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S.Korea’s Moon says Trump deserves ‘big’ credit for North Korea talks

That is what you're doing by dismissing what Mr. Moon said.



Like I said, its a first step. If everything goes well perhaps NK will stop. Won't know though until that first step...which is always small...is taken. You seem to be expecting a running start. Nothing ever starts out with running.



Would you expect ANY country to do something unless there was a benefit to it? I wouldn't. The question is "what is the benefit that is being sought after?" Followed by "if we don't like the benefit is it possible to give some other benefit that they would take that would benefit us also?"



See, you simply cannot accept that Trumps actions and bluster may have very well led to this. You simply cannot accept anything that might be positive about Trump.

It's certainly possible that NK has had some change of heart in response to President Trump's reciprocative behavior. But this step of entering talks is far from unprecedented.

And, really, if this leads us on a path to lasting peace in the Korean peninsula, i can confidently say that the outcome is great. But i still have a problem with the path we took to get there: it was reckless to bluff North Korea and jeopardize our own credibility.
 
It's certainly possible that NK has had some change of heart in response to President Trump's reciprocative behavior. But this step of entering talks is far from unprecedented.

And, really, if this leads us on a path to lasting peace in the Korean peninsula, i can confidently say that the outcome is great. But i still have a problem with the path we took to get there: it was reckless to bluff North Korea and jeopardize our own credibility.

Many had a problem with the path we took to get to the moon. TOO DANGEROUS they said. Yet we still got there.
Many had a problem with Reagan's cold war approach...yet who came out on top?

Sometimes the best path to something is not via the easy and serene route, but the hard and bumpy route.

I don't know if this will lead to a lasting peace. But I hope it does. And even if we played a very small part of that, its quite possible that small part is what made the difference to get to that lasting peace.
 
It is clear that all heads of state have been well briefed as to the best way to curry favor with the Trump Administration. Yesterday’s press conference with the leader of Kazakhstan is a good example of the praising, fawning and deference used since the inauguration.



It all sounds so familiar...

 
What no links? Surely there is something with a favorable headline that you will provide....?

Prepare to be spammed with some really obscure nutjob sources.
 
Many had a problem with the path we took to get to the moon. TOO DANGEROUS they said. Yet we still got there.
Many had a problem with Reagan's cold war approach...yet who came out on top?

Sometimes the best path to something is not via the easy and serene route, but the hard and bumpy route.

I don't know if this will lead to a lasting peace. But I hope it does. And even if we played a very small part of that, its quite possible that small part is what made the difference to get to that lasting peace.

I hope it does as well. We'll see what happens.
 
It's flattering for President Trump; but you're right that i'm speculating, just like how Moon is speculating that it was President Trump's reckless and empty threats that brought NK to the table.

Ah yes... in Machiavellian fashion, do you think?

Chapter 23: Avoid Flatterers & Sycophants
You know who they are: the people around you who praise your every decision, who tell you how smart you are, how wise you are, how brave you are, what a nice suit you’re wearing today. These are the flatterers, the sycophants, the smooth talkers. They deceive you with lush words that make you feel good. And for the most part, it works. Who doesn’t want to bask in the adoration of others?

Flatterers, wrote Machiavelli in Chapter XXIII: How Flatterers Should be Avoided, swarm within the halls of government. They are dangerous because it’s so easy to fall for their lines:

“Men are so self-complacent in their own affairs, and so willing to deceive themselves, that they are rescued with difficulty from this pest. If they wish to defend themselves they run the risk of becoming contemptible.”

Few of us really like to be told we made a bad decision, or that we were wrong. Truth hurts. Being told we’re smarter than Einstein makes us feel a lot better. But unless we encourage people around us to tell the truth, we are vulnerable to their flattery:

http://ianchadwick.com/machiavelli/chapters-22-26/chapter-23-avoid-flatterers-sycophants/
 
Quote...

" Lee Woo-young, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul, said it was wise of Mr Moon to praise Mr Trump, his sanctions and pressure campaign. "

...to praise our President.
Looks as if our President Trump will be a shoe in for the Nobel Peace Prize. Someone who will truly deserves it...not this dude obama who made a mockery and insult to this covenant award...:peace
 
Quote...

" Lee Woo-young, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul, said it was wise of Mr Moon to praise Mr Trump, his sanctions and pressure campaign. "

...to praise our President.
Looks as if our President Trump will be a shoe in for the Nobel Peace Prize. Someone who will truly deserves it...not this dude obama who made a mockery and insult to this covenant award...:peace

While Obama certainly did not deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, Trump sure has heck doesn't either. He's wanting to "make our military stronger" and increase its size. That is not someone deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
It's flattering for President Trump; but you're right that i'm speculating, just like how Moon is speculating that it was President Trump's reckless and empty threats that brought NK to the table.

well he gave credit to Trump(don't remember him thanking the last president for anything involving NK) so I'm taking his judgement over yours. You just can't give Trump credit for ANYTHING so you have to come up with a rationale in your head to explain it. and I don't blame you. half the people on here do the same thing.
 
well he gave credit to Trump(don't remember him thanking the last president for anything involving NK) so I'm taking his judgement over yours. You just can't give Trump credit for ANYTHING so you have to come up with a rationale in your head to explain it. and I don't blame you. half the people on here do the same thing.

... President Moon Jae-in became president of South Korea in 2017, President Obama's presidency ended months before President Moon entered office, so he had no opportunity to thank President Obama as such.

President Obama rejected the idea of a nuclear powered North Korea. President Trump seems to not care if North Korea has nukes that can destroy the US, his tactic is a mix of acceptance that they'll have nukes and reciprocation of their bellicose rhetoric.
 
... President Moon Jae-in became president of South Korea in 2017, President Obama's presidency ended months before President Moon entered office, so he had no opportunity to thank President Obama as such.

President Obama rejected the idea of a nuclear powered North Korea. President Trump seems to not care if North Korea has nukes that can destroy the US, his tactic is a mix of acceptance that they'll have nukes and reciprocation of their bellicose rhetoric.

There was nothing to thank Obama for. He didn't anything but kick the can down the road.
 
"SEOUL — South Korean President Moon Jae-in credited United States President Donald Trump on Wednesday (Jan 10) for helping to spark the first inter-Korean talks in more than two years, and warned that Pyongyang would face stronger sanctions if provocations continued.

“I think President Trump deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks. I want to show my gratitude," Mr Moon told reporters at his New Year’s news conference. “It could be a resulting work of the US-led sanctions and pressure.”

The two Koreas held talks on Tuesday on the South Korean side of the demilitarised zone, which has divided the two nations since 1953, after a prolonged period of tension on the Korean peninsula over the North’s missile and nuclear programmes............

Lee Woo-young, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul, said it was wise of Mr Moon to praise Mr Trump, his sanctions and pressure campaign.

"By doing that, he can help the US build logic for moving toward negotiations and turning around the state of affairs in the future, so when they were ready to talk to the North, they can say the North came out of isolation because the sanctions were effective."..............

https://www.todayonline.com/world/skoreas-moon-says-trump-deserves-big-credit-north-korea-talks
I wonder when hos nobel peace prize is going to arrive?

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There was nothing to thank Obama for. He didn't anything but kick the can down the road.

I didn't say there was, President Obama continued the tactics of sanctions and diplomacy. President Trump is caving like a wet noodle with appeasement, while making a show of his bravado with his empty threats, which seems to have been successful in the same way the previous tactics were: bringing North Korea to the table.

Let's hope NK goes even further this time.
 
I didn't say there was, President Obama continued the tactics of sanctions and diplomacy. President Trump is caving like a wet noodle with appeasement, while making a show of his bravado with his empty threats, which seems to have been successful in the same way the previous tactics were: bringing North Korea to the table.

Let's hope NK goes even further this time.

How do you figure that? :lamo
 
I didn't say there was, President Obama continued the tactics of sanctions and diplomacy. President Trump is caving like a wet noodle with appeasement, while making a show of his bravado with his empty threats, which seems to have been successful in the same way the previous tactics were: bringing North Korea to the table.

Let's hope NK goes even further this time.
While i will agree that its too soon to call trumps approach a sucess or failure, what are you basing your claim of him caving on? What has he caved on?

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That is what you're doing by dismissing what Mr. Moon said.

I did quite the opposite, I highlighted Mr. Moons statement as a wise diplomatic decision.

Like I said, its a first step. If everything goes well perhaps NK will stop. Won't know though until that first step...which is always small...is taken. You seem to be expecting a running start. Nothing ever starts out with running.

I would love nothing more, than this to be a first step towards a peaceful and united Korean peninsula, it would genuinely give me a lot of joy and would be a glorious human achievement... But knowing North Korea like I do, you are being, even with the words "perhaps" "Small" and "first step" very over optimistic on what all this means.

Would you expect ANY country to do something unless there was a benefit to it? I wouldn't. The question is "what is the benefit that is being sought after?" Followed by "if we don't like the benefit is it possible to give some other benefit that they would take that would benefit us also?"

As in benefit its long term strategic goals, as it continues to develop its nuclear and missile technology it now has the world gripped in positive headlines regarding it's decision in this case, knowing North Korea like I do, we're all being taken for a ride here.

While DPRK may very well have developed Nuclear Weapons and seems to have very well reached a stage where its missile technology is competent enough to be a threat, the final stage is miniaturizing a warhead to mount on a missile which would give policy makers in Washington a final line to consider action before North Korea becomes a full fledged nuclear power and action becomes impossible.

This is very likely a smoke screen to obscure attention while it continues to make progress on these fronts, I would be saying this no matter who was President but the DPRK is playing way too nice here, they never do something like this, this easily and without ridiculous contentions and conditions, something is off with all of this.

See, you simply cannot accept that Trumps actions and bluster may have very well led to this. You simply cannot accept anything that might be positive about Trump.

Yes I cannot say it because it would be false, now I'm not the President of South Korea, concerned with the future of my entire country on which the military alliance with the United States may rest... So he had some major diplomatic considerations to take into account.

Trump took credit for the talks long before they were even concluded, January 4th.

Trump takes credit for recent talks between North and South Korea - CNNPolitics

Moon then gives credit January 9th as to not contradict the irrational Trump because everyone's worried about Trumps unpredictable and irrational behavior, all of this is more a testament to a US allies uneasy view of Trump as it is his actual achievements.

South Korea's Moon Jae-In credits Donald Trump with 'huge' contribution to North Korea talks - CNN

And the problem here as well, was Trumps own words on negotiating with North Korea in which he undercut his Sec State and said that negotiations were useless... So Kal how can he possibly take credit for the talks when he disowned the entire idea of talking with them in the first place?

And this is the problem, these points I'm making are not some wild eyed, made up things I am coming up with out of nowhere in a dark room by myself after 7 red bulls, these are things based on his own words and actions.

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Kal, I want nothing more, than to be wrong about all of this, I want this to be the first step in a massive improvement of relations between the Koreas and I know for myself, when and if they come out with that single Korean flag during the opening ceremony, I will get emotional, this subject for whatever reason has become extremely close to my heart, the heartless and calculated splitting of a people, of families decades ago and the subsequent evil that the Kim regime represents is something that weighs on my mind often, I can't really explain how I came to be so passionate on this subject but there it is.

But with all that in mind, North Korea never, ever plays this nice, this easily without seeking to exploit it for something that is not bound to be positive to South Korean or US interests.

If I am wrong, LET me be wrong because it would be great if I was.
 
As opposed to those that hear anything good about Trump automatically dismissing it and/or spinning it to where its actually a negative or people are simply "fawning"?

Pot...meet kettle.

Y'know, if Trump hadn't done what he HAS done so many times, you'd have a point. But Trump's performance (when it comes to passing major legislation when his party is in complete control of Congress) has been worse than any president in living history, and his conduct is worse than any president in our nation's history (and are you really going to try to dispute that?). That's why your point fails.
 
Y'know, if Trump hadn't done what he HAS done so many times, you'd have a point. But Trump's performance (when it comes to passing major legislation when his party is in complete control of Congress) has been worse than any president in living history, and his conduct is worse than any president in our nation's history (and are you really going to try to dispute that?). That's why your point fails.

Actually the Republicans do not have complete control of Congress. In the Senate the Republicans need 60 votes to pass a bill. They have 51 if they vote along party line. That is not "complete control" by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, Republicans have a majority, but having a majority, and being in complete control are two very different things.
 
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I did quite the opposite, I highlighted Mr. Moons statement as a wise diplomatic decision.

While dismissing it as being truthful. Tell me, can you dispute his claim that it was Trumps stance and sanctions that has helped lead to this cooperation?

I would love nothing more, than this to be a first step towards a peaceful and united Korean peninsula, it would genuinely give me a lot of joy and would be a glorious human achievement... But knowing North Korea like I do, you are being, even with the words "perhaps" "Small" and "first step" very over optimistic on what all this means.

Perhaps I am. :shrug: Nothing wrong with that. Gotta start somewhere's after all.

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If I am wrong, LET me be wrong because it would be great if I was.

I hope you are wrong too. But we won't know until we try. And I get why you don't like the way Trump is acting towards NK. Lots of people don't. Personally, I'm still withholding judgement on whether this particular issue will come out good or not. Because I fully agree with you on NK. They are highly manipulative, conniving, etc etc. But we'll never know for sure until we try. The only other way leads to war. And none of us actually want that. Not even Trump despite all the rhetoric. But I also recognize that past stances on NK have also all failed. Maybe this new way will actually do something. What exactly I don't know. But I can hope for a positive outcome. And I do know that sometimes people won't react unless you act towards them in a way that they can understand. Maybe Trumps bluster is what Kim understands. He sure hasn't understood any other stance so far.
 
Oh come on. You know as well as I do that all of this is just Russian propaganda to make CNN look bad.

The media spent two days trashing the doctor who gave Trump his physical claiming he lied. Yet he was the same honorable doctor who gave Bush and Obama their physicals. What they didn't cover was the fantastic news that unemployment among Blacks has dropped to just over 6% after being in double digits for years!

They didn't cover Chrysler building a new plant in Detroit that will employ thousands because they are shutting down an operation in Mexico. No they didn't cover that one instead they spent 3 days creating a ****storm over the term ****holes calling Trump a racist. Hmmmm.

Yet polling among Blacks and minorities show an uptick increase in support for Trump...... Is that what they are afraid of?

They are not going to give Trump credit for anything. But that's alright, the polls show the people are fed up with the media.
 
How do you figure that? :lamo

He's pushed NK into talks without demanding nuclear disarmament like his predecessors, President Obama included, did. He seems fine with the fact that NK has nukes that can reach our soil.
 
He's pushed NK into talks without demanding nuclear disarmament like his predecessors, President Obama included, did. He seems fine with the fact that NK has nukes that can reach our soil.

Demanding anything like that will never get anything done, but form a stalemate, just as has been done the entire time the NK's developed the nukes and the rockets to transport them... Like that has been working... :roll:

Your just ass hurt because Trump is lining up yet another "win" over the liberal/progressive mental midgets. :lamo
 
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