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Arpaio not surprised by erroneous Hawaiian missile alert, points to state's handling of [W:181]

Re: Arpaio not surprised by erroneous Hawaiian missile alert, points to state's handling of 'phony'

PleasantValley said:
Not wanting to have this moved to the CT forum, but am I the only one that thinks this whole "mistake" was some kind of scare tactic used to further a NOKO agenda?
I don't think is was some accident, nor do i believe they were working all that hard to send out an 'Oh, crap, we make a mistake" message.
Not when the original one said " this is NO DRILL ".
That does not sound like an accident to me.

There, I said what needed to be said.
Bye.
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I don't think that is crazy...but this is juicy.

HONOLULU, HI (WCMH) – Under fresh scrutiny after the weekend’s ballistic missile alert, internet users found a seemingly worrisome photo taken at Hawaii’s EMA headquarters.

A photo taken during an Associated Press tour at the EMA’s headquarters in July 2017 shows a Post-It note stuck to a computer screen with a password written on it.
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Photo shows password stuck to screen at Hawaii?s emergency management office | NBC4i.com
 
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poweRob said:
Do you need a tissue when you enter your safe space?
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Leave it to you to continue the insulting. Thanks for making my point for me.
 
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beefheart said:
You have no clue as to AZ politics. Arpaio lost his last race by double digits in Maricopa county, where the vast majority of votes in AZ lie. The second largest county is very left leaning. He is dead in AZ. New poll out today found him far behind in the primary. Not to matter, Kristen Sinema, the Democrat is going to win this seat, she has very high favor-ability all over the state, and she is a good person. Arpaio, Ward and McSally are morons.
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Are you of the opinion I was boosting Arpaio? If so, please re-read my post. He is a waste of good air. And while I may not be intimate with details of AZ politics, I spent the 15 years, (53-68), of my life in the desert outside of Peoria. I still have a sister and nephews in Glendale.
 
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trblmkr said:
Are you of the opinion I was boosting Arpaio? If so, please re-read my post. He is a waste of good air. And while I may not be intimate with details of AZ politics, I spent the 15 years, (53-68), of my life in the desert outside of Peoria. I still have a sister and nephews in Glendale.
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My bad, I misread your post, sorry for the confusion.

He has no chance, either in the primary or in the general.
 
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Cardinal said:
If Jesus loves me then Arpaio will win the primary.

Here are the Democratic candidates at this point: Deedra Abboud, Bob Bishop, Chris Russell, Richard Sherzan, and Kyrsten Sinema. For the record, I don't know any of these people.
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I spent Christmas week in Arizona with my family. First time there. It's absolutely lovely. Much too pretty a place for a moronic troglodyte like Arpaio to be dirtying up.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
"Prosecutors used Arpaio’s own words against him, pointing to several media appearances throughout the years, including a Univision interview in March 2012 in which he admitted that he was still targeting people based on immigration status.

“'If they don’t like what I’m doing,' he said, addressing his opponents, 'get the laws changed in Washington.'

"In an interview with Fox News two months later, Arpaio said he was going to continue arresting immigrants in the country illegally: 'I’m not going to give it up. I’m going to continue to enforce state laws and federal laws.'”

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-joe-arpaio-verdict-20170706-story,amp.html

It is not an abuse of position for a judge to find a defendant who is proven to break the law guilty.
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It's telling that you think arresting people for breaking the law is breaking the law.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I spent Christmas week in Arizona with my family. First time there. It's absolutely lovely. Much too pretty a place for a moronic troglodyte like Arpaio to be dirtying up.
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Glad you enjoyed it. I'm a native, and pretty proud of my state, it is a great place to live...but our politicians.....oy...
 
Re: Arpaio not surprised by erroneous Hawaiian missile alert, points to state's handling of 'phony'

beefheart said:
No, the judge wasn't. Arpaio broke the law, he ignored a federal judge's order, he should be rotting in jail.

Not to worry, he has zero chance of winning the primary, but he is only running to fund raise, and he desperately needs attention.
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Arpaio broke the law? Prove it. He was refused his right to trial by jury and was condemn via judicial fiat.
 
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Fishking said:
Arpaio broke the law? Prove it. He was refused his right to trial by jury and was condemn via judicial fiat.
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Judicial "fiat"! That sounds....terrible! Where where his lawyers?

And the best possible evidence about his law breaking is he was, you know, found GUILTY in a court of law. It was in the news and everything!!

The decision can be found here.
 
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Fishking said:
Arpaio broke the law? Prove it. He was refused his right to trial by jury and was condemn via judicial fiat.
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Well, he was found guilty in a trial for breaking the law.

That is pretty much proof.

The trial by jury thing is a red herring that you want to believe.

Guilty
 
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Fishking said:
Arpaio broke the law? Prove it. He was refused his right to trial by jury and was condemn via judicial fiat.
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BTW, in the civil case Arpaio actually admitted guilt. You really need to read more facts and not the Arpaio propaganda.

Joe Arpaio Admits Guilt in Civil Contempt Case, Seeks to Avoid April Hearing | Phoenix New Times

In a bombshell filing in federal court Tuesday, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Chief Deputy Jerry Sheridan admitted that they are guilty of civil contempt, in a blatant attempt to avoid an upcoming civil trial before U.S. District Court Judge G. Murray Snow.

Since earlier this year, when Snow ordered a four day civil contempt hearing to address allegations that Arpaio and four former and current aides have disobeyed the judge's orders in the ACLU's big racial profiling case, Melendres v. Arpaio, the sheriff and his co-defendants have sought to wiggle out of the de facto trial, scheduled for April.
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/03/18/arpaio-admits-contempt/24963155/

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has admitted he violated several federal court orders resulting from a long-running racial-profiling suit, a confession that comes a month before he was scheduled to respond to allegations of contempt.

In a Wednesday filing, attorneys for Arpaio and Chief Deputy Jerry Sheridan consented to a finding of civil contempt and said it was unnecessary to go forward with a contempt hearing scheduled for April 21-24.

Attorneys representing the Sheriff's Office suggested that possible remedies might include Arpaio admitting violations of the court's orders in a "public forum" and requesting a compensation fund footed by Maricopa County taxpayers.

"Defendants acknowledge and appreciate that they have violated the Court's orders and that there are consequences for these violations," the statement reads.
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JasperL said:
Judicial "fiat"! That sounds....terrible! Where where his lawyers?

And the best possible evidence about his law breaking is he was, you know, found GUILTY in a court of law. It was in the news and everything!!

The decision can be found here.
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Yeah, he was denied a jury by his peers and the ruling came from one person. That's a breech of his rights and is most definitely judicial fiat. If he was actually guilty of something then they would've gone for bigger charges than some BS trumped up charge, and a 6 month prison sentence. He got that because they had nothing.
 
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beefheart said:
BTW, in the civil case Arpaio actually admitted guilt. You really need to read more facts and not the Arpaio propaganda.

Joe Arpaio Admits Guilt in Civil Contempt Case, Seeks to Avoid April Hearing | Phoenix New Times

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/03/18/arpaio-admits-contempt/24963155/
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If they had real charges against him then why did they settle for something so chicken-**** as what he got? Answer: Because they didn't have a real case so they kept to to minor charges that carried a maximum of a 6 month sentence, as that has illegitimately been decided that that level of charge doesn't require a trial by jury.
 
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beefheart said:
Well, he was found guilty in a trial for breaking the law.

That is pretty much proof.

The trial by jury thing is a red herring that you want to believe.

Guilty
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Judicial fiat, by definition.
 
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Fishking said:
Judicial fiat, by definition.
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You asked me what he was guilty of, I delivered. (and you got owned)

Now, you just get pissy and butthurt and move the goalposts.

Typical.
 
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Fishking said:
Yeah, he was denied a jury by his peers and the ruling came from one person. That's a breech of his rights and is most definitely judicial fiat.
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Except it's not a breach of his rights, his own lawyers didn't even argue that, nor is a bench trial judicial fiat, but common practice given the charge and sentence.

If he was actually guilty of something then they would've gone for bigger charges than some BS trumped up charge, and a 6 month prison sentence. He got that because they had nothing.
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He was charged, there was a trial, and he was found guilty of "something" - criminal contempt. I linked to the judge's order. You've not alleged a single word of it was incorrect, so I'm confused what it is you're actually arguing here.

It's like you're in an alternative reality BEFORE the trial, etc. There isn't any more "if" - it happened, it's in the record, done deal. I know we're in the Trump era where right wingers believe facts are optional, but this is a bizarre conversation - we're getting into territory resembling "sovereign citizen" ramblings here. :confused:
 
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JasperL said:
Except it's not a breach of his rights, his own lawyers didn't even argue that, nor is a bench trial judicial fiat, but common practice given the charge and sentence.



He was charged, there was a trial, and he was found guilty of "something" - criminal contempt. I linked to the judge's order. You've not alleged a single word of it was incorrect, so I'm confused what it is you're actually arguing here.

It's like you're in an alternative reality BEFORE the trial, etc. There isn't any more "if" - it happened, it's in the record, done deal. I know we're in the Trump era where right wingers believe facts are optional, but this is a bizarre conversation - we're getting into territory resembling "sovereign citizen" ramblings here. :confused:
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And.....Arpaio admitted guilt in the civil trial.

He is a well known scumbag and liar..that is why he got his ass kicked in the last election.
 
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JasperL said:
Except it's not a breach of his rights, his own lawyers didn't even argue that, nor is a bench trial judicial fiat, but common practice given the charge and sentence.
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-loses-bid-jury-trial-contempt-case/98651602/

"Former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has lost his bid to have a jury decide whether he should be convicted of a criminal contempt-of-court charge for disobeying a court order in a racial-profiling case.

Instead, the misdemeanor case against Arpaio will be decided by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton, who in a ruling Wednesday rejected arguments that a jury trial was needed to avoid appearance of bias by another judge who had recommended the criminal charge against the retired lawman."

So that part is just factually wrong. Now for the other part, that's incorrect, where you said that his rights weren't violated.

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
 
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Fishking said:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-loses-bid-jury-trial-contempt-case/98651602/

"Former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has lost his bid to have a jury decide whether he should be convicted of a criminal contempt-of-court charge for disobeying a court order in a racial-profiling case.

Instead, the misdemeanor case against Arpaio will be decided by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton, who in a ruling Wednesday rejected arguments that a jury trial was needed to avoid appearance of bias by another judge who had recommended the criminal charge against the retired lawman."

So that part is just factually wrong. Now for the other part, that's incorrect, where you said that his rights weren't violated.

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
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Arpaio tried to get a higher court to rule in his favor on the trial, but they failed.


Bolton said people have no right to jury trials in cases in which their potential jail sentences are limited to six months or less. She also wrote that Snow’s motives aren’t relevant in determining whether Arpaio intentionally defied the court order.

Prosecutors argued the media-savvy Arpaio was trying to turn the trial into a political spectacle by having a jury hear the case.
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/03/02/former-sheriff-joe-arpaio-loses-bid-jury-trial-contempt-case/98651602/
 
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/arizona/articles/2017-10-02/arpaio-loses-bid-to-get-jury-trial-in-his-now-pardoned-case

Arpaio Loses Bid to Get Jury Trial in His Now-Pardoned Case
The U.S. Supreme Court has denied former Sheriff Joe Arpaio's request for a jury trial in his criminal case that ultimately ended with President Donald Trump pardoning the lawman.

Oct. 2, 2017, at 3:13 p.m.

Arpaio Loses Bid to Get Jury Trial in His Now-Pardoned Case

PHOENIX (AP) — The U.S. Supreme Court has denied former Sheriff Joe Arpaio's request for a jury trial in his criminal case that ultimately ended with President Donald Trump pardoning the lawman.

The nation's highest court rejected Arpaio's petition on Monday.

Before his criminal trial this summer, Arpaio unsuccessfully sought a jury trial.

His attorneys believe Arpaio would have fared better before a jury.

Instead, the case was decided by a judge found him guilty of contempt of court for intentionally disobeying a court order in an immigration case.

The lawman kept pursuing the request after he was convicted.

Arpaio attorney Jack Wilenchik says it would have been difficult for the Supreme Court to take up the case at this point, given that the pardon is ending the lawman's criminal case.
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beefheart said:
Arpaio tried to get a higher court to rule in his favor on the trial, but they failed.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/03/02/former-sheriff-joe-arpaio-loses-bid-jury-trial-contempt-case/98651602/
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I must have missed the part of the Constitution where it has the clause that makes the 6th Amendment was null in void if the sentence is 6 months or less.
 
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Fishking said:
If they had real charges against him then why did they settle for something so chicken-**** as what he got? Answer: Because they didn't have a real case so they kept to to minor charges that carried a maximum of a 6 month sentence, as that has illegitimately been decided that that level of charge doesn't require a trial by jury.
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No particular reason to pick this comment out, but Sheriff Joe tells us how illegitimate your so-called "libertarianism" is in practice. What his deputies did on his behalf should offend every libertarian principle, which is an authoritarian government stopping residents with no probable cause of any kind except for the possibility that they might be in this country illegally. It's a lot closer to a police state than a libertarian environment.

Where does Sheriff Joe's warrantless and suspicion free (except for racist assumptions about skin color) stops fall into the libertarian ideology - "papers please!!", interfering with the free movement of labor, people seeking work and entering into voluntary agreements with employers, etc?

Even if you're one of those "libertarians" who believe in the free movement of capital, but not labor (which always seemed odd to me as a defensible principle), then how does a "libertarian" support cops pulling people over for no reason other than mere suspicion that they are undocumented? It's an excuse for cops to AT LEAST stop any person who even appears "Hispanic" for any reason, which seems pretty f'ing easily abused to me.
 
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Fishking said:
I must have missed the part of the Constitution where it has the clause that makes the 6th Amendment was null in void if the sentence is 6 months or less.
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I guess you did, but the US Supreme court didn't. :lamo

You need to keep up on the actual news, not the spoo that Arpaio (who admitted his guilt) wants you to believe.
 
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JasperL said:
No particular reason to pick this comment out, but Sheriff Joe tells us how illegitimate your so-called "libertarianism" is in practice. What his deputies did on his behalf should offend every libertarian principle, which is an authoritarian government stopping residents with no probable cause of any kind except for the possibility that they might be in this country illegally. It's a lot closer to a police state than a libertarian environment.
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I see, I see...you don't care that none of it was proven or provable. If it weren't so, then he'd have been tried for those things.
 
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