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    New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Observant Jews and Muslims follow religious laws that dictate that they eat the meat of animals that have been slaughtered according to strict rules, including that the animals are conscious and healthy when their throats are cut. Animal rights activists say the practice causes unnecessary suffering.
    There is only one slaughterhouse in the Netherlands where meat is slaughtered for kosher consumption, and that is done only one day a week.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/31/w...al-rights.html

    War on religion? Do you think they will try to regulate small farms as well?

    I believe this is the war on religion and that these actions will be coming to America.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/31/w...al-rights.html

    War on religion? Do you think they will try to regulate small farms as well?

    I believe this is the war on religion and that these actions will be coming to America.
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    Of the 500 million animals slaughtered every year for consumption in the Netherlands only 3,000 are for kosher meat.
    This isn’t even about religious freedom it’s just straight up anti-Semitism

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    War on religion would be to pass laws that intend to specifically place a tougher standard on religious people than others. Holding them to the exact same standard as everyone else is not war on religion. It is just refusing to give them special treatment.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/31/w...al-rights.html

    War on religion? Do you think they will try to regulate small farms as well?

    I believe this is the war on religion and that these actions will be coming to America.
    The Jews are a small minority that is easily suppressed. The Dutch have done it before. At present the Jews can probably get kosher meat from Germany, though. I wouldn't expect civil resistance. As to the Muslims, that could be more interesting.

    As to America, I would say it already is being introduced in related areas like abortion and et alias the baker crushed by gays.

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    War on religion would be to pass laws that intend to specifically place a tougher standard on religious people than others. Holding them to the exact same standard as everyone else is not war on religion. It is just refusing to give them special treatment.
    The burden could also be such that it was only a burden to those whose religions considered it so. Forbidding head scarves or burkas does not impose on Catholics for instance.

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

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    This isn’t even about religious freedom it’s just straight up anti-Semitism
    I see great potential for kosher and hallal meat packing operations in the middle east.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Screw the religious. They need to grow up and deal with reality.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Screw the religious. They need to grow up and deal with reality.
    This is the exactly bigotry the OP is warning of

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The burden could also be such that it was only a burden to those whose religions considered it so. Forbidding head scarves or burkas does not impose on Catholics for instance.
    But specifically banning burkas or habits is an obvious targeting of them. But if you pass a law for security reasons that says you can’t cover your face in public so as to conceal your identity, then that isn’t targeting religions even though it would affect some religions more than others.

    I think laws should be passed with no consideration of religions whatsoever. Is there a real need for a given law? If there is, then pass it. If a particular act is innocuous enough that you would allow a particular special interest group to keep doing it, then it shouldn’t be illegal in the first place.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    This is the exactly bigotry the OP is warning of
    No, it's expecting people to be smarter than they have been in the past. It's expecting adults to grow up. Time to get out of the bronze age.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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