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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The Jews are a small minority that is easily suppressed. The Dutch have done it before. At present the Jews can probably get kosher meat from Germany, though. I wouldn't expect civil resistance. As to the Muslims, that could be more interesting.

    As to America, I would say it already is being introduced in related areas like abortion and et alias the baker crushed by gays.
    They ended the export of Kosher meat. Probably wouldn't be to hard to end the import.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    I don't think it's a war on religion at all but that also doesn't mean I support it either. Based on the article if kosher is " animals are conscious and healthy" I guess my question is how are 100s of millions of animals slaughtered. Im sure its not a matter of "healthy" but its a matter of "conscious" . .

    That really doesn't bother me either way if they are or aren't conscious but if that's the sticking point I certainly don;t see that as a war on religion, it simply a disagreement between animal activists and people who don't really care. So IMO if somebody wants to have a farm that does it to conscious animals that is fine by me but nobody should be forced to do so or forced not to do so unless some other rational argument can be made?

    Is there a rational argument to not allow the animals to be conscious?

    Their argument is animal cruelty.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Perhaps telling Muslim men that they're not allowed to beat their wives despite what God tells them in verse 4:32 of the Qur'an is also a war on religion.
    See something, say something, get called an Islamophobe.

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    War on religion would be to pass laws that intend to specifically place a tougher standard on religious people than others. Holding them to the exact same standard as everyone else is not war on religion. It is just refusing to give them special treatment.
    They are changing the standard to what they want. Who is to say whose standard is correct?
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    Perhaps telling Muslim men that they're not allowed to beat their wives despite what God tells them in verse 4:32 of the Qur'an is also a war on religion.
    Women are equivalent to animals in your opinion?
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Screw the religious. They need to grow up and deal with reality.
    As long as religion does not cloud up and control their lives, it's fine to be religious.

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Adults having imaginary friends are idiots.
    So, you're smarter than people who believe in God?
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it's expecting people to be smarter than they have been in the past. It's expecting adults to grow up. Time to get out of the bronze age.
    Truth is -- it's time to stop eating meat whatsoever.

    This latest move is one that is supposed to curtail animal cruelty, but it wont. The cruelty level in standard animal husbandry is greater than kosher slaughter. Kosher slaughter is pretty painless. The knives used are razor sharp and bleeding out isn't painful. A bolt through the head -- a slip of a knife to the carotid -- not really much difference at all.

    What happens before is what determines an animal's life and if it's been cruel.

    Leonardo Divinci felt we would move beyond meat-eating sooner than we have -- but while we're still locked in that antiquated (and barbaric) tradition, it seems odd that we should fight between two methods, trying to figure out which is the less barbaric. It's all barbaric.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    So, you're smarter than people who believe in God?
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Not special treatment, protection from infringement. Are you seriously so ignorant of history to not understand why the freedom to practice religion is important?

    As to the specific law, Skeptic Bob said it best
    Yeah! Screw those animals having their throats cut and hung there to bleed out, when there are more humane ways of killing them.
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