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A bipartisan group of senators has reached an immigration deal

tres borrachos said:
Yup. Trump shot it down because it involved "****hole" countries (see other thread I just started).

I still want to know why Mexico wasn't in that meeting on Tuesday, since they're paying for the wall and all. Don't they have a say in this?
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That right there would have ended any other presidency. Yet it's probably not even the most horrendous thing he's said today.
 
I'd like to know who these three Republicans are who came up with this supposed agreement,
I'd bet that all three have bashed Trump in the past and probably voted against him on election
day or did't vote at all.

Democrats will have to concede on many more points as they don't have a lightweight like
Bush #2 who gave up the house on immigration & still failed.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I do not have to accept the demorats position as logical. The demorats were perfectly happy to not shut down the government before DACA was dreamed up.
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You're right about that. But that can of worms is opened now.
 
humbolt said:
If the democrats want to shut down the government, that's fine with me. Do it. Have a tantrum. It's worked out so well for the republicans in the past.
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You're correct. Republicans solidified control of Congress after they did that.

Incidentally, they also won control of the presidency after stonewalling a supreme court nominee for 11 months.

You'd better hope Dems don't take control in 2019.
 
slick said:
I'd like to know who these three Republicans are who came up with this supposed agreement,
I'd bet that all three have bashed Trump in the past and probably voted against him on election
day or did't vote at all.

Democrats will have to concede on many more points as they don't have a lightweight like
Bush #2 who gave up the house on immigration & still failed.
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All you had to do was read the article. It listed them in the first four (short) paragraphs.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Odd that the portion of this silly wall which was covered in the bill signed by GWB was never funded. Why was that? Who had the purse and made that choice??? Why???
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This is why the only thing that can be trusted in a so called comprehensive immigration bill that illegals will get amnesty or some sort of other permanent legal status.Any so called comprehensive immigration reform bill is a bad deal because the part that the pro-Amnesty side wants will never be taken away while the part the illegal immigration opponents want can be taken away at any time or just straight up ignored.
 
Gaea said:
You're correct. Republicans solidified control of Congress after they did that.
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Shutting down the government wasn't the reason they solidified control of congress.

Incidentally, they also won control of the presidency after stonewalling a supreme court nominee for 11 months.
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Yup, and it started raining right after I laced my boots up this morning. The SC was an issue, but only one of many.

You'd better hope Dems don't take control in 2019.
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I'm not worried one way or the other.
 
ludin said:
An actual good bill.
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How would this good bill prevent the next president from issuing his own DACA?

How would this good bill prevent politicians from taking back all the enforcement measures once the illegals got their legalization?

How will this good bill prevent the next president from appointing illegal alien ass kissers in charge of various government agencies in order to undermine our immigration laws?

How will this bill prevent another amnesty, DACA,DAPA or anything that allows people who took a **** our immigration laws and sovereignty to stay the country?
 
Beaudreaux said:
The Democrats controlled the US House of Representatives, and the Constitution requires all revenue bills to originate in the House. No funding bills were ever allowed to pass the House regarding the remainder of the promises that Congress made to Reagan, and therefore the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) was nothing more than an amnesty bill to increase the rolls of the Democratic Party.

It pissed me off then, and it pisses me off now.

I'm not against DACA, if Congress will fund real border protections. I'm not against legalized status (get at the back of the line for citizenship though) for the illegal immigrants that are here and work hard everyday supporting their families. In fact, I completely support anyone that wants to become a US citizen and is willing to work and become and a meaningful contributing member of our society.

However, without secure and controlled borders, we can't afford the costs of social safety nets, nor can we be a sovereign nation.
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I was talking about the 700 mile section approved when GWB was president. Repubs have had the house most of the time since then.

I case you forgot, there was a time when the repub party wanted to open up that border and make really friendly with Mexico. And that was about getting latino voters for the repubs (a Rove/GWB idea). Then 9/11 happened.

Sorry - no time to find a better source:
Bush Seeks Unlimited Immigration And Amnesty For Illegals

BTW, I agree with most of your post, but I don't think Trump's "big, beautiful wall" would be a cost effective solution to people and goods making it illegally in/out of this country on the southern side. Parts of it, yes, much of it, no.

It's not like the US gov. owns all of that land. There will never be a "Great Wall of America" end-to-end on our southern border, let alone one paid for by Mexico the way Trump promised.
 
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azgreg said:
That right there would have ended any other presidency. Yet it's probably not even the most horrendous thing he's said today.
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I think we should have let him take the IQ test when he challenged Tillerson calling him a moron, like he offered.
 
jamesrage said:
Family values says don't fall for the same **** twice.
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"Family values" says read your damn Bible.

Exodus 22:21: "Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt."

Leviticus 19:33-34: "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Matthew 25:35: "...I was a stranger and you invited me in."
 
azgreg said:
All you had to do was read the article. It listed them in the first four (short) paragraphs.
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Linsey Gramnesty, Flake & Gardner not really a group representing the base of the party who elected Trump. They're allied policy wise
to the likes of Anna Navarro, Nicole Wallace & Steve Schmidt who keep the Republican mantle while hating the policies of the leader
of their supposed party while people they identified with & worked for Jeb, Rubio, Romney & McCain were tossed
aside in quest of the same office Trump holds.

And of course they are on the same side as the democrats when it comes to immigration. The immigration policies of the last 50 years
is why this country is so polarized today. The former democratic senator from 'NY Moynahan noted the remarkable blindness
of foreign policy scholars to the power of ethno-nationalisn in our time.' A generation later Trump is the first politician since then
to be aware of that indisputable fact.
 
they'll probably trade building part of the Great Wall of Derp for DACA renewal.
 
azgreg said:
That right there would have ended any other presidency. Yet it's probably not even the most horrendous thing he's said today.
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Get real. Shoot Andrew Jackson severly beat up a heckler during his presidency.
 
azgreg said:
That right there would have ended any other presidency. Yet it's probably not even the most horrendous thing he's said today.
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There are still 5 hours left in the day here on the East Coast. Give him time. He'll take his iPhone when he goes to sit on the potty and Tweet something even worse out.

But yeah, what he said was horrific. Absolutely horrific. But his loyal fans ate it up. He speaks for them.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yup. Trump shot it down because it involved "****hole" countries (see other thread I just started).

I still want to know why Mexico wasn't in that meeting on Tuesday, since they're paying for the wall and all. Don't they have a say in this?
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Finished watching a recording, and listening now.
 
Gaea said:
Agreed. I also don't think it hurt them.
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Short term, it did. Long term, not so much. If the democrats want to position themselves well for 2018, I don't think this will help them. I believe most of the country would like to allow these people to stay, but it looks like democrats won't take "yes" for an answer. There are related issues, and DACA will not happen without addressing them as well. There's a history here, as some others have pointed out, and it's highly unlikely that much will advance without a compromise. Nobody is going to get everything they want, but everybody should get something they want. So if democrats want to go to the mat over DACA alone, I'd say they're going to come out on the losing side of things. There isn't going to be a "clean" bill.
 
slick said:
Linsey Gramnesty, Flake & Gardner not really a group representing the base of the party who elected Trump. They're allied policy wise
to the likes of Anna Navarro, Nicole Wallace & Steve Schmidt who keep the Republican mantle while hating the policies of the leader
of their supposed party while people they identified with & worked for Jeb, Rubio, Romney & McCain were tossed
aside in quest of the same office Trump holds.

And of course they are on the same side as the democrats when it comes to immigration. The immigration policies of the last 50 years
is why this country is so polarized today. The former democratic senator from 'NY Moynahan noted the remarkable blindness
of foreign policy scholars to the power of ethno-nationalisn in our time.' A generation later Trump is the first politician since then
to be aware of that indisputable fact.
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No. Pat Buchanan beat that drum many times before, and far more eloquently. They just needed to hear Trump's 4th grader version of the ideas before it would sink in, or maybe they needed to be screwed by the repubs for another decade or 2.
 
Phys251 said:
"Family values" says read your damn Bible.

Exodus 22:21: "Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt."

Leviticus 19:33-34: "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Matthew 25:35: "...I was a stranger and you invited me in."
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You do know that in those situations the Jews were invited.They were not illegal immigrants.
 
jamesrage said:
You do know that in those situations the Jews were invited.They were not illegal immigrants.
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HAHAHAHA riiiiiggghhhtt, the Bible says that Egypt treated the Jews with such respect and dignity! :lamo
 
Phys251 said:
HAHAHAHA riiiiiggghhhtt, the Bible says that Egypt treated the Jews with such respect and dignity! :lamo
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They were welcomed and generations later ended up as slaves.Doesn't change the fact they were talking about people who were allowed in the country.
 
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