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Ohio Teacher Put on Leave After Lynching Remark to Black Student

TurtleDude said:
what serious silliness. screaming racism is the sign of a far lefty who cannot argue
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But I did argue. I put in the reasons why her comment was racist. You are the one that is actually not arguing your point. You are also using colorful language like "far lefty" and "SJW blatherings" and "hysterical left" which show you have no real substance in your argument. It's far easier for you to throw out labels.
 
Tuatara said:
You people are incredible. Do you even know what racists means? I'm sure you've heard all the comments about the Mexicans, Muslims, Haitians, Nigerians, Judge Ganzalo Curiel, etc etc. I don't need to repeat them . The problem here is you people have no idea what racist means. I don'y know if you noticed but the world has changed in the last 60-70 years. If Trump is considered moderate then you have a real problem with your political scale. It was laugh when many conservatives thought John Kerry to be "far left". John Kerry, the man who stated eve after all we knew about Iraq he would still vote to go to war. Now you believe Trump is a moderate.

At least I can back up my claims when I proclaim Trump or Renee Trole or certain posters here to be racists. Answer me truthfully and explain your in detail. Do you believe that the Teacher used a racist statement and do you believe Donald Trump has used racist bigotry in his language since he started his run for Presidency.
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The teachers comment was uncalled for and discriminatory to be sure. I'd call it more ignorance than racist though judging from what I've read.

I personally have never heard Trump say a generalized statement that declares all people of one ethnicity or religion to be subhuman or the like. Has he called Haiti a ****hole? Yes. Haiti, by many quantifiable metrics, is a ****hole.
Modern Day Slavery Haiti Restavek Children Photos
https://www.transparency.org/country/HTI

The rapist statement about Mexicans? Comes from predictions and estimations that many women crossing the border are horribly raped or mistreated by their guides or other people in that area. Here's a link from a website that I would consider to be fairly far to the liberal side: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

I never called Trump a moderate. I said he is much more moderate than previous candidates of years pasts. I said that he himself is a mild reformer or AT MOST a populist lite candidate. One accurate criticism you could have of Trump is that he is not very articulate and a lot of his statements are pretty open ended (many politicians speak like this to encompass and interest as many votes as possible) so I don't even know if this is necessarily a "wrong" thing to do.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what serious silliness. screaming racism is the sign of a far lefty who cannot argue
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You do not have to be racist (or even a bigot) to suggest that a student would (should or could) be attacked by their classmates for not having done their homework - just being a moron would suffice.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You do not have to be racist (or even a bigot) to suggest that a student would (should or could) be attacked by their classmates for not having done their homework - just being a moron would suffice.
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She used the word "Lynch" First she is punishing the whole class because of one child and using him as a scapegoat because of this. Second she is inciting violence. Third she used the word "lynch" to a black child.

The Lynching of Jesse Washington
Jesse Washington was a black teenage farmhand who was lynched in Waco, Texas, on May 15, 1916, in what became a well-known example of racially motivated lynching. Washington was convicted of raping and murdering Lucy Fryer, the wife of his white employer in rural Robinson, Texas. He was dragged out of the court by observers and lynched in front of Waco's city hall. Over 10,000 spectators, including city officials and police, gathered to watch the attack. There was a celebratory atmosphere at the event, and many children attended during their lunch hour. Members of the mob castrated Washington, cut off his fingers, and hung him over a bonfire. He was repeatedly lowered and raised over the fire for about two hours. After the fire was extinguished, his charred torso was dragged through the town and parts of his body were sold as souvenirs. A professional photographer took pictures as the event unfolded, providing rare imagery of a lynching in progress. The pictures were printed and sold as postcards in Waco.

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Look at the middle picture. Look closely at the smug smile the person on the right has. A man was beaten, castrated, hung and set on fire. This was a dark part of American history. This did not happen once. It did not happen a few times. It happened thousands of times. Over 4700 times to be exact. Is this something your ashamed of or proud of. These people died horribly and unjustly. Do not, I repeat do not let let their deaths be trivialized as PC or not understanding why comments like the Teacher's are blatant racism. Again, look at the guy smiling in the middle picture. If that doesn't disgust you then you really need help.
 
Koke said:
The teachers comment was uncalled for and discriminatory to be sure. I'd call it more ignorance than racist though judging from what I've read.

I personally have never heard Trump say a generalized statement that declares all people of one ethnicity or religion to be subhuman or the like.
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Doesn't have to be subhuman. Stating all black men are good basketball players is racist.


Has he called Haiti a ****hole? Yes. Haiti, by many quantifiable metrics, is a ****hole.
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He stated in June 2017 that "immigrants from Haiti all have AIDS”. That is a racist/bigoted comment. And while we are talking about Haiti check out to see how Haiti got the way it is.

https://www.haitiinfo.nl/images/pdf/Why_is_Haiti_so_poor_Bob_Corbett.pdf



The rapist statement about Mexicans? Comes from predictions and estimations that many women crossing the border are horribly raped or mistreated by their guides or other people in that area. Here's a link from a website that I would consider to be fairly far to the liberal side: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html
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He stated that Mexicans were rapists, not rape victims. BIG difference.
 
Tuatara said:
Doesn't have to be subhuman. Stating all black men are good basketball players is racist.


He stated in June 2017 that "immigrants from Haiti all have AIDS”. That is a racist/bigoted comment. And while we are talking about Haiti check out to see how Haiti got the way it is.

https://www.haitiinfo.nl/images/pdf/Why_is_Haiti_so_poor_Bob_Corbett.pdf



He stated that Mexicans were rapists, not rape victims. BIG difference.
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Doesn't have to be subhuman. Stating all black men are good basketball players is racist.
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Is saying "Generally speaking, black men are disproportionately better at basketball than other ethnic groups." racist?

He stated in June 2017 that "immigrants from Haiti all have AIDS”. That is a racist/bigoted comment. And while we are talking about Haiti check out to see how Haiti got the way it is.

https://www.haitiinfo.nl/images/pdf/...ob_Corbett.pdf
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The complicated issue of Haiti's poverty is not something I could go over in a few sentences. Some of it is due to enslavement and French policy but a lot Haiti's struggle is mirrored in other African countries that saw very little to no colonialism. I refuse the narrative that the poverty in these countries can be solely explained with slavery, colonialism, or racism. If you disagree further with me on this point I can go into detail.

He stated that Mexicans were rapists, not rape victims. BIG difference.
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I think the implication was that, typically, the immigrants coming over are being raped by Mexican guides, thugs, or drifters. Like it says in that article and many others, the majority of the reported cases seem to occur in Mexico and on the way over not necessarily when they reach the United States.
 
Koke said:
Is saying "Generally speaking, black men are disproportionately better at basketball than other ethnic groups." racist?
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No, that comment would not be racist. It might be over-simplifying.

The complicated issue of Haiti's poverty is not something I could go over in a few sentences.
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Same here. There are many reasons. I just thought it was a little ironic for your President to call Haiti a sh**hole when they (The USA) had a large hand in creating that situation. Yes there are many other factors involved but it was not a time for any American to get on their high horse over Haiti.
Some of it is due to enslavement and French policy but a lot Haiti's struggle is mirrored in other African countries that saw very little to no colonialism. I refuse the narrative that the poverty in these countries can be solely explained with slavery, colonialism, or racism. If you disagree further with me on this point I can go into detail.
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I do disagree on some points but you are right. Here is not the place to discuss the reasons for Haiti's plight. I do encourage you to read the paper I linked. I found the Language reason to be quite fascinating and depressing.



I think the implication was that, typically, the immigrants coming over are being raped by Mexican guides, thugs, or drifters. Like it says in that article and many others, the majority of the reported cases seem to occur in Mexico and on the way over not necessarily when they reach the United States.
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Trump was not talking about that. Even after his comment about them (Mexicans) being murderers and rapists he stated Mexico was sending in their worst. This was never about any Mexican victims.
 
Tuatara said:
Trump was not talking about that. Even after his comment about them (Mexicans) being murderers and rapists he stated Mexico was sending in their worst. This was never about any Mexican victims.
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These victims surely are going to be traumatized, no? Can we be rest assured the perpetrators also aren't entering the country? Crime rates of all kinds are very inflated in Mexico relative to the United States outside of massive population centers.

I already said Trump tends to leave a lot of statements open ended and ambiguous to cover large swathes of a voting base. Almost every politician does this and while you and I might disagree with the merits of it, it's the reality in any country that operates like ours. It's how you win.
 
Tuatara said:
But I did argue. I put in the reasons why her comment was racist. You are the one that is actually not arguing your point. You are also using colorful language like "far lefty" and "SJW blatherings" and "hysterical left" which show you have no real substance in your argument. It's far easier for you to throw out labels.
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sounds like projection to me
 
TurtleDude said:
you mean like white kids who get turned down at prestigious universities in favor of black kids with lower GPAs and ACT/SAT scores?
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No, I mean like black students who can't enroll for postsecondary education because systemic discrimination was built into the education system and racism left a legacy of overlooking black applicants.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
No, I mean like black students who can't enroll for postsecondary education because systemic discrimination was built into the education system and racism left a legacy of overlooking black applicants.
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I turn 59 soon. That certainly has happened in the past but not since I can remember.
 
Tuatara said:
I stated that she should not be fired for her remark but for not understanding that her remark was offensive. If anyone should know that her remark was offensive it should be a history teacher.
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People make mistakes. She had a good record for 22 years. She apologized for what she said. I hardly think we need to shoot her in the head.
 
TurtleDude said:
When the hysterical left scream racism, it means they have lost. Your stupid insults have no sting. the SJW rabble have over used that term and it has no meaning.
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That's unfair. I don't believe you're racist, but sometimes the left calls racism because something racist has occurred.
 
Koke said:
It always makes me belly laugh every time people unironically say Trump is an evil racist. Approaching it from a logical point, he has never said anything that in a REMOTELY logical environment could be construed as directly racist. The word "racist" has been so devalued and propagandized that it can be used for almost anything at this point.

Trump is a mild reformer and AT MOST you could maybe say he is a populist lite candidate. He is much more moderate than even his leftist predecessors of 60 - 70 years ago. What's more is I don't think people like you quite understand what your doing when you say stuff like this. These comments work like acid on the centrist and moderate axle which pushes them either farther left or right. This kind of rhetoric ultimately is not going to end well unless you don't stop salting the wound.
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Someone made this same argument about the word "homophobic" in another thread last week. While I think that "racist" is overused moreso than "homophobic", both of those words still have meanings that describe discriminatory behavior. Plenty of racist and homophobic people exist. Those people and even people who are not those things do and say plenty of racist and homophobic things every day.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Someone made this same argument about the word "homophobic" in another thread last week. While I think that "racist" is overused moreso than "homophobic", both of those words still have meanings that describe discriminatory behavior. Plenty of racist and homophobic people exist. Those people and even people who are not those things do and say plenty of racist and homophobic things every day.
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I never claimed that the word didn't have meaning. I claimed that its overuse has devalued the meaning of the word in terms of what it means by definition. There needs to be a distinction between mindless hate and uncomfortable realities that need be discussed when addressing policy issues among other things.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
That's unfair. I don't believe you're racist, but sometimes the left calls racism because something racist has occurred.
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and in many cases the left screams racism in an attempt to shut down debate it is losing.
 
TurtleDude said:
I turn 59 soon. That certainly has happened in the past but not since I can remember.
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I can't say whether that's true or not. I can say that there is a lot of evidence and support for continuing affirmative action, at least for now, because the effects of discrimination that I am describing have not been remedied.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56703e08e4b0e292150f40c4

https://www.theatlantic.com/educati...ect-black-students-college-enrollment/543360/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-affirmativeaction-idUSKCN0Z91N3
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
She's a white middle school teacher in suburban OH. She is almost definitely a conservative. That doesn't change my opinion about this story nor the opinion of any other morally consistent person.
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She is white?

Or is it that u just want her to be a white conservative
 
Koke said:
I never claimed that the word didn't have meaning. I claimed that its overuse has devalued the meaning of the word in terms of what it means by definition. There needs to be a distinction between mindless hate and uncomfortable realities that need be discussed when addressing policy issues among other things.
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Well, yes, there does, but not all racist words and actions stem from mindless hate. A consideration of degree is appropriate, but "uncomfortable realities", if I understand your meaning, can still be racist.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
AA is necessary to combat the effects of discrimination. That's my point.
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I disagree that reparations or specific policy benefiting any one ethnic group is always the best approach to mending racial performance differences.

The cohesion of the black family prior to the welfare state was even stronger than the cohesion of the white family. They were making strides to reach the middle class and although there was still a lot of work to do, progress was evident. I think infantalizing any group of people and telling them they need the assistance of a government, whether it be conscious or subconscious, is somewhat humiliating.

Not only that, but you've got Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians (some of the highest IQ groups) who are also disproportionately harmed with AA.
 
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