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Jared kushner will be interviewed by senate judiciary committee for trump-russia investigation

JacksinPA said:
So why is Trump obviously fixated on there being 'no collusion'? What's he hiding?
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Lets turn that around, why are you liberals so fixated that there is "collusion" you have zero proof that there is after all the investigations and Mueller having nothing. All you liberals are going to look "stupid" when Mueller announces there is no collusion.
 
Fletch said:
No, they did something worse. They used it to surveil their political opponents campaign.
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No proof that surveillance was illegal- you referring to Page?
 
Born Free said:
Lets turn that around, why are you liberals so fixated that there is "collusion" you have zero proof that there is after all the investigations and Mueller having nothing. All you liberals are going to look "stupid" when Mueller announces there is no collusion.
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The point is again why Trump keeps bringing up 'no collusion' when he's not even asked about it. He's got a mania about collusion. Wonder why?
 
JacksinPA said:
The point is again why Trump keeps bringing up 'no collusion' when he's not even asked about it. He's got a mania about collusion. Wonder why?
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Because people,like you keep reappearing it.
Collusion isn't a crime except in the case of anti-trust situations.

No evidence of russia connection
No evidence of obstruction.

You guys are just desperate.

Pretty much the top level of TDS.
 
Born Free said:
Lets turn that around, why are you liberals so fixated that there is "collusion" you have zero proof that there is after all the investigations and Mueller having nothing. All you liberals are going to look "stupid" when Mueller announces there is no collusion.
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Recall those time Trump, Mantafort, the Trump sons denied any contact with Russians, and even Sessions denied any contact between the campaign and Russians. Has anyone informed you yet, they were all lies or are you stuck in Jun 2016?
 
JacksinPA said:
The point is again why Trump keeps bringing up 'no collusion' when he's not even asked about it. He's got a mania about collusion. Wonder why?
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I've asked that myself from time to time.

There are two proposed answers and one of them needs to look inside his head. Stating there, this ego has so much bull**** out there about the id, that intense focus or stress can stretch that relationship; that by repeating over and over again the more "disputed" facts about him, he is reinforcing the imaginary glue holding all the lies together - note, he STILL tells visitors HIS was the largest inauguration in history. He has to repeat the lie to himself so HE can believe it.

The second is less fancy. It's propaganda; repeated enough times it becomes true. In his brand of honesty "no collusion" means there was nothing there within Mueller's mandate as Trump understands it.

My view is increasingly that he is not a very smart man, that complex matters become a swamp in his head. In that very limited intelligence he is becoming more and more frustrated. I recall during the election he said "those things are going to change when I take over." "Take over" is out of the normal political range of how leaders usually talk and is more appropriate from the mouths of South American strong men and mafia Dons.

I don't think he even understands NOW that his job is to lead, to get people to agree among themselves, to convince and unite. I think he dreamed he would be a dictator
 
JacksinPA said:
Putin is old line Soviet/KGB. He will eat Trump (& us) for lunch.
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As silly as we here in America are acting, we are going to eat ourselves.
We can’t even call a boy a boy and a girl a girl anymore, we are loosing it as a nation, liberals are bringing us down with stupid crap like that.


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MrShangles said:
As silly as we here in America are acting, we are going to eat ourselves.
We can’t even call a boy a boy and a girl a girl anymore, we are loosing it as a nation, liberals are bringing us down with stupid crap like that.


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I see. When all else fails, blame it on the liberals. Smart!
 
Born Free said:
Lets turn that around, why are you liberals so fixated that there is "collusion" you have zero proof that there is after all the investigations and Mueller having nothing. All you liberals are going to look "stupid" when Mueller announces there is no collusion.
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It is Trump who brings up 'no collusion' several times in each run-on sentence wiithout even being asked about it. It's like he has this manic obsession about 'no collusion'. I wonder why.
 
ludin said:
Not really.

The NY AG has 0 authority in a federal case.
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Uh...Kushner & his business are in NYC last I looked. The NY AG can bring a state case for things like obstruction, money laundering, making false statements, etc.
 
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ludin said:
Because people,like you keep reappearing it.
Collusion isn't a crime except in the case of anti-trust situations.

No evidence of russia connection
No evidence of obstruction.

You guys are just desperate.

Pretty much the top level of TDS.
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I don't concern myself with collusion because it is not a crime. The real crime here is obstruction of justice.

Obstruction of justice

Obstruction of justice is defined in the omnibus clause of 18 U.S.C. § 1503, which provides that "whoever . . . . corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense)." Persons are charged under this statute based on allegations that a defendant intended to intefere with an official proceeding, by doing things such as destroying evidence, or intefering with the duties of jurors or court officers.

A person obstructs justice when they have a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, they must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but the person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a nexus between the defendant’s endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the defendant must have knowledge of this nexus.

Trump obstructed justice when he asked Comey to let the Flynn investigation 'go', again when he fired Comey when he refused to do so. And Grassley is likewise guilty of this for impeding the Russia investigation in hopes of protecting Trump.
 
JacksinPA said:
Uh...Kushner & his business are in NYC last I looked. The NY AG can bring a state case for things like obstruction, money laundering, making false statements, etc.
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Not on a federal issue he can't.
Stop making stuff up.
 
JacksinPA said:
I don't concern myself with collusion because it is not a crime. The real crime here is obstruction of justice.

Obstruction of justice

Obstruction of justice is defined in the omnibus clause of 18 U.S.C. § 1503, which provides that "whoever . . . . corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense)." Persons are charged under this statute based on allegations that a defendant intended to intefere with an official proceeding, by doing things such as destroying evidence, or intefering with the duties of jurors or court officers.

A person obstructs justice when they have a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, they must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but the person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a nexus between the defendant’s endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the defendant must have knowledge of this nexus.

Trump obstructed justice when he asked Comey to let the Flynn investigation 'go', again when he fired Comey when he refused to do so. And Grassley is likewise guilty of this for impeding the Russia investigation in hopes of protecting Trump.
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Actually he didn't. Asking to let it go does not constitute obstruction. His has been pointed out to you time and time again.
He could have ordered comey to stop the investigation completely and it wouldn't have been obstruction.

Why? He has the power to do it. He power to prosecute or not comes from the presidency.

He didn't fire comey over that. Comey can be fired for any reason at any time. He worked solely at the discretion of the president.
Comey admitted in open court that he was not pressured to end the investigation.

If that is obstruction then why was lynch and obama not brought up on obstruction charges.
Obama came out in public and stated that he didn't want to see clinton charged.
Lynch told comey to not even call it an investigation.

Let's see if you are consistent or just partisan.
i bet you are just partisan.
 
ludin said:
Not on a federal issue he can't.
Stop making stuff up.
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If it's a crime under NY State law, he's free to go after it even if it was also a Federal crime that he was pardoned for. Federal pardons only pertain to Federal crimes.
 
JacksinPA said:
If it's a crime under NY State law, he's free to go after it even if it was also a Federal crime that he was pardoned for.
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1. He would have to commit the crime in NY.
2. He would have had to lie to a state agency.
3. He would have had to obstruct a NY investigation in some way. The Feds in NY would not apply.

You have nothing to suggest any of this. Your TDS is out of control and you can't get it in check.
 
ludin said:
1. He would have to commit the crime in NY.
2. He would have had to lie to a state agency.
3. He would have had to obstruct a NY investigation in some way. The Feds in NY would not apply.

You have nothing to suggest any of this. Your TDS is out of control and you can't get it in check.
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You're wrong again. States could bring these charges if Trump tries to pardon his way out of the Mueller probe.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/manafort-mueller-probe-attorney-general-242191

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...xtend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.2c3108689b3a

Trump and Manafort get big reminder that pardon power does not extend to state crimes

And Kushner's money laundering & conspiracy & obstruction charges likely are all based in NYC, as are Manafort's.
 
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JacksinPA said:
Trump keeps shouting 'no collusion' so often, even when not asked about it, that you have to realize it is his private skeleton in the closet. Even he has a conscience, even if it has been getting progressively senile. The fact that there was collusion is eating at him because he doesn't want to go down in history with an asterisk after his name in the list of U.S. presidents as having been elected illegitimately.
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"Officer, I am telling you I wasn't driving too fast and there is nothing to see in my trunk"...
 
JacksinPA said:
You're wrong again. States could bring these charges if Trump tries to pardon his way out of the Mueller probe.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/manafort-mueller-probe-attorney-general-242191

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...xtend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.2c3108689b3a

Trump and Manafort get big reminder that pardon power does not extend to state crimes

And Kushner's money laundering & conspiracy & obstruction charges likely are all based in NYC, as are Manafort's.
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No wonder you are confused about facts you are reading slate. That will rot your brain.

Frankly your posts are conjecture no evidence.
Again a sign that your TDS is at critical levels.
You also didn't read my post very well.

You should try doing that it will help you a great deal.
 
ludin said:
1. He would have to commit the crime in NY.
2. He would have had to lie to a state agency.
3. He would have had to obstruct a NY investigation in some way. The Feds in NY would not apply.

You have nothing to suggest any of this. Your TDS is out of control and you can't get it in check.
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Trump tower is in NY, just saying.
 
JacksinPA said:
The dossier has been found to be substantially correct in all its claims. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...testimony-on-trump-dossier-by-fusion-gps-head

You can just keep on being delusional but your happy thoughts won't change the ugly truth.
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From your own article:

"The dossier, with its unverified and in some places salacious allegations"

The article goes on to point out that your verification is, wait for it, Simpson himself...lol

What a joke.

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RAMOSS said:
Trump tower is in NY, just saying.
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Mueller early on met with the NY AG to set this reciprocal prosecution in motion in order to get around any Trump pardons. They are routinely sharing information that would support those possible prosecutions. The Trump crime family must not be allowed to get away with their corruption.
 
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