris doesn't claim to have any proof, just making one of those "people are saying, ya know."
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So, no real argument? I knew you wouldn't have one.

Before you start calling anything you don't like a lie, maybe you should read the information I provided...

Now, in the last month of the 2012 race, Newsweek magazine has raised serious questions about Obama's fundraising and its possible reliance on foreign donors and outright fraud to generate its funding.
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Taylor said:
How is any of this "funneling money to Donald Trump's campaign" - this story has nothing to do with Trump's campaign. The question at issue is whether the NRA improperly spent money. They are allowed to take foreign contributions. They are not allowed to use those contributions on political ads, etc.
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That is what is being invesigated...and you do know that the NRA had a pro-Trump super pac. If they took money from foreign countries, and the forwarded it onto that super pac, that is exactly what is being investigated.
 
RAMOSS said:
It's perfectly feasible. Even if it was done, that doesn't mean the middle man knew they were being played as a middle man .. or that Trump's campaign was involved. However, it is entirely plausible.

You might want to deny it.. but it is feasible and plausible. It would preform the same function as a shell company
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I guess we'll wait for proof.
 
apdst said:
The NRA has been under a microscope for decades. They aren't going to inadvertantly break the law, nor break the law thinking no one will notice.

This is going to wind up looking bad for the witch hunters.

There are 70-80 million gun owners in The United States. Do you really want to insure that they all start voting Republican?

From a political perspective, this is a suicide charge.
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Do you really think the NRA demographic- which is NOT the gun ownership demographic- is voting for democrats now?
 
holbritter said:
What the **** is with you guys?? I asked a ****ing question. I never heard of, or heard reference to McClatchy before. You guys are strung so tight you're going to snap.
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I was referring to the "conspiracy talk" portion. I don't mind that you weren't already intimately familiar with McClatchy and i respect your response on that a great deal.

Of course, this is very preliminary reporting, we don't know if the NRA conspired, but let's not write it off just because it involves something that could be called conspiracy.
 
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