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Trump tweets DACA 'probably dead' - CNN today

iguanaman said:
And you blame them for that? You clearly do not know what dreamers even are.
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They're in their 30th and 40th by now, have been in this country illegally for probably more than 20 years, know how to apply for free education, maybe even a job, healthcare benefits and some snap and other welfare programs ... but don't know how to apply for a green card.
 
iguanaman said:
And you blame them for that? You clearly do not know what dreamers even are.
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I'm not blaming them. I'm pointing out factually that they are in this country illegally. Your trying to burn down a strawman here. DACA is trying to protect illegal immigrants and if it's not repealed it is granting amnesty.
 
reinoe said:
It doesn't matter where YOU went to school because for 99% of all schools it doesn't matter where you go, it won't come close to covering everything.
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Again - especially for those who have a hard time with reading comprehension.

Of course it's not all about me. There are LOTS of colleges out there that a Pell Grant will cover. Lots. You just have to look for them, and not expect to get into bigger colleges, or ivy leagues, etc.

But keep on stomping your feet and holding your breath because you don't believe me. Makes your argument so much more valid. :lol:
 
reinoe said:
I'm not blaming them. I'm pointing out factually that they are in this country illegally. Your trying to burn down a strawman here. DACA is trying to protect illegal immigrants and if it's not repealed it is granting amnesty.
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So you are punishing them for something they had no control over and kicking them out of the only country they have ever known. It is beyond heartless. Yet is perfectly OK to buy your way in.

WPBF Investigates: How rich foreigners are buying their way into America
 
iguanaman said:
Amnesty for what crime is that? Being born? That's not very "pro-life" is it?
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Yes actually. Amnesty for being born to criminal parents. It's sad they need this, but I think it's the right thing to do.
 
JacksinPA said:
Trump tweets DACA is 'probably Dead" - CNNPolitics

(CNN) President Donald Trump again blamed Democrats on Sunday for the stall in talks over a potential immigration deal as the threat of a government shutdown looms this Friday.

"DACA is probably dead because the Democrats don't really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military," Trump tweeted Sunday morning.
In a second tweet a few minutes later, he wrote: "I, as President, want people coming into our Country who are going to help us become strong and great again, people coming in through a system based on MERIT. No more Lotteries! #AMERICA FIRST."
Trump's tweets came just hours after his administration resumed receiving renewal applications for "Dreamers" under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program following a federal court order blocking the administration from ending the program.
The program has protected undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children from being deported. The administration announced the end of DACA in September, with recipients beginning to lose their status in early March.
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What surprises me about this is that he didn't blame it on Obama.
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Blaming Obama for DACA would be like blaming Jonas Salk for the Polio vaccine.
 
Cardinal said:
Ah yes, the ****ing wall. So Trump wants a wall, which has 35% support from the public, versus Democrats who want DACA, which has 79% support from the public.

If Trump goes through with this little showdown, public sentiment is going to eat him alive.



https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_092117/
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Like how nearly every specialist brought in by the left thought such sentiment would eat him alive during the election..?

Yeah, I don't see that happening. Unless the universe decides to do a complete 180, out of nowhere.
 
j-mac said:
Why would he do that when the blame is clearly Durbin, Pelosi, Schumer, and Graham.

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Don't put any ounce of that on Pelosi, because we both know she does just barely enough to count for keeping her seat.
 
Superfly said:
*ding, ding, ding, ding, ding*

Give that man a prize.

That has been the end game from the beginning. That's why it's OK for people from European countries to come here, but not OK for people from central or south American countries, or people from Africa, or the Caribbean.
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So why is it that legal immigration coming in from no-white majority countries. Is still a high number?
 
holbritter said:
The Democrats shouldn't be playing at all. And if they really gave a **** about DACA they would give a little.
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They should have given into letting DACA die as a program, but letting those that were already here have several protections to continue living in the US. So far as they can maintain a clean record perhaps.
Or leave options open for another program to be started in the future to completely replace DACA in general.
 
Puigb said:
you don't know how Trump works, do you?
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Ok thanks for showing that you don't understand how bills work that is all i needed to know.
and before you copy my response and substitute trump in there the fact is you failed to answer the question
and instead deflected.

Trump can't do anything without a bill from congress.
 
Cardinal said:
The reason trump has basically no leverage here is because there are two tangible issues at stake that people grasp beyond the mere abstract principle of "border security": the wall and DACA. People know how they feel about these things, and the overwhelming majority of the public has concluded that the wall is idiotic and that kicking people who've lived here since childhood out of the country is cruel. You're free to believe that the wall is necessary and that we should totally kick the little bastards out, but that would put you in the shallow end of public opinion.
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"It was only 11 years ago that a majority of Senate Democrats voted in favor of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which called for 700 miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-werent-always-super-liberal-on-immigration/

"WASHINGTON — As a senator, Barack Obama once offered measured praise for the border control legislation that would become the basis for one of Donald Trump’s first acts as president.

“The bill before us will certainly do some good,” Obama said on the Senate floor in October 2006. He praised the legislation, saying it would provide “better fences and better security along our borders” and would “help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...ts-embraced/QE7ieCBXjXVxO63pLMTe9O/story.html

And finally...

There is some truth to what you say, if you are relying on polling on the subject, and certain polls that skew their results through misleading questioning, or ridiculous sample weighting...A real good article on it is here Americans support a border wall more than the media wants to believe | TheHill

IOW, We are only talking about roughly 600 miles of border barrier to build, and it should be built...

But, it should be clear that liberal democrats are holding these DACA recipiants hostage in their ongoing BS toward Trump....
 
JacksinPA said:
Well, I haven't been keeping score but it seems he blames everything else that goes wrong on Obama. It's either a personality thing or a racial thing. Given DJT's record on equal opportunity housing in NYC & his recent vulgar comments, I'd bet on the latter.
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Nope..."the vulgar comments" were made up by 'little' Dick Durbin....typical.
 
JacksinPA said:
Hey, a much cheaper alternative to the fence would be mine fields. The U.S. never gave up on land mines, claiming an exception for Korea
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ter-judge-blocks-end-to-program-idUSKBN1F306B
but it appears to be common knowledge that they are used in the perimeter defense around Guantanamo Bay in Cuba also
https://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/07/15/cubas-berlin-wall-mines-barbed-wire-and-sharks/ The locals report hearing occasional explosions from the direction of the base, probably triggered by local wild life.

Why not in Texas, AZ & NM? Save millions of $$$. We have plenty in stock in Army munitions depots, price marked down for the holidays. And think of all the jobs that would be created making the many thousands of warning signs that would read 'Campo de Minas'.
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:lamo No....When democrats are in then you can suggest to them that munitions be used...Til then, negotiate in good faith or get lost.
 
Oborosen said:
Don't put any ounce of that on Pelosi, because we both know she does just barely enough to count for keeping her seat.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/nancy-pelosi-five-white-guys-immigration-daca/

Nah, Pelosi is the leader of the minority....She is absolutely responsible along with those I mentioned, and 'lyin, little' Dick Durbin for blowing up this thing....Look, Democrats USE their constituents for political goals. They're not in it to help anyone but themselves for power.
 
reinoe said:
https://www.admissions.uga.edu/prospective-students/tuition-fees


https://www2.ed.gov/programs/fpg/index.html

Liberals can't win on the truth that's why they constantly make false statements. DACA is just amnesty and the American people need to stop pretending its not.
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....or, if you want the truth, DACA is either amnesty or bigotry, depending on whether you are for or against....

Sorry, but making complex issues too simple does not do justice to the truth nor does it deliver justice to the people affected.

You do realize that most of the people affected by DACA have nothing to do with the decision to be in this country and most have no connection to any other country than the United States. There is a real human plight beneath the issue we call "DACA" Show some compassion to your fellow man. You are your brother's keeper.

https://undocu.berkeley.edu/legal-support-overview/what-is-daca/
 
JacksinPA said:
Trump tweets DACA is 'probably Dead" - CNNPolitics

(CNN) President Donald Trump again blamed Democrats on Sunday for the stall in talks over a potential immigration deal as the threat of a government shutdown looms this Friday.

"DACA is probably dead because the Democrats don't really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military," Trump tweeted Sunday morning.
In a second tweet a few minutes later, he wrote: "I, as President, want people coming into our Country who are going to help us become strong and great again, people coming in through a system based on MERIT. No more Lotteries! #AMERICA FIRST."
Trump's tweets came just hours after his administration resumed receiving renewal applications for "Dreamers" under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program following a federal court order blocking the administration from ending the program.
The program has protected undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children from being deported. The administration announced the end of DACA in September, with recipients beginning to lose their status in early March.
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What surprises me about this is that he didn't blame it on Obama.
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Well, if it is dead then it is Graham and Durbin who killed it.

Trump stated in the televised meeting that he was ready to work with Congress and would sign whatever they negotiated, and the nitwits couldn't hold it together through the first private meeting, charging out the door with the meaningless "****hole" narrative and calling Trump a racist. Screw that noise. If the DACA proponents can't manage to make it through one meeting without screaming in terror at course language then they can go talk to their prized DACA nearly-constituents about how the screwed them over.

Make no mistake, the judge's ruling will be overturned on the DACA EO, and after that Durbin can do some navel gazing and ponder why it is that his divisive Bull**** blew up in his face.
 
upsideguy said:
....or, if you want the truth, DACA is either amnesty or bigotry, depending on whether you are for or against....

Sorry, but making complex issues too simple does not do justice to the truth nor does it deliver justice to the people affected.

You do realize that most of the people affected by DACA have nothing to do with the decision to be in this country and most have no connection to any other country than the United States. There is a real human plight beneath the issue we call "DACA" Show some compassion to your fellow man. You are your brother's keeper.

https://undocu.berkeley.edu/legal-support-overview/what-is-daca/
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You tell him that making complex issues too simple does not do justice to the truth and yet you did the very same thing and then tried to use an emotionalist argument.

Funny. And sad.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You tell him that making complex issues too simple does not do justice to the truth and yet you did the very same thing and then tried to use an emotionalist argument.

Funny. And sad.
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Rather odd post on your part. It seems you reacted emotionally without ever reading or considering my post. If you note (which you did not) I offered a cite that had a cold, objective definition of the people affected by DACA, that was extracted direct from the law. It had no emotion.

The other part of my argument was to show the poster this is a policy that affects people (and families). I was expanding the thought horizons here to separate this from the normal problem of illegal immigration: the people affected made no decision to be here alnd have no place to go. Now, that is a fact. If it seems like an emotional appeal, then perhaps that is your conscience talking (maybe you should listen), not me. The reference to your "brother's keeper" is a commandment from God.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Loving-Foreigners

I don't consider invoking what God commanded us to do as 'emotional'.

The post I responded to wanted to call it "amnesty". That is a statement of ignorance of the issue as the issue is far more complex than that.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/04/donald-trump-what-is-daca-dreamers

Feel free to elaborate on the issue....
 
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Barnacle said:
They're in their 30th and 40th by now, have been in this country illegally for probably more than 20 years, know how to apply for free education, maybe even a job, healthcare benefits and some snap and other welfare programs ... but don't know how to apply for a green card.
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Immigrants who first don't apply for a Visa, cannot apply for a green card. In other words, undocumented immigrants cannot obtain a green card.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Immigrants who first don't apply for a Visa, cannot apply for a green card. In other words, undocumented immigrants cannot obtain a green card.
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Well, ain't that funny.

An "undocumented immigrant" can get school/college education in the US of A, a job (if they wish to), welfare programs, free medical coverage ... but can't apply for a Visa to obtain a green card ...

And liberals encouraged that ... :lamo
 
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