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Manafort sues Mueller, Justice Department over Russia probe

Hawkeye10 said:
Gaining our day in court when we believe the justice system has treated us unjustly is not desperation, it is one of our most basic rights. There is no shame or anything else wrong with seeking justice, this is what the better men do.
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Manafort is not a better man. It is likely he indirectly has blood on his hands and has broken multiple laws in multiple countries. Just because he got away with them at the time, does not mean he gets a get out of jail free card now.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-justice-department-over-russia-probe-n834431

He should be right, and he might find a judge to rule in his favor, but the work of THE HATCHET MAN (My term for Mueller..which I claim is the real job he was hired to do)) will not be impeded by those lower judges I spect, and I cant imagine SCOTUS getting in his way now that they are primarily a political body rather than a legal body.
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This is what's known as a 'publicity stunt'. It's not meant to be taken seriously.
 
ludin said:
Not really. There is nothing there.

Mueller?s probe doesn't end with a bang, but with a whimper | TheHill
It has been a year and nothing has been found.

ThIs poor attempt to unseat a duly elected president has to stop.
The FBI is already embarrassed enough over the new findings of the clinton emails.
They really should stop while they have some credibility left.
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Really? It took ken star 2 1/2 years to find a stain on a blue dress.

Show some patients, my feeling is that the corruption being uncovered runs so deep and wide that there are so many multiple changes it will take years.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-justice-department-over-russia-probe-n834431

He should be right, and he might find a judge to rule in his favor, but the work of THE HATCHET MAN (My term for Mueller..which I claim is the real job he was hired to do)) will not be impeded by those lower judges I spect, and I cant imagine SCOTUS getting in his way now that they are primarily a political body rather than a legal body.
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Someone should get disbarred for that.

Seems good.
 
Eh, this will probably get tossed aside.

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Verax said:
I seem to remember dozens of tweets straight from the Donald's mouth saying exactly that.
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That you could ONLY trust the POTUS? That would be a good one if he said that xD
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Doing justice correctly, attempting to do justice, is about us. Surely Mannafort can be rung up with dozens of crimes, but so can so many others, because what he did is common, and is rarely/never prosecuted...... it is only because someone is after Trumps scalp that this happened to Mannafort, and that aint justice.
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Agreed. Add to that:
We cannot forget that Huma Abedin may have committed the same crime as the one Flynn pleaded guilty to — lying to the FBI — yet, somehow, the FBI chose not to prosecute Abedin or perhaps others, like former Clinton adviser and legal counsel Cheryl Mills. So, is justice truly blind and evenhanded in America today?
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If Flynn spends one day in jail, it will be a miscarriage of justice. We would do well to remember the precedent the Department of Justice set with the case of President Bill Clinton's former national security adviser, Sandy Berger, who stole classified documents from the National Archives, by stuffing them into his clothing and socks, then destroyed them before lying to federal agents about it. For that he got a $50,000 fine and was stripped of his security clearance.
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from a link posted in #21

Just when I'm on board with what Mueller and the crew are doing, I read that crap. Hypocrisy pushes me to argue for the unfairly targeted. If you are going to apply the law, you should do so equally, or all it does look like a witch hunt.
 
Verax said:
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I don't get it, but that owl sure is cute!
 
Verax said:
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I dont think the FBI under Obama was tainted, more like led by corrupt partisans who through their own selfish actions caused significant damage to the agency's reputation. Comey did considerable damage to the agency's reputation, and that meeting in " Andy's office " sure didn't help matters

Obama's DOJ ? Tainted hardly describes it. Try totally corrupted. Under Holder, the Obama DOJ named a American journalist ( James Rosen ) as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage Act so they could hack into his phone records and emails and hacked in to the phone records of 20 AP Journalist from the AP.
In September of 2016, the NSD, or the National Security Division of the DOJ admitted to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) they had been conducting illegal upstream searches for the last 6 YEARS and had vastly under reported the number of violations. Here's a link to FISA's ruling

https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies

And who can forget the tarmac meeting ? Apparently the FBI was far more concerned with locating the reporter that broke the story than they were about the glaring ethical implications of the meeting itself

New documents reveal FBI's Clinton cover-up | Fox News

The Media ? Not the enemy of-course, but their own worst enemy.

ABC News suspends Brian Ross for 4 weeks over erroneous Flynn story
ABC News suspends Brian Ross for 4 weeks over erroneous Flynn story - Dec. 2, 2017
 
reinoe said:
So he met with the FBI and Justice Department then, they gave him the OK, and then decided to turn around and prosecute him. Reminds me of when Jeff Sessions got advice from the FBI about how to disclose his meetings with Russians, they advised him that he didn't have to disclose, and then they retroactively leaked info so that he'd recuse himself.
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When Ken Starr was appointed special prosecutor to investigate Whitewater, he was given exactly the same instructions, which was to also investigate anything arising out of that investigation. This eventually led to Monica Lewinski. If you are attempting to shovel an argument that what was OK for Clinton is not OK for any member of the Trump team, then your slip is showing, and "political hackery" and "dishonesty" are embroidered on it in huge red letters.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-justice-department-over-russia-probe-n834431

He should be right, and he might find a judge to rule in his favor, but the work of THE HATCHET MAN (My term for Mueller..which I claim is the real job he was hired to do)) will not be impeded by those lower judges I spect, and I cant imagine SCOTUS getting in his way now that they are primarily a political body rather than a legal body.
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So now Manafort is right, even though Trump claimed he was barely involved in the campaign?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"Money laundering and tax evasion, who does that?"

Surely you jest, do you really have no clue how corrupt America is now?
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Sure, I recognize that there are lots of corrupt people, especially those with money and power, but what I am baffled about is you're defending them and effectively claiming they shouldn't be held accountable for BEING corrupt. Your defense of Manafort is something like "they all do it so it's NOT FAIR!! to prosecute poor Manafort" which is in my view BS. I wish we'd get more of them, but I sure wouldn't ever argue that those who do manage to get caught should be immune just because some other guy got away with it. You wouldn't get a pass, nor would I, so why should Manafort get a pass based on a technicality?
 
rocket88 said:
So now Manafort is right, even though Trump claimed he was barely involved in the campaign?
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Since the coffee boy spot was already taken by Papadopoulos and Bannon, Manfort was merely the coke boy.
 
JasperL said:
The guy got caught violating a slew of laws, and now his defense is the body that investigated him doesn't have the authority to do so. Good luck with that argument, I guess, but it's hard to imagine how Mueller could look into ties between senior members of the campaign with Russia, Russia collusion, etc. without, as step 1 or 2 of 100 or more, following the money trail, and that trail led straight to the crimes he's charged with. It's not like he's been charged with cavorting with prostitutes or having consensual sex with an underling or something, but having large and very significant financial ties with the country that allegedly tried to influence our election.

If anything, looks like he's trying to build a case for a possible Trump pardon, by spreading the idea in public than his prosecution is somehow illegitimate. It might work with Trump lemmings, but not with anyone else I suspect.
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Its not a crime to have financial ties with foreigners.

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ludin said:
This will be interesting.
It is going to depend on the judge.

People have said muller was going outside the scope of his investigation and so do a lot of other people.
It is just how far will the court allow him to go.

If he the state department cpgave him clearance in 2014 then nothin he did was illegal for 2016.
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A good investigator will follow wherever the evidence takes them. "Beyond the scope" be damned. Leave no stone un-turned.
 
danarhea said:
When Ken Starr was appointed special prosecutor to investigate Whitewater, he was given exactly the same instructions, which was to also investigate anything arising out of that investigation. This eventually led to Monica Lewinski. If you are attempting to shovel an argument that what was OK for Clinton is not OK for any member of the Trump team, then your slip is showing, and "political hackery" and "dishonesty" are embroidered on it in huge red letters.
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It's just the same double standards they practice everywhere else.
 
JasperL said:
Correct! And........? That is not the crime he's charged with. :doh
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Congratulations on figuring it out because you either did not know that earlier or you were being disceptive in the post I was responding to.

JasperL said:
The guy got caught violating a slew of laws, and now his defense is the body that investigated him doesn't have the authority to do so. Good luck with that argument, I guess, but it's hard to imagine how Mueller could look into ties between senior members of the campaign with Russia, Russia collusion, etc. without, as step 1 or 2 of 100 or more, following the money trail, and that trail led straight to the crimes he's charged with. It's not like he's been charged with cavorting with prostitutes or having consensual sex with an underling or something, but having large and very significant financial ties with the country that allegedly tried to influence our election.

If anything, looks like he's trying to build a case for a possible Trump pardon, by spreading the idea in public than his prosecution is somehow illegitimate. It might work with Trump lemmings, but not with anyone else I suspect.
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The crime he is charged with has to do with supplying the FBI with incorrect information. It could be as innocent as forgetting something or as sinister as trying to hide it. Either way it is a crime. This kind of stuff is why people should never cooperate with investigations. Let them do their own work, don't do it for them.


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Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-justice-department-over-russia-probe-n834431

He should be right, and he might find a judge to rule in his favor, but the work of THE HATCHET MAN (My term for Mueller..which I claim is the real job he was hired to do)) will not be impeded by those lower judges I spect, and I cant imagine SCOTUS getting in his way now that they are primarily a political body rather than a legal body.
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I love it when those guilty of crimes whine about how they were caught. If he thinks this will work out well for him he is going to be very disappointed.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-justice-department-over-russia-probe-n834431

He should be right, and he might find a judge to rule in his favor, but the work of THE HATCHET MAN (My term for Mueller..which I claim is the real job he was hired to do)) will not be impeded by those lower judges I spect, and I cant imagine SCOTUS getting in his way now that they are primarily a political body rather than a legal body.
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Bold strategy. Try to sue AFTER you admitted guilt and signed a plea deal. Let's see how it goes lol.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-justice-department-over-russia-probe-n834431

He should be right, and he might find a judge to rule in his favor, but the work of THE HATCHET MAN (My term for Mueller..which I claim is the real job he was hired to do)) will not be impeded by those lower judges I spect, and I cant imagine SCOTUS getting in his way now that they are primarily a political body rather than a legal body.
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Where I would normally be somewhat reticent to agree with someone like Manafort. From the information we are being given, he seems to have an actual case against Mueller. Though some reaching will have to be made for a few claims, it wouldn't be very far off from what many of the DNC and other RNC members have had to pull over the course of the last decade.

It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
 
Verax said:
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You know this is more the DNC's thing right, you have to willingly tune into Twitter. While the democrats are far more willing to cram their agenda down your throat.

So your barking up the wrong social media tree with this stupidity.
 
Is "All your POTUS are belong to us" too old of a meme to start throwing around in 2018?
 
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