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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

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    No, it's expecting people to be smarter than they have been in the past. It's expecting adults to grow up. Time to get out of the bronze age.
    Well you are clearly still in it with your backwards attitude

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Well you are clearly still in it with your backwards attitude
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    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    This is the exactly bigotry the OP is warning of
    Why should religious beliefs get people special treatment? Why does having certain beliefs exempt you from the rules the rest of society must follow?
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Why should religious beliefs get people special treatment?
    Not special treatment, protection from infringement. Are you seriously so ignorant of history to not understand why the freedom to practice religion is important?

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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Not special treatment, protection from infringement. Are you seriously so ignorant of history to not understand why the freedom to practice religion is important?

    As to the specific law, Skeptic Bob said it best
    If a muslim woman can have her drivers license picture wearing a burka, then I can too. Or maybe a ski mask. Depends on the weather. There is a point where a religion and a free society meet. The free society cannot possibly accommodate all religions so at the juncture, which is sometimes kind of fuzzy, free society wins.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Not special treatment, protection from infringement. Are you seriously so ignorant of history to not understand why the freedom to practice religion is important?

    As to the specific law, Skeptic Bob said it best
    It is special treatment. You have the right to practice your religion within the the laws of society, your religion does not exempt you from society's rules. Is a law forbidding the removal of children form education before 16 also anti-semitism because it infringes on the beliefs of ultra-Orthodox Jews?
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by trblmkr View Post
    If a muslim woman can have her drivers license picture wearing a burka, then I can too. Or maybe a ski mask. Depends on the weather. There is a point where a religion and a free society meet. The free society cannot possibly accommodate all religions so at the juncture, which is sometimes kind of fuzzy, free society wins.
    I can offer a 20-year-old eye witness account. When I was getting my Egyptian driver's license in 1997, the woman behind me had to remove her face covering for her photo. Apparently the rule of law can trump religion, even in a majority Muslim country.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    I can offer a 20-year-old eye witness account. When I was getting my Egyptian driver's license in 1997, the woman behind me had to remove her face covering for her photo. Apparently the rule of law can trump religion, even in a majority Muslim country.
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/31/w...al-rights.html

    War on religion? Do you think they will try to regulate small farms as well?

    I believe this is the war on religion and that these actions will be coming to America.
    I don't think it's a war on religion at all but that also doesn't mean I support it either. Based on the article if kosher is " animals are conscious and healthy" I guess my question is how are 100s of millions of animals slaughtered. Im sure its not a matter of "healthy" but its a matter of "conscious" . .

    That really doesn't bother me either way if they are or aren't conscious but if that's the sticking point I certainly don;t see that as a war on religion, it simply a disagreement between animal activists and people who don't really care. So IMO if somebody wants to have a farm that does it to conscious animals that is fine by me but nobody should be forced to do so or forced not to do so unless some other rational argument can be made?

    Is there a rational argument to not allow the animals to be conscious?
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    Re: New Slaughtering Rules Pit Dutch Religious Freedoms Against Animal Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It is special treatment. You have the right to practice your religion within the the laws of society, your religion does not exempt you from society's rules. Is a law forbidding the removal of children form education before 16 also anti-semitism because it infringes on the beliefs of ultra-Orthodox Jews?
    It could be.
    There are religious conscious exemptions-- the Amish and Quakers are not subject to a draft ( the Amish in Pennsylvania are allowed to remove their children from school at a certain age).

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